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Big win yesterday getting EU to come to us, sit down at our table and work out some things.

[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/trump-pulls-off-a-surprising-victory-on-trade/566111/[/url]

Earlier this month, in a little-noticed move, the European Commission approved imports of a widely used genetically modified soybean variety, a boon for U.S. farmers and grain traders who’ve long denounced Europe’s limits on GM food imports as protectionism in disguise. When Juncker spoke of increasing European purchases of U.S. soybeans, he was doing more than blowing smoke—the Commission had already laid the groundwork for doing so. If Europe does indeed import more U.S. soybeans, China’s retaliatory measures will prove that much less effective.


The EU deal is more bad news for China

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[quote=mooby;1196909]Or we can call it what it is. Buying votes. Trump loses farmers that's a big chunk of his base. 12 billion is apparently the going rate to keep their support.[/quote]

If they put that 12billion to the wall they wouldn't have needed to do 12 billion in subsidies. But lets not pretend that both sides, and politicians at all levels, don't use cash subsidies/grants/handouts to keep their voters happy. I may be naive, but I would hesitate to say that of the 4Trillion dollars spent, a few percents might be going to keep politician's voters happy.

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[quote=mooby;1196909]Or we can call it what it is. Buying votes. Trump loses farmers that's a big chunk of his base. 12 billion is apparently the going rate to keep their support.[/quote]

Funny this happens and then then trump decides to deal..............


[url]https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/eu-japan-trade-deal-america-was-wrong-to-sit-on-sidelines/[/url]


and three days later................this


[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/us-eu-trade-agreement-lacks-detail-and-fails-to-end-issues-with-china.html[/url]

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[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/addison-barnes-oregon-student-to-get-25000-in-border-wall-t-shirt-case/[/url]

Oregon student disciplined for "Trump Border Wall" T-shirt to get $25,000 and an apology

Freedom wins again folks!

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[quote=Chico23231;1196932][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/addison-barnes-oregon-student-to-get-25000-in-border-wall-t-shirt-case/[/url]

Oregon student disciplined for "Trump Border Wall" T-shirt to get $25,000 and an apology

Freedom wins again folks![/quote]

So when will trump apologize for all the stupid stuff he has done?:smashfreak:

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[quote=Chico23231;1196932][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/addison-barnes-oregon-student-to-get-25000-in-border-wall-t-shirt-case/[/url]

Oregon student disciplined for "Trump Border Wall" T-shirt to get $25,000 and an apology

Freedom wins again folks![/quote]

From the article:
[quote]The case highlights the struggle among schools to balance free-speech rights with keeping students safe, as acrimony intensifies over America's immigration policies and enforcement.[/quote]

my new slogan (taken from the gun debate)

t-shirts don't kill people, people kill t-shirts


In all seriousness, the liberal progressive thinks that the bill of rights is worthless for anyone who disagrees with their concept of harm.
A liberal's motto -
Freedom of speech, if I approve it
Freedom to bear arms, if we like you
Freedom from secret searches, wrong if you are a criminal (but ok for opposition candidates)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196961]From the article:


my new slogan (taken from the gun debate)

t-shirts don't kill people, people kill t-shirts


In all seriousness, the liberal progressive thinks that the bill of rights is worthless for anyone who disagrees with their concept of harm.
A liberal's motto -
Freedom of speech, if I approve it
Freedom to bear arms, if we like you
Freedom from secret searches, wrong if you are a criminal (but ok for opposition candidates)[/quote]

You just described every trump cult member alive.Your bias is showing.


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/[/url]


[url]https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/18/incidents-harvard-and-catholic-universities-run-counter-narrative-about-campus[/url]

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-war-of-words-on-college-campuses[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1196932][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/addison-barnes-oregon-student-to-get-25000-in-border-wall-t-shirt-case/[/url]

Oregon student disciplined for "Trump Border Wall" T-shirt to get $25,000 and an apology

Freedom wins again folks![/quote]

I actually agree on this one, they shouldn't have "suspended" the kid. It would be justified if it said "deport the spics" or some actual racist garbage, but the shirt manages to get the implied point across without saying it directly. To make an analogy here, unfortunately using lament's terms is an effective strategy today, people like Richard Spencer can come out and claim white supremacy groups aren't about getting rid of minorities, it's about white rights being trampled on.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196962]You just described every trump cult member alive.Your bias is showing.


