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[quote=GridIron26;1283254]FrenchSkins, thanks for the posts. I agree with the Jackson post, he will be a great addition to the defense.

I just found an interesting nugget about Scherff and contract talks - there is one podcast that had an interview with Logan Paulson (our old TE) recently, he said that Scherff wasn't happy with the new extension contract offered by WFT so he wants to move on from WFT. I don't know if Paulson has the latest info but he knows Scherff so who knows..[/quote]

RR said hes had no communication with Scherffs agent ... should have let him walk this year or done something to not let it get to this point.

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[quote=GridIron26;1283255]For those fans who are upset with WFT for not drafting a QB - read this [URL="https://www.espn.com/blog/washington/post/_/id/41397/washingtons-plan-build-roster-until-the-right-long-term-qb-arrives"]nice article[/URL] by Keim about WFT's plans for the QB position.[/quote]

It's a good point that what ever we debate about the picks this year, all of last years picks are still with the team. It doesn't mean a hell of a lot as some of them haven't seen the field yet, but it's a good sign of how we're building. If Fitz does well enough this year I have no issue if they keep him on again and not forcing a QB pick again like Haskins.

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[quote=SunnySide;1283263]RR said hes had no communication with Scherffs agent ... should have let him walk this year or done something to not let it get to this point.[/quote]

Include him in the Rodgers deal.

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[quote=SunnySide;1283262]Nice video posts French. Im excited for jackson and also thought Scherff was a plus player but didnt have his personal best year ... was then made all -pro ..[/quote]

Yop, the thing is All Pro seems to be way more legit than Pro Bowl, but from what I understood it's still sports writers making the selection, so I have a hard time seeing how they can't be somewhat wrong from time to time. Like not wrong on the player, but not watching EVERY player from EVERY team enough to actually know if they had their best season or not.
Anyway, maybe we're just wrong on this, one bad play doesn't reflect all of one season's snaps, my point was just to show why I had this idea in mind.

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washington-football-team-announces-fedex-field-will-have-full-stadium-capacity-in-2021/[/url]

WFT Announce Fed Ex stadium will have full stadium capacity



Full capacity, which is absolutely the correct call. Good…this dub feels just like last weekend.

Can’t wait to see those Redskins flags waving in the parking lots…

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[quote=SunnySide;1283263]RR said hes had no communication with Scherffs agent ... should have let him walk this year or done something to not let it get to this point.[/quote]


I guess we'll get a compensatory pick with him leaving via FA?

I have no idea how all that works though.

It seems like we have a lot of O-Linemen on the roster that could absorb losing him. I'd rather put that money towards resigning Allen, or pushing it toward a long term deal with Payne.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1283263]RR said hes had no communication with Scherffs agent ... should have let him walk this year or done something to not let it get to this point.[/QUOTE]Then how was tagging him a good move ?
Ok, I'll let it go at some point, promise...

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[quote=Chico23231;1283349][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washington-football-team-announces-fedex-field-will-have-full-stadium-capacity-in-2021/[/url]

WFT Announce Fed Ex stadium will have full stadium capacity



Full capacity, which is absolutely the correct call. Good…this dub feels just like last weekend.

Can’t wait to see those Redskins flags waving in the parking lots…[/quote]

Great! I was thinking I wouldn't get to take my son to a game this year. Let's hope they don't pull some political BS and ask for health records to enter.


I'll be there singing HTTR after every score!

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I'm sure any sort of large stadium gathering is going to require proof of vaccination for the foreseeable future. It's not political BS it's just smart.

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We will see but this is an absolute step in the right direction. If vaccines work, then your behavior should reflect it

Looking at the reactions to Texas rangers opening at full capacity killed a lot of the bs narratives. The lefties pundits cried and have been effectively silenced

The Texas Rangers opened Globe Life Field a month ago. There’s been no COVID spike
[url]https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article251216364.html[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1283397]We will see but this is an absolute step in the right direction. If vaccines work, then your behavior should reflect it

Looking at the reactions to Texas rangers opening at full capacity killed a lot of the bs narratives. The lefties pundits cried and have been effectively silenced

The Texas Rangers opened Globe Life Field a month ago. There’s been no COVID spike
[url]https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article251216364.html[/url][/quote]

I'm starting to lean towards outdoors sporting events are probably safer than opening a indoor place like an NBA/NHL game, but even those will be safer as vaccination numbers rise. If you're high risk and vaccinated you should probably play it safe and stay home though.

