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I mostly agree SBXVII, with the exception of our run game. 18 yards is unacceptable all the way around. That said, I expected the Texans to really blow us out, and that we had a 27-10 lead at any point is really amazing. Further, after last week, everyone (myself included) was wondering where any semblance of an offense was (heck I even benched McNabb in fantasy arrrgghhhh). So 400 yards, 27 points, and no turnovers(right?), that is all an excellent harbinger for this season. Our D needs to tighten up, but the Houston offense is not some weak opponent.

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Portis had 30 something but when you subtract the negative 10 by LJ that takes the team rushing number down quite a bit right there.

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Hey kudos to our forum guys. Obviously this loss sucked, but no one was dumb enough to make an attention getting thread full of incoherent ramblings (which is kind of surprising considering how many new members have come in). ES, God bless them, obviously they have quality guys over there, but the sheer volume of that community makes those embarrassing threads all to common.

Speaking of incoherent ramblings when are we going to get another "Smoot lays the Smackdown" thread?

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I've often said that when a defense has a good DL then you need to find another way to get your star players the ball. We played two teams with awsome run defenses, but perhaps maybe getting the RB beyond the DL and passing to them would have been the answer.... although I think we tried that and Portis was either over thrown or didn't catch the ball.

I also don't recall seeing any cut blocking. It's almost like they don't want the team to use it until they need it or the team gets better at it or something. Unless I miss something.

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THAT'S why we have a drunk thread!
AND as.....painfull as this was, it's our coaches and our guys first year in ALL new systems. ALl of our systems arenot in place and all the correct personnel does not exist here as of yet. Another offseason, and draft...maybe, maybe more.
THAT having been said, globally your Offense cannot quit scoring, and your Defense MUST be able to make a stop when the game is on the line...........
It was a professional showing
Sleep well............or not.

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I was eating dinner and missed the Armstrong catch. :( Did he do well enough that we can stop talking about VJ? lol. I thought it looked like they were using Galloway well, and heard the cheering for Armstrong. It just seemed to me again it was all Moss, Moss, Moss the whole first half. Maybe the whole game but it was nice to see and hear a couple of other guys getting catches to include Davis.

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[quote=Fan033;736286]That was one of the most demoralizing losses in a long time. [B]A game we should have won and would have won if not for that blocked field goal. [/B] Then to kick the winning field goal in overtime to see it nullified because of a timely time-out by Houston. With the Redskins, the game is never over until the clock runs out. You can never ever relax and assume you've won. I'm very impressed with McNabb and equally as unimpressed with our running game. Eighteen total yards on the ground? Wow! That's gotta change. So another Monday will roll around and I won't look forward to reading the morning Post.[/quote]

Yeah, but even if we make that field goal, it's only a 10 point game and that probably wouldn't have been enough.

The way things were going, if it was 4th and 95, Schaub would have found Andre Johnson wide open for a 96 yard completion.

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As I said before this is one of the games I had listed as a loss and probably a blow out. Here was my win/loss...

Win:
Cowboys
Rams
Eagles
Bears
Lions
Eagles
Giants
Buccaneers
Jaguars

Loss:
Texans
Packers
Colts
Titans
Vikings
Giants
Cowboys

My list has us 9-7 but if we can even clear maybe one more like the Vikings who looked bad or maybe take the second Cowboys game we could go 10-6.

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[quote=SBXVII;736309]I was eating dinner and missed the Armstrong catch. :( Did he do well enough that we can stop talking about VJ? lol. I thought it looked like they were using Galloway well, and heard the cheering for Armstrong. It just seemed to me again it was all Moss, Moss, Moss the whole first half. Maybe the whole game but it was nice to see and hear a couple of other guys getting catches to include Davis.[/quote]
Galloway burned the defense and had a bomb for a touchdown, but McNabb threw it a few inches too far from his fingertips.

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Let's see if we can beat the Rams like we SHOULD beat the Rams. I would like to see us get and hold a lead against a "lesser" team.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;736319]Galloway burned the defense and had a bomb for a touchdown, but McNabb threw it a few inches too far from his fingertips.[/quote]

does VJ make that catch? (honestly don't know, but that's kind of the question isn't it?)

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Ok, had to change my Avatar for the week, not sure who was the mvp of our loss but I would think with McNabb's 400+ yrds passing he was it if not runner up. However I think McNabb will get his day on another game.

I think Rogers deserves his props. We are quick to slam him for his bad hands but he actually caught one today which led to points. So.... Rogers is my Avatar of the week.