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/[/url]


[url]https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/18/incidents-harvard-and-catholic-universities-run-counter-narrative-about-campus[/url]

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-war-of-words-on-college-campuses[/url][/QUOTE]Was a full fledged bias post.

I can continue the winning points all year long. Take away trump hate and y'all got nothing. I've got economic factors, geopolitical reality(not fear mongering based in trump hate), and regulatory relief to cite every time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196969]Was a full fledged bias post.

I can continue the winning points all year long. Take away trump hate and y'all got nothing. I've got economic factors, geopolitical reality(not fear mongering based in trump hate), and regulatory relief to cite every time.[/quote]

No, no y'all don't. What y'all got is a cult using "alternative facts" to give justification to trump fucking over america.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196971]No, no y'all don't. What y'all got is a cult using "alternative facts" to give justification to trump fucking over america.[/QUOTE]Guarantee you can't name one instance of proof where trump fucked over the us and its legal citizens, just simple ideoillogical trump hate wrapped around fear mongering speculation

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to put it another way, if Trump's scandals lead to impeachable offenses, then he will be gone,

BUT, the policies-national and international, confirmed court appointments, and regulatory actions he has implemented so far have been in keeping with the ideals of what he was sent to do, and so far the country has seen continued and better economic growth, reduced threats from NK and ISIS, and none of the doom and gloom narrative that has been pushed by many opinion writers and social media outlets.

If there was one group of people that should truly be "impeached" it's the entire congress - both parties. [partial sarcasm]We ought to enact a constitutional amendment that says if Congress' poll numbers are below 20% favorable at any point in the legislative session, all sitting members of congress are barred from seeking re-election. [end partial sarcasm]

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NK returned the remains of 55 servicemen today.

2nd quarter GDP 4.1 growth

Sometimes getting fucked can be a good thing i guess

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[quote=Giantone;1196971]No, no y'all don't. What y'all got is a cult using "alternative facts" to give justification to trump fucking over america.[/quote]

G1, I imagine you're are gonna have a yyyuge party when Trump is impeached, resigns, gets beat, etc.... I just want the invite. Kegger?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196982]to put it another way, if Trump's scandals lead to impeachable offenses, then he will be gone,

BUT, the policies-national and international, confirmed court appointments, and regulatory actions he has implemented so far have been in keeping with the ideals of what he was sent to do, and so far the country has seen continued and better economic growth, reduced threats from NK and ISIS, and none of the doom and gloom narrative that has been pushed by many opinion writers and social media outlets.

If there was one group of people that should truly be "impeached" it's the entire congress - both parties. [partial sarcasm]We ought to enact a constitutional amendment that says if Congress' poll numbers are below 20% favorable at any point in the legislative session, all sitting members of congress are barred from seeking re-election. [end partial sarcasm][/quote]

Serious question for you. (Let me fluff it up first so I might get a legit answer. Kudos to Trump for the impressive economic growth.)

What percentage of economic growth would be acceptable to ignore the possible reality Trump had pre-presidential loans that came from Kremlin-connected officials?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196984]NK returned the remains of 55 servicemen today.

2nd quarter GDP 4.1 growth

Sometimes getting fucked can be a good thing i guess[/quote]

LOL, wow.....you really believe that don't you?


Thank Obama for the economy.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196972]Guarantee you can't name one instance of proof where trump fucked over the us and its legal citizens, just simple ideoillogical trump hate wrapped around fear mongering speculation[/quote]

Yeah I can, ,I am sure that the cult will deny any and all of it after all ..........fuck america ,right?

[url]https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2017/04/26/431299/100-ways-100-days-trump-hurt-americans/[/url]





[url]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/04/13/trumps-lies-corrode-democracy/[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196982]to put it another way, if Trump's scandals lead to impeachable offenses, then he will be gone,

BUT, the policies-national and international, confirmed court appointments, and regulatory actions he has implemented so far have been in keeping with the ideals of what he was sent to do, and so far the country has seen continued and better economic growth, reduced threats from NK and ISIS, and none of the doom and gloom narrative that has been pushed by many opinion writers and social media outlets.

If there was one group of people that should truly be "impeached" it's the entire congress - both parties. [partial sarcasm]We ought to enact a constitutional amendment that says if Congress' poll numbers are below 20% favorable at any point in the legislative session, all sitting members of congress are barred from seeking re-election. [end partial sarcasm][/quote]

LOL, "[B]IF"[/B]?!:stop:

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[quote=mooby;1196994]Serious question for you. (Let me fluff it up first so I might get a legit answer. Kudos to Trump for the impressive economic growth.)

