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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189247]He could have had a chance to compete and even be a starter on another team ,instead he had to sit behind RGIII and wait as a player I can see how that would piss him off.[/QUOTE]So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.

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[quote=Dan73;1189244]You get excited after one game fine. You do it in practices or at the GM after a game and it begins to show a problem. [/quote]

1) still don't believe he did it as you say,it's not him.

2) How the hell is it a problem?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189249]So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.[/quote]

....you forgot to add in tagging him, twice and yes.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189250]1) still don't believe he did it as you say,it's not him.

2) How the hell is it a problem?[/QUOTE]That is fine if you don't want to believe heck I have met lung and throat cancer patients who will not give up smoking because they don't believe smoking causes cancer.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189249]So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.[/QUOTE]I don't think they did him wrong but I wouldn't draft 2 rookies. You should have a vet to groom and guide a rookie. If you draft a guy with a fragile ego or who is impressionable you end up with what the Skins got.

The problem with what happened is both guys were about themselves and not the team.

RG3 become RGme

And all we heard about was Kirk getting on himself and Kirk's stats but ignore team wins.

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[quote=Dan73;1189244]You get excited after one game fine. You do it in practices or at the GM after a game and it begins to show a problem.

Drafting 2 rookie QBs the same year seemed to set this up.

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Jeez, did you even take the time to read anything posted on the other 53 Kirk Cousins threads before you joined this board? History didn't start with you. Your revival of stuff we've covered a hundred times is very annoying. I can't believe that other posters are actually going over this same stuff again and again with you. It's as if we've been listening to [I]In a Gadda Da Vita[/I] continuously for fifty years. Plus, you're probably going to break the all-time posting record for someone in his first month on the board by re-hashing all this ancient history. He's gone. We've replaced him. You can stop trashing the man now.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189258]Jeez, did you even take the time to read the other 53 Kirk Cousins threads before you joined this board? History didn't start with you. Your revival of stuff we've covered a hundred times is very annoying. I can't believe that other posters are actually going over this same stuff again and again with you. It's as if we've been listening to [I]In a Gadda Da Vita[/I] continuously for fifty years. Plus, you're probably going to break the all-time posting record for someone in his first month on the board by re-hashing all this ancient history. He's gone. We've replaced him. You can stop trashing the man now.[/QUOTE]Do you feel better?

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[quote=Giantone;1189251]....you forgot to add in tagging him, twice and yes.[/quote]

only if you don't look at the post I made that led to your post that I responded to.


But whatever. This "Final" thread has moved to the too many pages to load right, so sadly, it won't be the final thread. :(

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[quote=Dan73;1189259]Do you feel better?

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I welcome your other posts. You've had some good ones.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189249]So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.[/quote]

Without seeing the full discussion, I think you're oversimplifying it here. Skins did him dirty by never offering him a fair deal until they were backed into a corner. When it was time for the two parties to meet and negotiate fairly the Skins tried to be cheap and it cost them.

But it's done now, so we have to move on. We have Alex Smith, who clearly wants to be here.

G1, I meant that for all the PC talk Kirk did (I'm leaving it to my agent, I don't want to talk contracts right now, etc.) he never came out and said "I want to be here long-term." Even Chris Thompson was talking about how he never got that feeling from him.

I think the timeline was something along the lines of: Kirk finally clicks as a starter, we cheap on the initial offer, Kirk feels slighted, probably doesn't feel wanted by the FO esp. after McC leaves, decides to only play for us if we keep tagging him which we do until it becomes untenable. Now he will walk in FA and if the lack of suitors is to be believed, probably goes to Denver on something like AAV of 27ish mil a year, which will lead to fans talking about how he didn't get 30 (which seems outlandish given I haven't seen any credible projections saying he could get 30 a year). I think worst case scenario, he takes 25ish a year to go to Denver. Best case scenario who the hell knows. Median prob 27 a year. I'm just saying even after the huge Jimmy G. deal this year I don't see Kirk blowing that out the water.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189261]I welcome your other posts. You've had some good ones.[/QUOTE]Thanks for letting me know that my other post are ok by you.

