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[quote=30gut;618977]I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.[/quote]

[quote=tryfuhl;619006]Are you his agent?[/quote]

[quote=30gut;619235]Are you a troll?[/quote]

[quote=tryfuhl;619240]Are you mad and have an inflated ego?[/quote]

Are you talking about yourself?
Don't be mad b/c i called you a troll, which is what you are.

HTTR!

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[quote=30gut;619264]Are you talking about yourself?
Don't be mad b/c i called you a troll, which is what you are.

HTTR![/quote]
Apparently you can't handle forums and interaction with people, stick to the paper kid.

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[quote=tryfuhl;619266]Apparently you can't handle forums and interaction with people, stick to the paper kid.[/quote]

I'm going to stop responding to your trolling.
We've sidetracked this thread enough.
And your posts have added nothing to this thread.

In the future you should have something to say about football, then post.

HTTR!

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[quote=30gut;619268]I'm going to stop responding to your trolling.
We've sidetracked this thread enough.
And your posts have added nothing to this thread.

In the future you should have something to say about football, then post.

HTTR![/quote]

Did you just learn that word today?

You conveniently didn't include any of my quotes about his play, you even took part of a post that you quoted out :)

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[quote=30gut;618247]Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him. [/quote]

Anyone watching the Vikes-Pack game?

Because Aikman has twice reaffirmed what Jaws was saying about Aaron Rodgers causing some of the sacks in the 1st Vikings game.

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Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

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Or maybe they cant.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619296]Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.[/quote]

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619496]Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.[/quote]Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

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Problem is, of course, that the Packers are just 4-3, and with the defense that Dom Capers has given them, if they don't make some noise this year, they are in trouble for the future.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619508]Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

[B]I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011.[/B] It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.[/quote]

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619514]I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.[/quote]When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

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Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;619524]Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.[/quote]Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 [B][/B]INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
[B] Campbell: 20 sacked

[/B]Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619525]Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.[/quote]

Winning cures everything. I mean last year during the first half of the season we had similar offensive issues, but no one was talking much about them b/c we were winning.

[quote=skinsfan69;619514]I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. [B]But McNabb has never had great wr's either.[/B] When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.[/quote]

Well he's had Westbrook, who up until recently was a game-changing playmaker for the Eagles. I just don't think we've ever had a player like that in our team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619496]Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And [B]I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL[/B]. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.[/quote]

Maybe not the best but top five for sure

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[quote=GTripp0012;619523]When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

[B]McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, [/B]and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.[/quote]

And McNabb has nothing to do with Philly being a consistent winner for the past 9 or 10 years. lol. No need to over analyze it. McNabb is a proven winner. He's not the most gifted passer but he makes plays and that's why he's been a top QB. Kolb had some good games this year and he might be a real good player. But McNabb has been doing it for years. Time will tell on Kolb. But there is no comparison with McNabb and JC.

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[quote=Buster;619530]UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

[B]Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.[/B]

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
[B]Campbell: 20 sacked[/B]

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.[/quote]

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;619571]Maybe not the best but top five for sure[/quote]

ok well then what about drew brees last year? he almost broke the ALL TIME yardage record with injuries to his best wr. he was throwing to lance moore, devry henderson and robert meachum..... yet he cracked 5,000 yards.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619514]I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.[/quote]

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

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[quote=irish;619612]I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.[/quote]

I'm talking about the 07 season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619593]who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.[/quote]

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

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[quote=Buster;619620]Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.[/quote]
I see what you're saying but I'm not sure any of us have the power to say don't comment on my posts if you don't like them haha

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[quote=skinsfan69;619496]Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.[/quote]I found it interesting that Packers coach Mike McCarthy put 6 of 8 sacks at Rodgers feet for not getting the ball out on time. A lot of folks have been using Rodgers as an example of a QB who puts up numbers despite a high number of sacks, but now we know that he may be bringing much of those on himself if you believe his coach. The only QB numbers that really matter to me is whether the guy wins games for you, and for Rodgers, the jury is still out on that count.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619593]who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.[/quote]Well, try not to get all high and mighty on those of us trying to have a civil conversation.

Campbell is struggling at a whole lot of things right now, and his overall numbers are dropping to career-average levels. At the end of the year, Campbell will more or less look like the same passer he has the last few seasons, which disappoints those of us who were predicting 20% improvement across the board.

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[quote=Buster;619620]Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.[/quote]

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619721]i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.[/quote]So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

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Id rather see us go LT in the draft and if there isnt a good QB in the 2nd we can then go after a QB in FA. We definately need a LT and a Center first and foremost. Then a RB to take snaps from CP.
I guess it all depends on what our new HC wants to do offensively. But it all starts up front.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619722]So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.[/quote]

Did he say interested or just that he wouldn't likely slip past us? This is all connected to Dr. James Andrews performing surgery on Bradford, right?

As for all these stats being tossed around here. Stats are a funny thing. We can look back at the 1991 season and say "Wow, Rypien had 28 TDs and just 11 INTs that year" but most of us wouldn't recall that he had 11 TDs and 7 INTs (or something like that) at the halfway point. And if we looked only at the stats, we wouldn't think that was the QB of an 8-0 team

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[quote=GTripp0012;619722]So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.[/quote]

No. Cutler had a huge year last year and is regarded around the NFL as a better QB than Campbell. Could JC put numbers similar to Cutler if he was in Denver's offense? No. Because he doesn't force the issue, he's not a risk taker, he checks down too early when plays are still developing. All the top QB's in the NFL are risk takers....the number one risk taker is Drew Brees. JC is a care taker.

I haven't seen enough of Bradford but I assume he takes most of his snaps out of shotgun?