What percentage of economic growth would be acceptable to ignore the possible reality Trump had pre-presidential loans that came from Kremlin-connected officials?[/quote]

If all the dust settles and Trump broke any laws then he should be impeached, and have a Senate trial. I don't honestly think anyone thinks otherwise.

Now let me put the G1 imposed Trumpeteer speak into it. I don't trust most if any of the ongoing investigations. I think that there was clear bias before and after the election to excuse illegal activity from HRC, and clear bias to find any way to impede Trump's agenda.

BUT, the legal documents will tell the story. The IG report told a part of a story, but 1 - the IG doesn't have subpoena power or criminal charging power (but note that due to the IG report alot of the top players are gone now to me that says something) - and 2) the IG report was focused on the specific HRC email issues, and the agents running it were breaking the same rules!

SO to go further, I believe the IG has 3 ongoing investigations into bias/improper Justice dept acts, and based on his last report I think he is doing his best to be a neutral observer, so I will put a lot of stock into what his reports say (not what the media says they say and I will read them like I did the HRC one released)

If Mueller's probe finishes, and he only finds a meandering obstruction charge around Comey's firing, it won't impact me. If he finds substantial financial illegalities, and he very well may, then there should be a house impeachment vote and senate trial.



Noone, not HRC, or DT, should be above the law in our system.

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[quote=Giantone;1196997]LOL, wow.....you really believe that don't you?


Thank Obama for the economy.[/quote]

You are special if you think this Obama's economy at this point.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196999]LOL, "[B]IF"[/B]?!:stop:[/QUOTE]Ok. I agree the entire congress SHOULD be impeached

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[quote=mooby;1196994]Serious question for you. (Let me fluff it up first so I might get a legit answer. Kudos to Trump for the impressive economic growth.)

What percentage of economic growth would be acceptable to ignore the possible reality Trump had pre-presidential loans that came from Kremlin-connected officials?[/quote]

also my last post turned long winded so here is a one liner

if Trump broke criminal felony laws, and legal documents prove it by a Senate trial then he should not be president, regardless of economic growth, policy changes I see as positive, or any other consideration.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197011]also my last post turned long winded so here is a one liner

if Trump broke criminal felony laws, and legal documents prove it by a Senate trial then he should not be president, regardless of economic growth, policy changes I see as positive, or any other consideration.[/quote]

What if he broke his oath of Office?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197003]You are special if you think this Obama's economy at this point.[/quote]

Look at what Obama walked into ,and then look at what trump walked into. To not give credit to Obama for the economy is a serious joke.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197015]Look at what Obama walked into ,and then look at what trump walked into. To not give credit to Obama for the economy is a serious joke.[/QUOTE]I give President Obama creditm for building a steady base. That's fine but the growth rate is because of trump and the policies enacted by Congress. The reduction of regulations the tax cut and this quarter the threats of tariffs being imposed which spiked the exports number. That of course we'll see if it plays out positive in the long term but the way that the economy is growing now is because of the regulations of the last 2 years with thanks to Obama and the Republican Congress for keeping the economy on a stable base.

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[quote=Giantone;1197015]Look at what Obama walked into ,and then look at what trump walked into. To not give credit to Obama for the economy is a serious joke.[/quote]

Sigh...naw, I won’t explain it again. But this isn’t the right way to think about it. To say trump simply lucked into the these growth figures simply shows either your ignorance or your unwillingness to look at some fairly obvious facts.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197016]I give President Obama creditm for building a steady base. That's fine but the growth rate is because of trump and the policies enacted by Congress. The reduction of regulations the tax cut and this quarter the threats of tariffs being imposed which spiked the exports number. That of course we'll see if it plays out positive in the long term but the way that the economy is growing now is because of the regulations of the last 2 years with thanks to Obama and the Republican Congress for keeping the economy on a stable base.[/quote]

LOL, the reduction of regulations,in plain English ....fuck the environment and fuck the average American but hey lets tariff (tax the shit)the hell out of things till people lose their jobs,it might work it might not .