By the way Kirk is only part of the problem with what happened. His agent who used to be an Eagles personnel guy I also hold responsible and Shanahan.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189264]Without seeing the full discussion, I think you're oversimplifying it here. Skins did him dirty by never offering him a fair deal until they were backed into a corner. When it was time for the two parties to meet and negotiate fairly the Skins tried to be cheap and it cost them.

But it's done now, so we have to move on. We have Alex Smith, who clearly wants to be here.

G1, I meant that for all the PC talk Kirk did (I'm leaving it to my agent, I don't want to talk contracts right now, etc.) he never came out and said "I want to be here long-term." Even Chris Thompson was talking about how he never got that feeling from him.

I think the timeline was something along the lines of: Kirk finally clicks as a starter, we cheap on the initial offer, Kirk feels slighted, probably doesn't feel wanted by the FO esp. after McC leaves, decides to only play for us if we keep tagging him which we do until it becomes untenable. Now he will walk in FA and if the lack of suitors is to be believed, probably goes to Denver on something like AAV of 27ish mil a year, which will lead to fans talking about how he didn't get 30 (which seems outlandish given I haven't seen any credible projections saying he could get 30 a year). I think worst case scenario, he takes 25ish a year to go to Denver. Best case scenario who the hell knows. Median prob 27 a year. I'm just saying even after the huge Jimmy G. deal this year I don't see Kirk blowing that out the water.[/QUOTE]With over 1000 posts in this topic I think all the points on all the sides have been overly expanded on, so if I simplify at this point, c'est la vie. The FO isn't blameless but KC isn't either.

15 days...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189268]With over 1000 posts in this topic I think all the points on all the sides have been overly expanded on, so if I simplify at this point, c'est la vie. The FO isn't blameless but KC isn't either.

15 days...[/quote]

we agree,see that wasn't hard.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189258]Jeez, did you even take the time to read anything posted on the other 53 Kirk Cousins threads before you joined this board? History didn't start with you. Your revival of stuff we've covered a hundred times is very annoying. I can't believe that other posters are actually going over this same stuff again and again with you. It's as if we've been listening to [I]In a Gadda Da Vita[/I] continuously for fifty years. Plus, you're probably going to break the all-time posting record for someone in his first month on the board by re-hashing all this ancient history. He's gone. We've replaced him. You can stop trashing the man now.[/quote]

[B]IN A GADDA DA VITA![/B] LOL, love it!



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4[/url]

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[quote=Dan73;1189259]Do you feel better?

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Being a jerk won’t help your cause here either.

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Dan73,

I apologize for blaming you for reviving this thread. My uncalled for comments about your posts were simply not true. This thread has a life of its own and it would have continued if you had never posted on it.

But that's not the point. The point is I was wrong to direct any criticism towards you at all. Just because I want to move on from Kirk doesn't mean that anyone else should feel the way I do. I shouldn't have clicked on this thread to begin with and I certainly shouldn't have posted anything at all about what you choose to post.

From now on, I'll strive to keep my mind open and my mouth shut about other posters.

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Hopefully on March 7th this thread can be closed as he will officially have no chance of being part of the team and any further discussion about him can be in the general NFL thread where every othere non Skins story is discussed.

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lol at anyone who thinks Cousins talk ends on March 7

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[quote=MTK;1189277]lol at anyone who thinks Cousins talk ends on March 7[/quote]

For real. I still see people bring up Jason Campbell every now and then.

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[quote=MTK;1189277]lol at anyone who thinks Cousins talk ends on March 7[/quote]

I have a parlay riding on it

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[quote=MTK;1189277]lol at anyone who thinks Cousins talk ends on March 7[/quote]

Hey, don't kill my dreams man.

And I didn't say we would stop talking about him, just that he wouldn't have his own thread. If you're not on the team you should not have a personal thread. He will be a general NFL player.

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[quote=Dan73;1189266]Thanks for letting me know that my other post are ok by you.

By the way Kirk is only part of the problem with what happened. His agent who used to be an Eagles personnel guy I also hold responsible and Shanahan.

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Seriously, how is Kirk's agent at fault for anything???

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189275]Dan73,

I apologize for blaming you for reviving this thread. My uncalled for comments about your posts were simply not true. This thread has a life of its own and it would have continued if you had never posted on it.

But that's not the point. The point is I was wrong to direct any criticism towards you at all. Just because I want to move on from Kirk doesn't mean that anyone else should feel the way I do. I shouldn't have clicked on this thread to begin with and I certainly shouldn't have posted anything at all about what you choose to post.

From now on, I'll strive to keep my mind open and my mouth shut about other posters.[/QUOTE]No worries.

I go out and look for articles on past stuff anyways.

Yesterday I was reading up on the Fassel drama.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189283]Seriously, how is Kirk's agent at fault for anything???[/QUOTE]If he has over sold Kirk on his value then he shares part of the blame.

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[quote=Dan73;1189286]If he has over sold Kirk on his value then he shares part of the blame.

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He is Kirk's agent, over selling Kirk is exactly his job.

If he wasn't, Kirk should fire him and get someone who would.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189298]He is Kirk's agent, over selling Kirk is exactly his job.

If he wasn't, Kirk should fire him and get someone who would.

Wow. Just wow.[/QUOTE]Not if he is lying to his client. Telling him he is worth more money then he is.

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[quote=Dan73;1189300]Not if he is lying to his client. Telling him he is worth more money then he is.

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What has kirk ranked in average annual value among qbs the past 2 years?

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[quote=Dan73;1189300]Not if he is lying to his client. Telling him he is worth more money then he is.

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[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2017/average/quarterback/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]

He has averaged better than top 10 in AAV over the last two years as a good not great QB.

Seems like his agent is doing really well seeing as how his sole job is to get his client paid.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189286]If he has over sold Kirk on his value then he shares part of the blame.

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I get what you are trying to say, in terms of KC and his value absent the FT. But the fact is Kirk could walk away now and have pocketed over 50 million on his first contract as a 4th rounder. In the current CBA era, any agent that told him to do otherwise would not have been doing him any favors either. It's just as plausible his agent was telling him that, while the Skins offer was low his record and bad games could be keep the offers from reaching the value of the franchise tag and the Skins oline is a good pass protecting line so the risk was worth the upfront cash and let FA come later.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/this-agent-may-help-kirk-cousins-become-the-nfls-highest-paid-quarterback/2018/02/28/6ae06f40-18d0-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.ea5802ebf5d4[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189364][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/this-agent-may-help-kirk-cousins-become-the-nfls-highest-paid-quarterback/2018/02/28/6ae06f40-18d0-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.ea5802ebf5d4[/url][/QUOTE]


Nah man, vet min at best

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[quote=MTK;1189365]Nah man, vet min at best[/quote]

I'd say he will sign a deal with Vytautas and play for Lavar Ball.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189364][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/this-agent-may-help-kirk-cousins-become-the-nfls-highest-paid-quarterback/2018/02/28/6ae06f40-18d0-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.ea5802ebf5d4[/url][/quote]

any chance you can sum it up? I get a blocked access.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189381]any chance you can sum it up? I get a blocked access.[/quote]

It's long as shit, but basically he's a money expert and contract guru and Kirk will get HIS DEAL no matter what.

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Doug Williams said Cousins is a free agent. He said that they haven't talked about tagging Cousins. Said it's not too late, but that it was really something the media's taking about and not been said in any meetings.

That probably settles that.

[url]https://youtu.be/1FagS8Jd8nc[/url]

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[quote=WillH;1189399]Doug Williams said Cousins is a free agent. He said that they haven't talked about tagging Cousins. Said it's not too late, but that it was really something the media's taking about and not been said in any meetings.

That probably settles that.

[url]https://youtu.be/1FagS8Jd8nc[/url]

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normally i would say dont believe a single breath that comes out of this front offices collective mouth, but in this case, it's most likely true.

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Fresh thread time