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If VJ costs us draft picks I don't want him.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;736176]We are not going to right years of ineptitude and poor decision making in one year, let alone two games.[/quote]


Exactly. This can be a 3 year turn around program. We need depth in both lines, another safety or two, another CB for depth, and I still would say another WR. Galloway might decide to hang it up after this season, and face it, after Santana, the other guys will do for now, but we do need an upgrade at WR still.

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[quote=Beemnseven;736347]If VJ costs us draft picks I don't want him.[/quote]

Well put again.

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[quote=Beemnseven;736347]If VJ costs us draft picks I don't want him.[/quote]


Forget the VJ talk. THis game showed us we are OK at WR and that our priorities should lie elsewhere. Folks are right a NT, G, S, and a CB should be targeted in the next few drafts. We will be winners with Shanny and Donovan, but it will take 2 seasons to really contend. The guys on D have to get settled in with the 3-4 and we need to draft guys that are familiar with it from the get go.

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[quote=Beemnseven;736347]If VJ costs us draft picks I don't want him.[/quote]

Someone said once ... what is so special about draft picks? Teams draft a player in hopes he works out in the NFL as well as the scheme their trying to impliment, in the case of VJ we all know he can play in the NFL. If given a choice of guessing on a WR or paying a little more for a proven commodity I'll take the proven commodity. We drafted two WR's in the second round and notta one is doing much. Partly due to the position coach I believe but still they are not doing much.

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[quote=Lotus;736354]Well put again.[/quote]

Thank you. Guess I'm on a roll tonight. :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;736325]does VJ make that catch? (honestly don't know, but that's kind of the question isn't it?)[/quote]

I don't think so, VJ is fast but Galloway is on a whole other level when it comes to speed, even at 38 years old. Galloway was open because he burned the secondary. As much as it pains me to say it thats on McNabb.

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Seemed that the throw was a bit long, but it also seemed that Galloway didn't make a great play on it either. I think someone said he might have lost sight of it.

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I kinda feel like even though we were excellent with our pass offense this game, the game McNabb had also had plenty to do with how bad the Texans pass defense is. We shouldn't be prepared to see that every week.

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[quote=Lotus;736354]Well put again.[/quote]

This team has to get younger and more talented. Jackson fits the bill however, the need for talented personnel on the defensive side of the ball seems priority. Other than Jackson, is there anyone else 'available' that would propel this team?

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Why isn't Barnes playing? I thought he would be used as 'the X-factor'. Did they just want to play keep away? Tyrone Carter could've been kept and Barnes PS'd. I don't think other teams wanted him that bad.

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[quote=Gmanc711;736246]Just got back to the hotel from the game.... what a freaking disaster. I have nothing to add that probably has not been said, but I knew it almost as soon as we went up 27-10.... I just knew it'd come crashing down... and of course it did. This is the stuff that I was expecting to be fixed from Shannahan. That blocked field goal is atrocious. I dont know who's fault it is, but that is the 2nd missed field goal on something like that in as many weeks. Someone needs to lose their job for it. Thats crap.

Either way, I'd rather have lost by 40 than done that...[/quote]

The last sentence I said that also and was called a fool.

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[quote=Hog1;736306]THAT'S why we have a drunk thread!
AND as.....painfull as this was, it's our coaches and our guys first year in ALL new systems. ALl of our systems arenot in place and all the correct personnel does not exist here as of yet. Another offseason, and draft...maybe, maybe more.
THAT having been said, globally your Offense cannot quit scoring, and your Defense MUST be able to make a stop when the game is on the line...........
It was a professional showing
Sleep well............or not.[/quote]

As good as ALI was, I don't think he is in any shape to play for the Redskins.

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My positive notes from game 2:

1- The Texans are a play off team and we went toe to toe.
2- McNabb and his 400+ yrds.
3- Everyone got involved...Moss, Cooley, Davis, Portis, Armstrong, Galloway.....
4- Defense got 5 sacks.
5- Rogers got an interception.
6- Skins scored over 20 points.
7- Loss to an AFC team not NFC.

I was pissed right after the game, but after settling down and thinking about it this was one of the prettiest losses we've had. I'm a huge Gibbs fan from Gibb1 to Gibb2 but no way do we win this game with him. Zorn .... forget it. I had this as one of my team losses on the way to a 9-7/10-6 season. This was a team that went to the playoffs last yr and is projected to go again possibly taking it to the SB and we played toe to toe with them. Maybe even beat them if we scored 1 more TD or hit the FG that was blocked and made the FG at the end instead of shanking it right after Houstons time out.