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[quote=Chico23231;1197017]Sigh...naw, I won’t explain it again. But this isn’t the right way to think about it. To say trump simply lucked into the these growth figures simply shows either your ignorance or your unwillingness to look at some fairly obvious facts.[/quote]

So you're saying what trump walked into was as bad as Obama faced?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197016]I give President Obama creditm for building a steady base. That's fine but the growth rate is because of trump and the policies enacted by Congress. The reduction of regulations the tax cut and this quarter the threats of tariffs being imposed which spiked the exports number. That of course we'll see if it plays out positive in the long term but the way that the economy is growing now is because of the regulations of the last 2 years with thanks to Obama and the Republican Congress for keeping the economy on a stable base.[/quote]

The rich got richer on the tax cuts the average American gets screwed in the long run but as for the "regulation reductions" again all he did was hurt the average Americans in general.

read it .
[url]https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2017/04/26/431299/100-ways-100-days-trump-hurt-americans/[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197019]So you're saying what trump walked into was as bad as Obama faced?[/QUOTE]No, no one is saying that ever.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197020]The rich got richer on the tax cuts the average American gets screwed in the long run but as for the "regulation reductions" again all he did was hurt the average Americans in general.

read it .
[url]https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2017/04/26/431299/100-ways-100-days-trump-hurt-americans/[/url][/QUOTE]I saw it before and from a socialist's point of view fine. But he wasnt elected to be a socialist, he was elected to be a republican president that holds to conservative ideals.
That list or something similar would be used against any conservative non globalist president.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197022]I saw it before and from a socialist's point of view fine. But he wasnt elected to be a socialist, he was elected to be a republican president that holds to conservative ideals.
That list or something similar would be used against any conservative non globalist president.[/quote]
No , your assumption is that any president would have done the same and you're wrong.
[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/business-tax-payments-plunge-workers-pay-185504363.html[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197021]No, no one is saying that ever.[/quote]

So you agree that trump walked into a good economy.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197024]So you agree that trump walked into a good economy.[/QUOTE]Yes.

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[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/study-medicare-for-all-projected-to-cost-dollar326-trillion/ar-BBLf3wp?ocid=ientp]Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion[/url]

This is how socialism works. I don't fear, democrats, republicans, progressives, ultra conservatives, fringe conspiracy theorist, etc.

I fear socialism and the extreme false narrative it creates...because its appealing to the inexperienced, young people. Fuck socialism.

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I thought Mexico was paying for the un needed Wall ,that is what trump said!

[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-again-threatens-to-shut-down-government-1532881369[/url]

WASHINGTON—President Trump renewed a threat to shut down the government unless Congress provides money for a wall at the southern border and enacts new curbs on immigration, reviving a battle he said last month should wait until Republicans gained more solid majorities after the November elections.[U][U][/U][/U]:bdh:

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I've said all along, I don't care if Mexico pays for it, yeah it was a campaign thing, but the important part is to build the d*** thing with secured funding. I liken it to a toll highway, you secure funding, build the highway recoup the cost with tolls... Build the wall, add a wall surcharge to every central american visa for the next 30 years. People aren't going to stop applying for visas. Over 3M visas have been approved each year since 2010. A $50 wall fee would pay for a substantial portion of the wall over 8 years. The current charge is 180, so that would be 230. There also is a $160 border crossing fee, which you could also raise, and again, like a toll pay back the construction of the wall.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197068]I thought Mexico was paying for the un needed Wall ,that is what trump said!



[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-again-threatens-to-shut-down-government-1532881369[/url]



WASHINGTON—President Trump renewed a threat to shut down the government unless Congress provides money for a wall at the southern border and enacts new curbs on immigration, reviving a battle he said last month should wait until Republicans gained more solid majorities after the November elections.[U][U][/U][/U]:bdh:[/QUOTE]



Well he has absolutely nobody in charge of our cyber security so why not see what his pal Putin can do this time. Makes perfect sense really. [emoji849]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1197074]I've said all along, I don't care if Mexico pays for it, yeah it was a campaign thing, but the important part is to build the d*** thing with secured funding. I liken it to a toll highway, you secure funding, build the highway recoup the cost with tolls... Build the wall, add a wall surcharge to every central american visa for the next 30 years. People aren't going to stop applying for visas. Over 3M visas have been approved each year since 2010. A $50 wall fee would pay for a substantial portion of the wall over 8 years. The current charge is 180, so that would be 230. There also is a $160 border crossing fee, which you could also raise, and again, like a toll pay back the construction of the wall.[/QUOTE]



Its a really good plan for a really useless thing. Let’s concentrate on the real problem in this world. A murderous dictator who is hell bent on flexing his muscle in the world and saving face from the fall of the Soviet Union.

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The wall has got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever