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We get it, Kirk Cousins will be the first solidly-decent quarterback in the history of NFL quarterbacks to not have a huge contract offer in free agency because teams are realizing you can't overpay for quarterbacks, especially not one with 2-1 td-turnover ratios and offensive yardage records for his team of the last 3 years.

God damnit when does FA start, tired of this discussion.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189154]We get it, Kirk Cousins will be the first solidly-decent quarterback in the history of NFL quarterbacks to not have a huge contract offer in free agency because teams are realizing you can't overpay for quarterbacks, especially not one with 2-1 td-turnover ratios and offensive yardage records for his team of the last 3 years.



God damnit when does FA start, tired of this discussion.[/QUOTE]


He’ll be lucky to get a vet minimum offer... he may even have to go to the XFL to prove himself

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[quote=MTK;1189156]He’ll be lucky to get a vet minimum offer... he may even have to go to the XFL to prove himself[/quote]

.............or the Arena League.

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Well Joe Thomas is saying he won't go to the Browns.

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[quote=Dan73;1189160]Well Joe Thomas is saying he won't go to the Browns.

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That's surprising, the Browns are a good qb away from being a real contender.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189161]That's surprising, the Browns are a good qb away from being a real contender.[/QUOTE]He was doing a interview on a podcast and said is the Browns will not give him top 5 qb money.

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[quote=Schneed10;1189133]All the rational posters are quieting down and we’re left with Chicken Little SolidSnake, DanHas73ConspiracyTheories, and Oklahoma Redskin Running up his post counts.

[B]Cousins is good, not great[/B]. Someone will overpay because demand outstrips supply of QBs. I’m glad it won’t be us overpaying. Smith at 23M, even minus Fuller, is preferable.[/quote]

Exactly! In 20-20 hindsight the Redskins should have given Cousins 20 mil a year two years ago. Since they didn't and we live in the present Alex at $23.5 mil is better than Kirk at $30 mil.

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[quote=Dan73;1189162]He was doing a interview on a podcast and said is the Browns will not give him top 5 qb money.

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Right, it's gotta be that, and not because the Browns are several years away from contending and it makes much better sense to bring in a rookie qb with the plural first rounders they have and save money while they develop him.

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Good thing Joe Thomas the GM has spoken lol

The only way he would even consider going there is if they offered him insane money

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Kirk is going to the Jets, Vikings are keeping Case most likely and they should hes a decent QB. So really its Jets, Browns or Den.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189164]Right, it's gotta be that, and not because the Browns are several years away from contending and it makes much better sense to bring in a rookie qb with the plural first rounders they have and save money while they develop him.[/QUOTE]Apparently they were not interested in trading for him last year either.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189165]Good thing Joe Thomas the GM has spoken lol

The only way he would even consider going there is if they offered him insane money[/QUOTE]He said he hasn't heard it direct from the front office. Just a sense he is getting. I think they draft Mayfield.

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Joe Thomas needs to shut his mouth and let the GM and staff do the work, now a days these players talk to damn much. Yeah I get that he wants a QB and all that but he didn't have to stay in CLE, He took the $ over winning because multiple teams would have wanted him, but he wanted the 10M this yr which will make him the highest paid Lineman.

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Dang it, we're still three weeks away from free agency! I can't take it anymore! Someone sign Kirk Cousins so we can get started on Alex Smith and how "jacked" he is about playing for the Redskins!

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The Browns attempted to trade significant assets for AJ McCarron last year at the trading deadline, but they filed the paperwork a few minutes after the deadline, so it didn't go through (lol).

But now that McCarron is an unrestricted free agent, it seems logical that they'd be in the mix for him. I mean it's not to say they didn't try to trade for other QBs at the deadline. So I wouldn't think it a certainty that they'll target McCarron as their number one target. But you have to figure he's a thought. Hue Jackson saw enough of him in Cinci, he should have a feel for what he's getting.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189169]Joe Thomas needs to shut his mouth and let the GM and staff do the work, now a days these players talk to damn much. Yeah I get that he wants a QB and all that but he didn't have to stay in CLE, He took the $ over winning because multiple teams would have wanted him, but he wanted the 10M this yr which will make him the highest paid Lineman.[/QUOTE]He may retire this year.

There is an interview where he talks about his loyalty to the Browns.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Joe-Thomas-explains-loyalty-to-the-Browns-115115304[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1189171]The Browns attempted to trade significant assets for AJ McCarron last year at the trading deadline, but they filed the paperwork a few minutes after the deadline, so it didn't go through (lol).

But now that McCarron is an unrestricted free agent, it seems logical that they'd be in the mix for him. I mean it's not to say they didn't try to trade for other QBs at the deadline. So I wouldn't think it a certainty that they'll target McCarron as their number one target. But you have to figure he's a thought. Hue Jackson saw enough of him in Cinci, he should have a feel for what he's getting.[/quote]

And the fact that now, they can sign him out right and not have to worry about trading for him. Might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

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[quote=Schneed10;1189171]The Browns attempted to trade significant assets for AJ McCarron last year at the trading deadline, but they filed the paperwork a few minutes after the deadline, so it didn't go through (lol).

But now that McCarron is an unrestricted free agent, it seems logical that they'd be in the mix for him. I mean it's not to say they didn't try to trade for other QBs at the deadline. So I wouldn't think it a certainty that they'll target McCarron as their number one target. But you have to figure he's a thought. Hue Jackson saw enough of him in Cinci, he should have a feel for what he's getting.[/quote]

AJ is unproven and when he played he didn't exactly light it up but I would sign him to compete with Kizer who I believe hasn't had a fair shot to begin with. The browns dont need a QB taking 30m of the cap from them, they need to load up the roster overall first

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189174]AJ is unproven and when he played he didn't exactly light it up but I would sign him to compete with Kizer who I believe hasn't had a fair shot to begin with. The browns dont need a QB taking 30m of the cap from them, they need to load up the roster overall first[/quote]

Ask me whether I care what you would do.

If they liked McCarron enough before to trade two significant picks, they're sure to like him now that all they have to do is spend money.

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[quote=Schneed10;1189176]Ask me whether I care what you would do.

If they liked McCarron enough before to trade two significant picks, they're sure to like him now that all they have to do is spend money.[/quote]

LOL ok man, apparently u just like the troll game like most of those clowns on Facebook. I forgot u are the GM of the Browns too.

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McCaron never impressed me. They should be thanking themselves for filing the paperwork late lol

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Is it March 7th yet? I want to hibernate like a bear until then.

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If I'm Cleveland I'm taking Barkley at # 1 and Chubb or Fitzpatrick if available at # 4. If not, then draft your favorite QB. If one of those guys is there I'd try to use my assets to get back into the 1st round and get my QB.

Browns need guarantees. Those 3 guys + Nelson seem the closest things to a guarantee.

Chubb and Garrett would be an awesome pass rushing tandem. Fitzpatrick is a leader that can play multiple spots.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189185]If I'm Cleveland I'm taking Barkley at # 1 and Chubb or Fitzpatrick if available at # 4. If not, then draft your favorite QB. If one of those guys is there I'd try to use my assets to get back into the 1st round and get my QB.

Browns need guarantees. Those 3 guys + Nelson seem the closest things to a guarantee.

Chubb and Garrett would be an awesome pass rushing tandem. Fitzpatrick is a leader that can play multiple spots.[/quote]

Since your post isn't really about you-know-who, I'll respond. I think you're right on the money about what the Browns should do.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

I really do hope having a Qb who wants to be here elevates the team.

Hall, the longest tenured player on the roster at the end of the 2017 season, said last week he was unsure if “Kirk wanted to be here” during an exclusive interview with The Sports Capitol.

With no signs of commitment from Cousins, who becomes a free agent without another franchise tag at $34.4 million, Washington struck a deal with Kansas City for Smith in January. The trade cannot be finalized until March 14.