Lastly.... folks this was an AFC team. If we are going to lose I'd rather it be to an AFC team vs. one of the NFC teams.

Now if they can just get the running game going which sometimes takes more time. Hopefully during the Rams game we can start making it click.

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[quote=SBXVII;736430]My positive notes from game 2:

1- The Texans are a play off team and we went toe to toe.
2- McNabb and his 400+ yrds.
3- Everyone got involved...Moss, Cooley, Davis, Portis, Armstrong, Galloway.....
4- Defense got 5 sacks.
5- Rogers got an interception.
6- Skins scored over 20 points.
7- Loss to an AFC team not NFC.

I was pissed right after the game, but after settling down and thinking about it this was one of the prettiest losses we've had. I'm a huge Gibbs fan from Gibb1 to Gibb2 but no way do we win this game with him. Zorn .... forget it. I had this as one of my team losses on the way to a 9-7/10-6 season. This was a team that went to the playoffs last yr and is projected to go again possibly taking it to the SB and we played toe to toe with them. Maybe even beat them if we scored 1 more TD or hit the FG that was blocked and made the FG at the end instead of shanking it right after Houstons time out.

Lastly.... folks this was an AFC team. If we are going to lose I'd rather it be to an AFC team vs. one of the NFC teams.

Now if they can just get the running game going which sometimes takes more time. Hopefully during the Rams game we can start making it click.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this, however, this was not a pretty loss. Anytime you're up 17 freaking points at home there is NO EXCUSES for losing. Houston is a legit football team, there is no question about that. However, I do not care who we're playing, if were up 17 points at home mid-way through the third quarter, that needs to be an automatic win.... but the Redskins cannot seem to ever make those automatic. I know alot of us were expecting exactly what happened, and I'm not surprised at all. I want to take a look at some of the positives, but losing a game like that, makes it very hard to.

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[QUOTE]iginally Posted by Gmanc711
Just got back to the hotel from the game.... what a freaking disaster. I have nothing to add that probably has not been said, but I knew it almost as soon as we went up 27-10.... I just knew it'd come crashing down... and of course it did. This is the stuff that I was expecting to be fixed from Shannahan. That blocked field goal is atrocious. I dont know who's fault it is, but that is the 2nd missed field goal on something like that in as many weeks. Someone needs to lose their job for it. Thats crap.

Either way, I'd rather have lost by 40 than done that...[/QUOTE]

Remember Rome was not built in a day. I don't think I would fire our kicker just yet. I look at Dallas's kicker last week and this week and he's bad. Houstons kicker missed a FG. I don't know what the longest kick Gano has but he looks like he could kick from about 60 yrds out.

On the blocked kick you can't blame the kicker. The person to blame was Davis.... our beloved TE. So go ahead and fire him. Davis was on the right side and was supposed to side step right and chip block the end man. All he did was put his hand on the shoulder pads and let the man run right by him for the block. Even the announcers mentioned it. I must warn you though that speaking of firing Davis will not make you fans with the crowd here. There seem to be a lot of Davis fans who would like to see him on the field over Cooley. But..... he's your scape goat if your looking to fire someone.

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Here's the proof of Davis's bad block.....

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091900/2010/REG2/texans@redskins#tab:watch"]NFL Game Center: Houston Texans at Washington Redskins - 2010 Week 2[/URL]

go to the 1 min mark from the begining and watch the FG.

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[quote=Fan033;736286]That was one of the most demoralizing losses in a long time. A game we should have won and would have won if not for that blocked field goal. Then to kick the winning field goal in overtime to see it nullified because of a timely time-out by Houston. With the Redskins, the game is never over until the clock runs out. You can never ever relax and assume you've won. I'm very impressed with McNabb and equally as unimpressed with our running game. Eighteen total yards on the ground? Wow! That's gotta change. So another Monday will roll around and I won't look forward to reading the morning Post.[/quote]

Personally a 4-12 season like last year was much more demoralizing than what happened yesterday. At least we have a competitive team now, last year we were just woefully overmatched in every game. We now have a chance.

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They won't win every game.

