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[quote=MonkFan4Life;793407]My question is how can you determine what deal was a handshake deal and what isn't legit ? It seems a little off because rumors start sometimes with no merit, and just say that a deal was made that was rumored as a possibility does that automatically make it illegal ?[/quote]

Well it'd be tough to prove I suppose (like free agent tampering), but let's say Gabbert felt all the way to #7 and the Niners pass on him and take Prince. Then as soon as the CBA allows for player trades again, the Niners trade Prince to Philly for Kevin Kolb, that could lead to some suspicion

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793406]Ok you would think we would at some point add a WR this offseason[/quote]

Sidney Rice could be the answer if they change the RFA rules with the (hopefully) new CBA.

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An interesting two-round mock draft by the NFP's Wes Bunting.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tworound-mock-draft.html]Two-round mock draft | National Football Post[/url]

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/662727-2011-washington-redskins-is-jake-locker-or-andy-dalton-the-better-qb-prospect]2011 Washington Redskins: Is Jake Locker or Andy Dalton the Better QB Prospect? | Bleacher Report[/url]

A debate between which quarter back is better dalton or locker. i like dalton

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^ I've always said JL first then Dalton.

Anyways who knows what we r going to do?? Some say trade down some say Quinn or Jones, now there is a rumor of trading up with Denver for Gabbert

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trading up is not a good idea. even if gabbert is the cleanest qb

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Update on Locker's stock
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UPDATE: Rich Campbell of The Free Lance-Star spoke to NFL Network analyst Michael Lombardi about how Jake Locker would fit in Mike Shanahan's offense with the Washington Redskins.

"When you look at what Locker's best skill set is, it's to be on the perimeter, it's to be moving in the pocket," Lombardi said. "He's not an accurate quarterback and he's not a dropback passer.

"Mike's passing game is about being on the edges and challenging, whether it's bootlegs, nakeds and things like that. He's looking for athleticism at quarterback. So when I look at Locker, I see a guy who would fit what Mike does."

- Vince Verhei

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On the day after Jake Locker's episode of "QB Camp" with ESPN's Jon Gruden aired, it's as good a time as any to check back in on the status of his draft stock.

Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean provided an update on Monday regarding the QB's visit with the Tennessee Titans. The Titans have appeared to have quite an interest in Locker for some time; however, it's uncertain whether they'd be willing to invest the No. 8 overall pick in the prospect. By all indications, Locker will need time to adjust to the rigors of the NFL game, thus the Titans would need to find a veteran on the market to handle starting duties in the meantime.

[B]Another QB-needy team this offseason is the Washington Redskins. ESPN NFL Draft Insider Mel Kiper, Jr. has indicated that the 'Skins would have drafted Locker with the fourth overall pick in 2010 had the QB declared for the draft, and there's a possibility that their views on him have remained unchanged, [COLOR="DarkRed"]meaning that they would consider him at No. 10.[/COLOR]
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If Locker makes it past that gauntlet, another potential landing spot is No. 12 overall, to the Minnesota Vikings. Tom Pelissero of 1500 AM ESPN Radio has reported that some in the organization believe Locker's makeup is similar to that of Brett Favre. Moreover, he wrote that "there is a growing sense around the NFL they're preparing to pounce on the Washington quarterback at No. 12 overall."

Here's where the wild card comes in. ESPN's James Walker reported Tuesday that the New England Patriots will be hosting Locker for a two-day visit. As you'll recall, the Patriots hosted Tim Tebow last offseason, though ultimately it was former Pats OC Josh McDaniels that drafted Tebow.

Based on all of this information, it would appear as though Locker could go as high as the Top 10, but he also could slip back -- as many draft pundits have predicted -- later in the first round. As the silly season of misinformation continues, nothing is certain until he's been picked.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqU3VXIJY4&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Gruden's QB Camp: Jake Locker[/url]

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Wow, decisions decisions, Should we take an athletic/mobile QB who's not accurate (ie; Grossman), or do we look for an accurate QB who has some mobility? I'd prefer they took the accurate QB with some mobility. I'm tired of the strong armed non accurate QB's (Campbell, McNabb) and the non accurate mobile QB (Grossman). Time to just go out and get an accurate QB. Although McNabb rolled out it seemed more often then not he was simply tasked to drop back and pass.

So either get an accurate passer or pick up WR's who will go fight for the ball, or know how to adjust their route to go after the ball.

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[quote=Mattyk;793452][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqU3VXIJY4&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Gruden's QB Camp: Jake Locker[/url][/quote]

Here's Mallet (I thought he was actually pretty solid)

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6347583]QB Camp: Ryan Mallett - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

and Dalton (I'm still not really seeing the fascination)

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6338960]QB Camp: Andy Dalton - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;793348]What if they love Locker..but love (for example) Andy Dalton AND Phil Taylor more?[/quote]

In that case a trade down makes all the sense in the world. I don't agree with a trade down if Locker is the only QB they are targeting. If there are multiple options they like then attempting to trade down makes sense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793468]Here's Mallet (I thought he was actually pretty solid)

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6347583]QB Camp: Ryan Mallett - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

and Dalton (I'm still not really seeing the fascination)

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6338960]QB Camp: Andy Dalton - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url][/quote]

The last mock from Kiper had us taking the QB out of Las Vegas (Koeperniachalechsentesck or something) in the 2nd round. Is this guy on really on our radar? Is he really rated as a 2nd round talent?

Just curious.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;793471]The last mock from Kiper had us taking the QB out of Las Vegas (Koeperniachalechsentesck or something) in the 2nd round. Is this guy on really on our radar? Is he really rated as a 2nd round talent?

Just curious.[/quote]

I have seen a lot of mock drafts giving us Kaepernick in round #2. It will scare the hell out of me if he ends up being the QB they draft. He is a total project. Was most likely a late round pick until he looked good at the Senior Bowl. If they say locker, gabbert and Newton need a year of grooming before they play i would hate to see how long it takes us to get this guy ready...

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Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up

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^^ Thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up[/quote]

Wow Dalton. He's obviosly not in the mix at #10 so that puts them in a position of trying to trade up from #41 to the end of the 1st round which is not easy to do.

Aside from the fact that you don't think they will trade up...what are you hearing of their interest in Gabbert or Newton in general? Would they be 1 & 2 on that list?

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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, [B]Taylor[/B] (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up[/quote]

Tyrod!

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[quote=celts32;793492]Wow Dalton. He's obviosly not in the mix at #10 so that puts them in a position of trying to trade up from #41 in the end of the end of the 1st round.

Aside from the fact that you don't think they will trade up...what are you hearing of their interest in Gabbert or Newton in general? Would they be 1 & 2 on that list?[/quote]

Trade up from #41 or trade down from #10.

Good question, I don't really know the answer. I think maybe yes, but they were never really serious possibilities.

What's interesting, to me at least, is that I mentioned Quinn being at the top of their board since the beginning of January and that (from all I've heard) hasn't changed in the last 3 months. That's extremely uncommon. That's a sign of what no Free Agency does

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[quote=Mattyk;793452][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqU3VXIJY4&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Gruden's QB Camp: Jake Locker[/url][/quote]

I really like this kid. Thanks for the link.

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In my opinion, with our limited amount of picks, our best bet would be to trade out of the 10 spot. A very "non-flashy" but highly effective first two picks for our team woulde be:

Trade out of #10 (if possible)

Select Cameron Heyward with the first pick; then grab Phil Taylor.

I know that many of us want is a QB, but let's not forget last season, we absolutely could not stop anyone! By taking Heyward and Taylor, we are getting great value and are building the foundation of our new 3-4. We all are aware of Taylor's upside, but Heyward's name is not one I've heard mentioned a lot. He has the size, decent explosiveness and the character/work ethic that would serve the 3-4 and our team well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up
[/quote]

Kaep? That the most surprising to me because of the similarities to Tebow and the way Kyle felt about Tebow.

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[quote=freddyg12;793493]Tyrod![/quote]

"The following post is in Spanish would you like to translate it."

*Clicks yes*

[quote=freddyg12 Translated Post;793493]Mediocrity at best![/quote]

Lol, I kid. We have no shot at mediocrity with Tyrod.

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[quote=30gut;793514]Kaep? That the most surprising to me because of the similarities to Tebow and the way Kyle felt about Tebow.[/quote]

You lost me

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[quote=SmootSmack;793521]You lost me[/quote]
Just that Kyle didn't seem to high on Tebow last year and Kaep is a very similar prospect to Tebow except he arguably has a worse throwing motion and played in a more gimmicky offense:

[quote]If you draft him thinking you're going to correct (the flaws), then you're wrong," said Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, a former Bucs assistant. "I think it's going to be just as much up to him as the team that takes him. … If he's better at one thing than another, then you better figure out how to work that into your offense.

"If you draft him and think you're going to do what you've been doing all along, you're probably going to be getting him ready for the next coach who's going to replace you." [/quote]

[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/nfl-scouts-scrutinizing-former-florida-quarterback-tim-tebow/1068154]NFL scouts scrutinizing former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow - St. Petersburg Times[/url]

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I have no idea what's being discussed in this thread to date, it's so long and I'm lazy. But thought I'd share a thought.

I see Mike Jones at Redskins Insider asking the question as to whether the Redskins need to jump on Quinn at 10 because there's such a huge drop at OLB after that, and if they trade down we'd even likely not have a shot at an impact OLB.

For me, we have so many needs that I don't care if we get an OLB there or not. Just give me a good player at NT, DE, OLB, QB, WR, or offensive line with that 10th pick. In fact, trade down to pick up more selections, and just take whatever falls to us. Chances are it will be a player that fills a need!

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[quote=30gut;793548]Just that Kyle didn't seem to high on Tebow last year and Kaep is a very similar prospect to Tebow except he arguably has a worse throwing motion and played in a more gimmicky offense:



[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/nfl-scouts-scrutinizing-former-florida-quarterback-tim-tebow/1068154]NFL scouts scrutinizing former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow - St. Petersburg Times[/url][/quote]

I don't think I said the Skins were interested in Kaepernick. They're not really, as far as I know

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[quote=SmootSmack;793551]I don't think I said the Skins were interested in Kaepernick. They're not really, as far as I know[/quote]

Misunderstanding then, I thought that list was what you gather about how the Redskins ranked the QBs.

I would rank the QBs like this:
Tier 1
Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Mallet
Tier 2
Dalton, Ponder
Tier 3
Stanzi, Tyrod,

everyone else

special consideration for late round Jerrod Johnson (if healthy) because of scheme fit

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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up[/quote]

SS, so there is substantial evidence to suggest that they prefer Dalton over Locker - even if it is slight?

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[quote=30gut;793613]Misunderstanding then, I thought that list was what you gather about how the Redskins ranked the QBs.

I would rank the QBs like this:
Tier 1
Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Mallet
Tier 2
Dalton, Ponder
Tier 3
Stanzi, Tyrod,

everyone else

special consideration for late round Jerrod Johnson (if healthy) because of scheme fit[/quote]

I probably didn't lay it out well. But I believe it's Dalton/Locker 1 and 1A or Locker/Dalton 1 and 1A depending on who you're asking.

Then-looking at strictly at the other QBs believed to be taken in the first 2 rounds (excluding Gabbert and Newton)-it's Ponder...and then basically no one else. I put Kaepernick and Mallet there, but that was just to fill out the list.

So let's say they are unable to get Dalton, Locker, and Ponder. Then they're not going to take Kaep or Mallet. They'll just wait until later and probably take one of the 2nd (3rd?) tier QBs

Between Locker and Dalton I don't think one is clearly ahead of the other, and maybe they just split the difference and go with Ponder.

Overall, my sources still say Quinn is the top choice at #10.

I've gone back and forth on it, but I think I'd like them to pull the trigger on Locker at 10. From what I've seen of him, he could be a total superstar (or a total flop). A safer pick is probably Ponder. But, and I think I've mentioned it before, I see Ponder as the safe pick. But I think if you're taking a QB early you're going for the superstar.

In my opinion it's basically go big or go home. Locker could totally blow up in their face. But I say go for it.

Of course if they could move down to get him that'd be great, but the could put a little wrench in that...and that's why no free agency and no trades sucks

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At the end of the day I think I'd be happy with either Locker or Dalton.

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Ive said it before and I will say it again, Locker is going to be a star no matter where he goes.

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After watching the Gruden QB camp, I came away impressed with Locker, more than I thought I would at least. I don't follow college ball much so my firsthand knowledge of him is pretty limited. But he seems like a tough kid, a natural leader, and he's got an impressive athletic skill set.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793618]
I've gone back and forth on it, but I think I'd like them to [B]pull the trigger on Locker[/B] at 10. From what I've seen of him, he could be a total superstar (or a total flop). A safer pick is probably Ponder. But, and I think I've mentioned it before, I see Ponder as the safe pick. But I think [B]if you're taking a QB early you're going for the superstar[/B].

In my opinion it's basically [B]go big or go home[/B]. Locker could totally blow up in their face. But I say go for it.

Of course if they could move down to get him that'd be great, but the could put a little wrench in that...and that's why no free agency and no trades sucks[/quote]

Locker isn't a reach at 10 if he turns into a Franchise QB for the next 12-15 years! Love this post!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;793661]After watching the Gruden QB camp, I came away impressed with Locker, more than I thought I would at least. I don't follow college ball much so my firsthand knowledge of him is pretty limited. But he seems like a tough kid, a natural leader, and he's got an impressive athletic skill set.[/quote]

Seems like he had a lot of responsibilities at the line of scrimmage in the Huskies' offense. No reason to think he won't work out here. Also, seems he has the same knocks as Cutler but with more athleticism and all the intangibles you could want. I may not work out, but I really hope we get this guy!

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Hmmm. I was pulling for Quinn in the first but I'm warming up to J Jones at 10 and J Locker via trading up in the first to het him. He won't be there at #41. Let's build chemistry between them as early as possible. In the 5th thru 7th rounds go all D.

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I agree lets get Locker a locker with the team

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I'd say Locker is the most ready To play QB in this draft.

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I say we hurry up and wait. With Grossman as this teams best option at QB Shanahan will surely be fired in a year or two. Then we can open the door and bring back Vinny

Anyway, I don't care if it's Locker, Dalton, Ponder, or V Young. Just get someone with promise. Give me someone that at least has upside.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793745]I'd say Locker is the most ready To play QB in this draft.[/quote]

Disagree. Locker needs mechanics and footwork work to overcome his problems in the pocket. I think that Ponder, with his experience in a pro style offense and his intelligence, is more plug-and-play.

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Curious rumor.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/15/latest-draft-rumor-redskins-trying-like-crazy-to-move-up/]Latest draft rumor: Redskins “trying like crazy” to move up | ProFootballTalk[/url]