“[Smith] wanted to be here,” Hall said. “When he was in Kansas City he reached out to those guys in Kansas City and told them, ‘Hey, I understand you guys want to move me. Could you try to get me to Washington? I really want to get to Washington.’ For a guy to really want us as a team, as teammates, that means a lot, that means a whole lot where, you know. It felt like Kirk was forced to be here. I wish nothing but the best for him and whatever is next for him, but this organization is doing nothing but going up.”

[url]https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/02/25/deangelo-hall-is-not-sure-kirk-cousins-wanted-to-be-here/[/url]

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[quote=Dan73;1189208]I really do hope having a Qb who wants to be here elevates the team.

Hall, the longest tenured player on the roster at the end of the 2017 season, said last week he was unsure if “Kirk wanted to be here” during an exclusive interview with The Sports Capitol.

With no signs of commitment from Cousins, who becomes a free agent without another franchise tag at $34.4 million, Washington struck a deal with Kansas City for Smith in January. The trade cannot be finalized until March 14.

“[Smith] wanted to be here,” Hall said. “When he was in Kansas City he reached out to those guys in Kansas City and told them, ‘Hey, I understand you guys want to move me. Could you try to get me to Washington? I really want to get to Washington.’ For a guy to really want us as a team, as teammates, that means a lot, that means a whole lot where, you know. It felt like Kirk was forced to be here. I wish nothing but the best for him and whatever is next for him, but this organization is doing nothing but going up.”

[url]https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/02/25/deangelo-hall-is-not-sure-kirk-cousins-wanted-to-be-here/[/url]

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Smith wanting to be here is a very underrated, under appreciated part of this trade.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1189217]Smith wanting to be here is a very underrated, under appreciated part of this trade.[/quote]

Agreed, it was one of the few initial bright spots that I liked. For all his words, Kirk's actions seemed to tell a different story. If he had wanted to be here, a deal would've gotten done.

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[quote=mooby;1189225]Agreed, it was one of the few initial bright spots that I liked. For all his words, Kirk's actions seemed to tell a different story. If he had wanted to be here, a deal would've gotten done.[/quote]

I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.

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He has only played it perfectly if all a team wanted was a lot of yards but no real wins in big games and a Qb that does not elevate the team.

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[quote=Dan73;1189227]He has only played it perfectly if all a team wanted was a lot of yards but no real wins in big games and a Qb that does not elevate the team.

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I'm not sure if I'm just drinking all the recent cool-aide about this subject but I'm more and more thinking the same thing. Top that off with the idea of Tom Brady who just wants to win so badly that he's willing to take a pay cut.

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[QUOTE=rickmmrr;1189228]I'm not sure if I'm just drinking all the recent cool-aide about this subject but I'm more and more thinking the same thing. Top that off with the idea of Tom Brady who just wants to win so badly that he's willing to take a pay cut.[/QUOTE]The thing is this really is recent. There were player complaints last year. Then there was reports of him constantly saying you like that when he made a pass in practice directing it Gruden or Mcloughan

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189230]Then there was reports of him constantly saying you like that when he made a pass in practice directing it Gruden or Mcloughan

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What? Please share a link

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[quote=Giantone;1189226]I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.[/quote]

Go back in time and ask a lot of us if Kirk Cousins should've been signed to a LTD after 2015, and most of us would have said, absolutely, YES! Ask the talking heads and other sports fans from around the league during that point and they would've said, "Kirk hasn't beaten a winning team, hasn't won a playoff game, Kirk Cousins is a stat whore, Cousins is trash."

Go back to after the 2016 season, and a lot of us were saying, "Yes, we didn't make the playoffs but there's two winning seasons in a row, and Kirk proved that 2015 wasn't a fluke for him. So, he deserves to be paid!" However, also remember that during the off season, Kirk's agent said they were not interested in any contract negotiations until Cousins is tagged. That should've been the first sign that Cousins didn't want to be in Washington, and only a tremendous, outlandish contract would keep him here. I also remember hearing little comments (that I honestly didn't believe but now, maybe there was some truth to it) about how Cousins asked for a trade and about how he wasn't signing with Washington while Bruce Allen was in town. I have no idea if any of that was true, but seeing how everything has transpired, I'm not sure I wouldn't believe any of that stuff to be the case.

Having said that, in retrospect, the only chance the Redskins really had of signing Kirk Cousins was back in 2015. His bet on himself in 2016 was to prove he's marketable enough to leave town and make bank. The team did the best thing they could do in the present, which is let Cousins walk and sign Alex Smith. I support them 100% in this venture. Yes, they should've signed him after 2015, because honestly, they had no chance after 2016.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189233]What? Please share a link[/QUOTE]I have seen him yell, 'You like that?!' at [Redskins general manager] Scot McCloughan," El-Bashir said. "He has this fire about him; he's not necessarily the most outspoken leader in that locker room, but he has this smoldering, fiery side to him."

"It goes all the way back into camp down in Richmond," Baker added. "When Kirk was the backup quarterback, he had done something good against the first team, he looked back at Coach Gruden and said, 'You like that! You like that don't you?'"

"And we all would get pissed off, like Kirk would you shut up? You're the backup man, leave us alone, man."

[url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14532867/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-as-happened-nfl[/url]

There was a report of him repeatedly saying how you like me now right at Scot M after the green bay game too.

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I think we’re all familiar with you like that by now. Why is it a negative 2 years after the fact when everyone was loving it back then?? The pile on continues.

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[quote=Dan73;1189238]I have seen him yell, 'You like that?!' at [Redskins general manager] Scot McCloughan," El-Bashir said. "He has this fire about him; he's not necessarily the most outspoken leader in that locker room, but he has this smoldering, fiery side to him."

"It goes all the way back into camp down in Richmond," Baker added. "When Kirk was the backup quarterback, he had done something good against the first team, he looked back at Coach Gruden and said, 'You like that! You like that don't you?'"

"And we all would get pissed off, like Kirk would you shut up? You're the backup man, leave us alone, man."

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14532867/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-as-happened-nfl]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins 'You like that?!' as it happened - NFL[/url]

[B]There was a report of him repeatedly saying how you like me now right at Scot M after the green bay game too.[/B]

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this we've all seen i think in clips online etc -- but the other stuff - i dont really feel its too far fetched. Everybody gets fired up.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189240]I think we’re all familiar with you like that by now. Why is it a negative 2 years after the fact when everyone was loving it back then?? The pile on continues.[/QUOTE]You get excited after one game fine. You do it in practices or at the GM after a game and it begins to show a problem.

Drafting 2 rookie QBs the same year seemed to set this up.

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[quote=Giantone;1189226]I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.[/quote]

I agree he played the FO like a fiddle to get the most money with the least commitment. I agree that the FO had opportunities to go different routes that may or may not have worked. I don't agree with the comment "After what the Skins did to him". Sorry 2 FT and 45M later, with Gruden and SM backing him over RG3, IF he couldn't get past that, that's his issue, not the Skins.

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[quote=Dan73;1189238]I have seen him yell, 'You like that?!' at [Redskins general manager] Scot McCloughan," El-Bashir said. "He has this fire about him; he's not necessarily the most outspoken leader in that locker room, but he has this smoldering, fiery side to him."

"It goes all the way back into camp down in Richmond," Baker added. "When Kirk was the backup quarterback, he had done something good against the first team, he looked back at Coach Gruden and said, 'You like that! You like that don't you?'"

"And we all would get pissed off, like Kirk would you shut up? You're the backup man, leave us alone, man."

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14532867/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-as-happened-nfl]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins 'You like that?!' as it happened - NFL[/url]

There was a report of him repeatedly saying how you like me now right at Scot M after the green bay game too.

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Those are the links I want to see? I remember when the "FANS ALL LOVED IT" but I want to read the links that said he did it all the time during practice as a back up?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189245]I agree he played the FO like a fiddle to get the most money with the least commitment. I agree that the FO had opportunities to go different routes that may or may not have worked. I don't agree with the comment "After what the Skins did to him". Sorry 2 FT and 45M later, with Gruden and SM backing him over RG3, IF he couldn't get past that, that's his issue, not the Skins.[/quote]

He could have had a chance to compete and even be a starter on another team ,instead he had to sit behind RGIII and wait as a player I can see how that would piss him off.