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[quote=Mattyk;736438][B]Personally a 4-12 season like last year was much more demoralizing than what happened yesterday. [/B]At least we have a competitive team now, last year we were just woefully overmatched in every game. We now have a chance.[/quote]

I totally agree. I know I used the term "pretty loss" and no loss is pretty but compared to the last 2 yrs and possibly the last 10 yrs this loss we actually looked competative in. We kept the game close. Better clock management. and on the plus side a better idea of just how good we might be. The Dallas game left me wondering still what kind of team we had..... did Dallas play down to us, did we play better then we actually are? Then to see Dallas struggle yesterday did not make me feel much better prior to our game. Here both Dallas and the Texans were supposed to be play off teams this yr and possibly SB teams and we beat one and went toe to toe with the other almost beating them. Folks .... I'm exited. Yes this team has a way to go and it might take 2-3 yrs but if we are this good now imagine how we could look yr 2 or 3. ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;736435]Here's the proof of Davis's bad block.....

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091900/2010/REG2/texans@redskins#tab:watch"]NFL Game Center: Houston Texans at Washington Redskins - 2010 Week 2[/URL]

go to the 1 min mark from the begining and watch the FG.[/quote]

That to me was the worst play of the game. Surprised we dont talk more about how bad our special teams play is. Its not a new issue, they have been poor for several years. Our kickout/punt coverage is decent, but our kicking/punting game and returns are just lacking. I mean that poor block attempt my davis is much more frustrating to me than the Gano miss at the end.

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Yeah I think some people may have forgotten how bad watching our lack of offense last year against Detroit was, or how bad it was to start off last year against the group of 0fers, and play down to or worse than their level.

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[quote=SBXVII;736430]My positive notes from game 2:

[B]1- The Texans are a play off team and we went toe to toe[/B].
2- McNabb and his 400+ yrds.
3- Everyone got involved...Moss, Cooley, Davis, Portis, Armstrong, Galloway.....
[B]4- Defense got 5 sacks.[/B]
5- Rogers got an interception.
6- Skins scored over 20 points.
7- Loss to an AFC team not NFC.

I was pissed right after the game, but after settling down and thinking about it this was one of the prettiest losses we've had. I'm a huge Gibbs fan from Gibb1 to Gibb2 but no way do we win this game with him. Zorn .... forget it. I had this as one of my team losses on the way to a 9-7/10-6 season. This was a team that went to the playoffs last yr and is projected to go again possibly taking it to the SB and we played toe to toe with them. Maybe even beat them if we scored 1 more TD or hit the FG that was blocked and made the FG at the end instead of shanking it right after Houstons time out.

Lastly.... folks this was an AFC team. If we are going to lose I'd rather it be to an AFC team vs. one of the NFC teams.

Now if they can just get the running game going which sometimes takes more time. Hopefully during the Rams game we can start making it click.[/quote]

No they're not. They haven't made the playoffs since their exsistence.

It didn't matter cause when we really needed one we couldn't get it.

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Seems to me that yesterday there ware too many break downs in coverage. Guys were simply running wide open. Also why did we keep letting them run the bootleg? Haslett simply made no adjustments. How do we let Walter go off like he did? After two games I'm very concerned about the defense.

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With the Davis block to me it looked like if he blocked the out side guy the guy in front of him would have a direct shot to the kicker.

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[quote=firstdown;736457]With the Davis block to me it looked like if he blocked the out side guy the guy in front of him would have a direct shot to the kicker.[/quote]

In that situation he needed to block them both. All he had to do was chip the outside guy. A good shove would have done the trick.

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[quote=Mattyk;735452]Nice half, well on our way to 2-0[/quote]

From now on, keep your mouth shut! :spank:


I hate that FG-TO rule/tactic. Hate it when other teams get screwed too.

I don't remember coaches doing that when growing up watching football. They iced kickers, but the whole "negate the kick", fraction-of-a-second before the snap timeouts were not granted, or at least attempted until a few years ago it seems. :doh:

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[quote=Skinny Tee;735007]Unfortunately I think we'll get gashed by the run today.

If you remember the 1st quarter during our preseason games our first team defense was getting a lot of big 10-20 yard runs against them. The Texans more than likely won't have the running output they had week one but it looks like they are a smart enough team to know how to execute their gameplan.

[B]I'm seeing them using their ground game effectively and winning convincingly[/B] [B]27-13[/B].[/quote]

Well, I couldn't have been more wrong about this game.

Please deduct five prognostication points from my running total. Glad to see our guys give this team hell though throughout the game. I couldn't imagine the offensive output we displayed with McNabb behind center.

I've been a huge proponent against bringing McNabb to DC but with what he displayed yesterday on top of all of our line woes was astonishing. Even when the Texans knew our ground game was null and focused on passing defense we still were able to move the ball in the air.


Hats off to McNabb, ShannyX2, Haslett and the squad even though they sustained a loss. I haven't felt more positive about our team overall despite that painful loss...well done Skins!