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[quote=skinsfan69;619721]i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.[/quote]

JC who????? This argument isn't even an argument... Campbell is terrible and Cutler is legit but has nothing to throw to.. We would have been way better with Cutler or Sanchez, so can we stop talking about Campbell!! I can't wait until he's gone.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619722]So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.[/quote]

Of course we are lol Everyone want's Bradford!! He's a Peyton Manning like QB, it don't matter who our Coach is next season, they would want Sam.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;619773]JC who????? This argument isn't even an argument... Campbell is terrible and Cutler is legit but has nothing to throw to.. We would have been way better with Cutler or Sanchez, so can we stop talking about Campbell!! I can't wait until he's gone.[/quote]The Vince Young apologists club weeps for you.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619523]
McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.
[/quote]

I gotta disagree with you about McNabb playing worse then JC.

McNabb i think has grown very averse to pressure in his face more so then in the past, he wants the ball out of his hands so quickly that he bunny hops a few throws a game.

From watching the past 2 Eagles, I got the feeling like McNabb is testing out his new weapons on offense. McNabb especially againt us seemed to be looking vertical really looking for the big chunk plays.
(Eli was doing the same thing although less successful making some bad reads/choice and was off target.)
I kinda wish that JC would adopt [B][I]some[/I][/B] of this mentality, but its gonna be hard with this OL and the receivers are gonna have to make plays and the Sherman Lewis is gonna have to open it up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619721]i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and [B]cutler has no NFL wr's[/B] so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.[/quote]

He might not have the NFL big names but he has NFL WR's put up good numbers. Cutler has something he's not alone like ppl make him out to be.

Earl Bennett WR 25 rec. 334 yards
Devin Hester WR 35 rec. 454 yards
Johnny Knox WR 24 rec. 310 yards
Greg Olsen TE 22 rec. 215 yards
Matt Forte RB 24 rec. 185 yards

Malcolm Kelly WR 7 rec. 73 yards
Devin Thomas WR 7 rec. 71 yards
Santana Moss WR 28 rec. 453 yards
Antwaan Randle EL WR 23 rec. 248 yards
Chris Cooley TE 29 rec. 332 yards
Clinton Portis RB 9 rec. 57 yards

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[quote=GTripp0012;619525]Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.[/quote]

None of that matters, at least to me. The only thing that matters to me is having a winning team. McNabb is a winner. Campbell is a loser. If he was so great then he'd not have been trade bait.

No matter what, he's done just like this season. He's shell shocked. There are only two more important games for me. The rest is a throw away season. If anything, I'd rather have the #1 draft pick.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620068]None of that matters, at least to me. The only thing that matters to me is having a winning team. McNabb is a winner. Campbell is a loser. If he was so great then he'd not have been trade bait.

No matter what, he's done just like this season. He's shell shocked. There are only two more important games for me. The rest is a throw away season. If anything, I'd rather have the #1 draft pick.[/quote]Well if that was all that mattered, you'd just root for Philly. Problem solved.

It's because other things -- like a sense of loyalty -- matter that we put up with an organization we know to be inferior. Of course, you also have to consider that one of the reasons we don't win as much as they do is because we are much slower to plug the non-quarterback holes in our roster.

You don't have to make the assumption that Campbell and McNabb are equal players to see the similarities. I'm certainly not making that assumption, but a lot of the Campbell criticisms apply to McNabb as well.

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

I'm late getting involved in this thread, but i can't see how there is anything to even compare Jason Campbell to Donovan McNabb.

Even if we look at only their NFL careers, McNabb has been surperior in every aspect to Campbell. That's obvious. His multiple Pro Bowls, Championship Games, and lone Superbowl Appearance all attest to that.

Dating back farther, in college, McNabb also put up the surperior numbers and people knew that he would be going to the NFL. It's shocking how Jason did much of the same thing he does here down in Auburn, according to Al Borges...

No comparison between Campbell and McNabb...

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;620164]I'm late getting involved in this thread, but i can't see how there is anything to even compare Jason Campbell to Donovan McNabb.

Even if we look at only their NFL careers, McNabb has been surperior in every aspect to Campbell. That's obvious. His multiple Pro Bowls, Championship Games, and lone Superbowl Appearance all attest to that.

Dating back farther, in college, McNabb also put up the surperior numbers and people knew that he would be going to the NFL. It's shocking how Jason did much of the same thing he does here down in Auburn, according to Al Borges...

No comparison between Campbell and McNabb...[/quote]Well, when you've been a quarterback in the same place McNabb has for more than ten years, you're bound to run into a string of success.

I frequently ask myself if there's anything that he does so consistently well, game in and game out, that makes him such an irreplaceable part of the Philly offense. And I've come to the conclusion that: McNabb is a very, very good player, and has been so for a long time, but there's nothing Philly couldn't replace if, say, he went to go play overseas. They proved this, I think, with the Kolb pick. I doubt Kevin Kolb is ever going to be a hall of fame player, but he's a functional piece in a bigger machine, who happens to be blocked by McNabb.

None of this is meant to be disrespectful, as Donovan is valuable year in and year out in the Philly offense. Of course, if the Eagles had taken Ricky Williams instead, McNabb could have gone to the Bengals or the Bears, and you would have never heard from him again. On the other hand, he's a big reason that the Eagles have been able to remain so good for so long. By ignoring the QB position every year, they've been able to build a team that could easily survive a QB swap. Ironically.

For a much shorter time, Campbell offered us stability at the QB position, but if the difference between his career and McNabb's is that, when the going got tough, McNabb labored through it and Campbell fell victim to his teams' offensive suckitude, well, then you'd have to conclude that McNabb is the better player. I'm just not sure that the going ever got tough on McNabb, which is where the comparison falls apart.