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I wish these "reporters" out there would stop linking AROD to us... It's noy going to happen, yeah I'd love it because he'd make us a legit SB team but he has openly said he wants to play out west.

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If the Packers get to the point where they are serious about trading him, we sure as hell better make an offer.

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[quote=MTK;1283406]If the Packers get to the point where they are serious about trading him, we sure as hell better make an offer.[/quote]

As talented as he is, I don’t want his level of diva-ness anywhere near this team. My brother lives right outside Green Bay and it is well known that Aaron is an @sshole of major proportions.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283407]As talented as he is, I don’t want his level of diva-ness anywhere near this team. My brother lives right outside Green Bay and it is well known that Aaron is an @sshole of major proportions.[/quote]

Yeah and he's also the reigning MVP and one of the best QBs of all time that would make us an instant and serious Super Bowl contender. I'll take that even if he is an asshole.

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[quote=MTK;1283406]If the Packers get to the point where they are serious about trading him, we sure as hell better make an offer.[/quote]

The "proposed offer" I've seen on ESPN was 3 first and Fitz lol GB is not taking Fitz first of all, 2nd of all 3 1's for a 38 YO ? That's a lot

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1283409]The "proposed offer" I've seen on ESPN was 3 first and Fitz lol GB is not taking Fitz first of all, 2nd of all 3 1's for a 38 YO ? That's a lot[/quote]

He could easily play high level ball for another 3-4 years. I think that's worth the price to be in the Super Bowl conversation for the next few years.

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When Charles Leno (LT) was cut by the Bears last week, I said we should bring him in for a look.


Well, he's visiting us first. Would be a good signing.

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[quote=MTK;1283410]He could easily play high level ball for another 3-4 years. I think that's worth the price to be in the Super Bowl conversation for the next few years.[/quote]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/3kGP2Ln.gif[/IMG]

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Yeah let's build it the right way, whatever that means.

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[quote=MTK;1283408]Yeah and he's also the reigning MVP and one of the best QBs of all time that would make us an instant and serious Super Bowl contender. I'll take that even if he is an asshole.[/quote]

I mean Brady can be a huge asshole as well (see how he drove Jimmy G. out of town in NE), but I would have welcomed him with open arms had he come here.

I don't get why fans of this organization want EVERYTHING to be perfect. I'll take 2-3 years of potential deep playoff runs with Rodgers than whatever Fitz can bring.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1283426]I mean Brady can be a huge asshole as well (see how he drove Jimmy G. out of town in NE), but I would have welcomed him with open arms had he come here.

I don't get why fans of this organization want EVERYTHING to be perfect. I'll take 2-3 years of potential deep playoff runs with Rodgers than whatever Fitz can bring.[/quote]

That sounds cool. So you trade 2 firsts and a second for him, we lose in OT in the divisional round year one and he decided a to retire and host Jeopardy....is that worth trading all those pics?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283406]If the Packers get to the point where they are serious about trading him, we sure as hell better make an offer.[/QUOTE]I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283427]That sounds cool. So you trade 2 firsts and a second for him, we lose in OT in the divisional round year one and he decided a to retire and host Jeopardy....is that worth trading all those pics?[/quote]

I don't think a competitive guy like Rodgers would hang it up, especially at the level that he is playing at right now.

You're nitpicking a somewhat unlikely scenario IMO, which proves my point that fans want everything to be perfect. In your case, you want a risk-free situation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283428]I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both [B]Denver and LV[/B] would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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That would depend if: a) Rodgers wants to go to either of these teams, and b.) does he want to go up against Mahommes and the Chiefs every year?

Wilson and Rodgers are being influenced what happened to Brady this year (except that they are not free agents) - pick a team with talent in a winnable division, where you have an easier path to the SB.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1283430]That would depend if: a) Rodgers wants to go to either of these teams, and b.) does he want to go up against Mahommes and the Chiefs every year?



Wilson and Rodgers are being influenced what happened to Brady this year (except that they are not free agents) - pick a team with talent in a winnable division, where you have an easier path to the SB.[/QUOTE]I believe the buzz is that he wants to go to Denver/LV. Also, from GB's perspective, that would put him out of the conference so GB would only go against him if they meet in the SB. If he signs here they would face him this regular season and potentially in the playoffs.

