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The lesson is don't cheat.

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Boo hoo hoo. They deflated balls. Who gives a shit. Did the NFL mention that the Colts had 3 out of their 4 balls deflated? Seriously NFL, get a effing life.

Also the Pats ran the ball in that game 500 times. Such a non story but the media and every Pats hater will bitch for the next 5 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112974]Boo hoo hoo. They deflated balls. Who gives a shit. Did the NFL mention that the Colts had 3 out of their 4 balls deflated? Seriously NFL, get a effing life. [/quote]


It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)

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[url=http://www.klewtv.com/sports/NFL-Free-Agent-Collins-Cleared-as-Suspect---302785881.html]NFL Free Agent Collins Cleared as Suspect | Sports | KLEW CBS 3 - News, Weather and Sports - Lewiston, ID[/url]

Sucks for this guy. Lost a ton of money over this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1112982]It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)[/quote]

The problem is that Tom Brady is protected by the NFL. Mark my words he will face no discipline action or fine of any kind....

It seems to me that other sports are much stricter about things like this than the NFL. I don't hate the Patriots but IMO they deserve a strict punishment. Loss of draft picks is BS. As the most severe punishment - everyone involved that "ordered" the deflating, should be banned from working / coaching in the NFL for life. Brady should be suspended by the NFL for one season.

It depends on how much a scumbag Robert Kraft is - he strikes me as a smart man, but surely he knew that winning had to come at any price. If i am wrong about him then he fires those on staff that orchestrated the deflating...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112974]Boo hoo hoo. They deflated balls. Who gives a shit. Did the NFL mention that the Colts had 3 out of their 4 balls deflated? Seriously NFL, get a effing life.

Also the Pats ran the ball in that game 500 times. Such a non story but the media and every Pats hater will bitch for the next 5 years.[/quote]


Agreed , people are jealous of the Patriots success why is no one screaming for Arron Rodgers he admitted he adds air to the ball .If you read the whole thing the NFL was warned and still did nothing ,well???

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[quote=NC_Skins;1112983][url=http://www.klewtv.com/sports/NFL-Free-Agent-Collins-Cleared-as-Suspect---302785881.html]NFL Free Agent Collins Cleared as Suspect | Sports | KLEW CBS 3 - News, Weather and Sports - Lewiston, ID[/url]

Sucks for this guy. Lost a ton of money over this.[/quote]

To be fair his "I won't sign" quote hurt him also.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1112983][url=http://www.klewtv.com/sports/NFL-Free-Agent-Collins-Cleared-as-Suspect---302785881.html]NFL Free Agent Collins Cleared as Suspect | Sports | KLEW CBS 3 - News, Weather and Sports - Lewiston, ID[/url]

Sucks for this guy. Lost a ton of money over this.[/quote]

Skins could really use his talent...imagine him at RT and The Sherrif at RG.
If he had nothing to do with it...he is grieving and lost his girlfriend.
What do you guys think?...is there any chance of the Skins going after him?

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What do I think? I think they give Large consideration to this guy....
AND that should be enough for anyone

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[quote=skinsnut;1112991]Skins could really use his talent...imagine him at RT and The Sherrif at RG.
If he had nothing to do with it...he is grieving and lost his girlfriend.
What do you guys think?...is there any chance of the Skins going after him?[/quote]

He probably wouldn't come here to begin with since he has his choice of anywhere to go. Also, this wasn't his girlfriend, just a girl he used to date, and they weren't sure if the baby was his. (probably not)

I think Scotty McC already said he's not interested though.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1112982]It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)[/quote]

He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112997]He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.[/quote]

Comparing off the field transgressions to on the field transgressions is mixing apples and oranges and is just plain stupid.

The NFL cares enough about ball pressure that it has a rule about it. They also care enough about it to have specific procedures in place, such that the balls have to be presented to the head official two hours before the game for testing, and kept under watch until just minutes before the game starts. If the NFL didn't think ball pressure makes a difference in performance they wouldn't make a rule about it and wouldn't go to these lengths to enforce it. Brady's a cheater and should not be considered for the HOF.

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He's back!! Second chance?

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/7/former-redskins-te-fred-davis-reinstated-nfl/]Former Redskins TE Fred Davis reinstated by NFL - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112997]He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.[/quote]

i think the balls were deflated for every game for a long time. Who knows how long.

The fact that Brady was pissed after the Jets game in the reg season this year bc McNally wasnt able to deflate the balls, to me, means Brady expected every game to have deflated balls. But since the jets dont trust the pats, i imagine it was a lot harder for McNally to duck into a bathroom.

the balls not being deflated was the exception to the rule. this was not a one time thing.

i just feel bad for Robert Kraft. he looks like a schmuck. if he asked brady about this before Kraft did his "demanding an apology" speech ... brady left him out to dry.

the fumble thing is real interesting to me.

in 2006, Brady (and peyton) lobbied the league to allow teams to scuff and provide their own balls. Brady was quoted as saying some QBs like the ball more inflated, some like it less.

The NFL didnt allow teams to set their own PSI.

In 2007, the Patriots started this statistically impossibility (per smart expert ppl) that their fumbles went from around league avg of 1 fumble per 39 plays before 2007 to 1 fumble per 79 plays in 207 and after.

[url=http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007]Sharp Football Analysis[/url]

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Sounds like Brady could definitely be facing a suspension due to the fact he didn't fully cooperate with the investigation.

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Per NFL Trade Rumors: "Charean Williams of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the Dallas Cowboys have signed former LSU OL La’el Collins to a contract."

It almost had to happen, didn't it?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1113032]Per NFL Trade Rumors: "Charean Williams of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the Dallas Cowboys have signed former LSU OL La’el Collins to a contract."

It almost had to happen, didn't it?[/quote]

Per PFT he's meeting with the Dolphins:
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/07/report-lael-collins-to-meet-with-dolphins-in-miami/]Report: La’el Collins to meet with Dolphins in Miami | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Cowboys signed La'el Collins

[url=http://abc7chicago.com/sports/cowboys-sign-lael-collins-to-deal/702910/]Cowboys sign La'el Collins to deal | abc7chicago.com[/url]
Go Jerra'......

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Ugh, fucking Cowboys. So goddamn lucky with shit. Free first round pick.

Vomit. :(

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So Brady's balls are deflated and the Cowgirls sign a guy who refused to sign with anyone who drafted him so he could pick his own team? Sounds about right.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1113042]Ugh, fucking Cowboys. So goddamn lucky with shit. Free first round pick.

Vomit. :([/QUOTE]
I think I will hold off on appraising how lucky they are. They already have a solid line so he may just sit and be headaches around contract times. That seems just as likely.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[quote=Hog1;1113039]Cowboys signed La'el Collins

[url=http://abc7chicago.com/sports/cowboys-sign-lael-collins-to-deal/702910/]Cowboys sign La'el Collins to deal | abc7chicago.com[/url]
Go Jerra'......[/quote]

That offensive line is going to be even nastier than what it is now. FFS

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113046]I think I will hold off on appraising how lucky they are. They already have a solid line so he may just sit and be headaches around contract times. That seems just as likely.

Sent from my S6 Edge[/quote]

Jerry generally pays his guys. Even guys he probably shouldn't. (Miles Austin/Roy Williams)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113048]Jerry generally pays his guys. Even guys he probably shouldn't. (Miles Austin/Roy Williams)[/quote]

Dez? DeMarco? even Hatcher, Ware. There's been a bit of a shift down there, smarter heads are prevailing unfortunately.

My bigger point though was that maybe they made a good deal for a good player at an opportune moment, but they aren't replacing T Smith soon, and while he may replace Free, the upgrade to their line isn't going to be as much as if it were someone like Buffalo or us. So now they will have a guy who having never played an NFL down felt his agent was well advised to threaten the teams with not signing. Ok. I will take a wait and see on that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113019]Comparing off the field transgressions to on the field transgressions is mixing apples and oranges and is just plain stupid.

The NFL cares enough about ball pressure that it has a rule about it. They also care enough about it to have specific procedures in place, such that the balls have to be presented to the head official two hours before the game for testing, and kept under watch until just minutes before the game starts. If the NFL didn't think ball pressure makes a difference in performance they wouldn't make a rule about it and wouldn't go to these lengths to enforce it. [B]Brady's a cheater and should not be considered for the HOF.[/quote]
[/B]
:yeahright:

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[quote=over the mountain;1113022]i think the balls were deflated for every game for a long time. Who knows how long.

The fact that Brady was pissed after the Jets game in the reg season this year bc McNally wasnt able to deflate the balls, to me, means Brady expected every game to have deflated balls. But since the jets dont trust the pats, i imagine it was a lot harder for McNally to duck into a bathroom.

the balls not being deflated was the exception to the rule. this was not a one time thing.

i just feel bad for Robert Kraft. he looks like a schmuck. if he asked brady about this before Kraft did his "demanding an apology" speech ... brady left him out to dry.

the fumble thing is real interesting to me.

in 2006, Brady (and peyton) lobbied the league to allow teams to scuff and provide their own balls. Brady was quoted as saying some QBs like the ball more inflated, some like it less.

The NFL didnt allow teams to set their own PSI.

In 2007, the Patriots started this statistically impossibility (per smart expert ppl) that their fumbles went from around league avg of 1 fumble per 39 plays before 2007 to 1 fumble per 79 plays in 207 and after.

[URL="http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007"]Sharp Football Analysis[/URL][/quote]

Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113047]That offensive line is going to be even nastier than what it is now. FFS[/quote]

Too bad they don't have a decent RB to exploit that line.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113051]Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.[/quote]

Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.

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I dont know what annoys me more, ball inflation rules or the Dallas Ploughboys.

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[quote=Skinzman;1113057]Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.[/quote]

Brady's in the wrong. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is just because a rule is broken doesn't mean it compromised the outcome of a game. I just don't believe that a ball that was barely underinflated determined the outcome. I understand rules were broken and he probably lied. I just don't care and the media is on this like flies on shit. They won the SB with normal inflated balls.

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^ This. Seriously, the score was 45-7 people. Does anyone really think that the difference between 11.70 psi v. 12.50 psi made any difference? A classic example where the cover-up is worse than the crime. Were people in the Patriots orgzanization untruthful about it? It sure seems that way. But it's insane to thinnk that this compromised the integrity of the game in any meaningful way. Resources would be better spent on dealing with PEDs or other things that relate to player safety or otherwise do affect outcomes.

Separately, anyone else see this? [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000491683/article/exredskins-te-fred-davis-reinstated-from-suspension]Ex-Redskins TE Fred Davis reinstated from suspension - NFL.com[/url]

I suspect the Cowboys are already in negotiations with him.

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On Brady Its the lying part that bothers me..i can tell you this if the redskins do this they get hammered. as far as cowboys getting Collins I thought the Skins should have gambled and drafted him in the 3rd..call me crazy but unless Jones is a very good RB what would we have lost?..we could have really been set at o line ..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113061]Brady's in the wrong. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is just because a rule is broken doesn't mean it compromised the outcome of a game. I just don't believe that a ball that was barely underinflated determined the outcome. I understand rules were broken and he probably lied. I just don't care and the media is on this like flies on shit. They won the SB with normal inflated balls.[/quote]

I have never said they didnt win the SB with the right balls. I am also not in the camp that Brady should be suspended the whole year or that he no longer deserves to be in the HOF. He did cheat however, and should face some punishment. To me, a game suspension sounds right, and the pats losing a draft pick or two, something similar to what the falcons lost. But to say its only breaking a rule if Indy plays well is laughable. How the other team played is irrelevant to whether they cheated.

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I have had the opinion and I still do....
Why does the NFL care what the opposition does with it's Footballs? Allow all offenses to do what they want with their balls. All teams have the same opportunity. More air....less air....nitrogen...helium...whatev's. The same opportunity will exist for all and those that are more clever may gain a competitive advantage.
And now undoubtedly the NFL will overreact and hire a team of 32 guys to watch their balls. A Brinks team of guards will have to account for.....escort.....watch safeguard, said balls.
Why?

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Integrity of the game. You can't have teams messing with the balls. Where do you draw the line after that? Let the teams modify their equipment too? You set a standard and enforce it. The league should have been monitoring the balls years ago. Dumb that it even got to this point.

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Try it out in preseason...see how it goes. Apparently Brady likes lower pressure, manning likes more than the league allows...let em'. They're apparently doing it anyway...Panthers Vikes heating balls during the game
It will now become an expensive albatross to be enforced by an army of BS..

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He's a cheater, Belichick's a cheater. They're good, but cheaters. Deserve the maximum punishment allowed. Hope he gets screwed up from OVERinflated balls for the rest of his career.

Just saying, you cheat you don't deserve the Super Bowl trophy. I don't care if it didn't affect the game.

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FWIW
Apparently according to the report, Both BB and the team were found in no way to be.....complicit

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they probably did cheat. just seems like the MO, and it's not like this is the first or second time these guys have been caught doing something shady. how much of an advantage did it give them? who knows. probably not as much as taping jets practices or whatnot. Not really too broken up or concerned about it, even though maybe I should be? I guess the Pats are going to end up with a league sanctioned inflation monitor now, which would honestly be pretty funny.

sad the boys got collins. that's a good player i would have liked to have (talent wise at least). we could have spent a 7th to secure his rights and make sure no one else could sign him.

still a bit of a bad precedent to skip the draft and then immediately sign a (presumably) big money contract relative to to everyone else that waited in line for their turn.

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I don't understand why Collins didn't he come out and say he was 100% not guilty. He left the draft. He should have held a press conference right there and said 100% not guilty. It almost made him look suspicious by not saying anything and leaving the draft. This cost him a ton of dough.