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It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283432]It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.[/QUOTE]I would be happy enough to see him join the team, I just don't think it is a realistic option.

He would certainly change the media/vegas expectations of our club!

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[quote=MTK;1283432]It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.[/quote]

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

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[quote=missouriskin;1283434]it’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a qb and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.[/quote]

exactly.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283434]It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.[/quote]

I don’t mind trading the farm for a for sure thing like Rodgers or Wilson. But trading farm in draft no thanks. For the record I don’t mind trading up to get your guy just not an RG3 style trade.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283434]It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.[/quote]

I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1283438]I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.[/quote]

When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?

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Might be weird, but I completely understand the thinking behind trading for Rodgers, and I'm not calling it crazy, because being an instant SB contender does have some appeal... But I'm still strongly against it.
And it's not about some sort of moral compass telling me what's "right" and "wrong" in building a team.
It's actually about winning. Long term.

I don't want to be a 2-3 years wonder. I want to make the playoffs 85% of the time, and have a chance at the big thing several times a decade.

I saw an other offer being 2 firsts, 2 seconds, Fitz and Ioannidis.
My issue is, as many said before, with how the cap works, we KNOW we won't be able to resign all of Allen, Payne, Young, Sweat, Terry etc... (Especially if we have a nearly 40M/yr QB) So we're gonna NEED some high draft picks to replace them. Because if we don't, regardless of how this 2-3 years ride goes... We're kinda back to the basement... and I don't want that...

Oh and btw we don't have 37M of available cap space, so who you cutting ?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283428]I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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Draft and develop.

I believe Green Bay, much like the Texans, is not going to be bullied.

They'll sit Rodgers and start Love and never look back.

The media needs something to talk about.

You can understand Rodgers' frustration, McCarthy hosing deep playoff runs with his incompetence, the inexcusable secondary issues that lost games, etc. Rodgers has done his part, and then some, and been hosed by coaching and teammates, but GB will probably not win anymore SBs while he is there.

You can also see with a young actress wife and his eyes on Jeopardy, an east or west coast venue, a city with more culture, is extremely appealing. You think some wife used to the glamour and culture of LA or NY wants to move to Green Bay? Not a chance.

The fact is he signed a contract though, and he isn't bullying his way out any more than Wilson, Watson, etc. The NFL is structured so that the owners hold virtually all the power. As with Watson, they can go after his bonus money and hose him financially, though he might not care about $20-$30M and can certainly afford to eat that shitburger in a way Watson couldn't (especially now with legal fees and settlements from HandjobGate).

It is an interesting decision. Suppose Rodgers has 5 years left, ala Brady. Do you trade a 1st and 2nd for 5 years of a surefire HOF QB, probably one of the 10-20 best to ever play the game? You could make compelling arguments both ways. If our FO was willing to give up a 1st and another high pick for Stafford, is 2 #1s for Rodgers ridiculous? I don't know. 38 is really old for any NFL player. With one more good draft and Rodgers, we are a legit deep playoff contender, though we still need some true stars to be a SB contender, besides Chase Young. Even if you hit on a late 1st round pick, and get a true franchise QB, very low odds he is a HOF QB of Rodgers caliber. Interesting decision.

I don't think Rodgers whining about Love is resentment of competition, but rather resentment of not doing everything to help him win a few more SBs, and spending those resources on a better supporting cast.

All a moot point. Rodgers isn't going anywhere. Green Bay is going to tell him he is under contract and not budge, period. His two choices are to retire or play for GB, and all his whining to the media won't change that. This is especially true if you understand the fanatical culture in GB. You might as well look for a unicorn as talk about trading for Rodgers, unless the offer is so obscene it makes no sense (three #1s plus more). The problem then is Rodgers has none of the supporting cast he wants anyway because the resources expended to get him make this impossible. Rodgers is in a Catch 22.

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1283442]When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?[/QUOTE]



In all fairness it was never for a guy like Rodgers.

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Just like D Watson (before the curtain was pulled back), if Rodgers wants out - ultimately he'll get what he wants.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283442]When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?[/quote]

I can understand being trigger shy no doubt. The three most recent trades that come to mind were McNabb, RG3, and Alex Smith. They all ended pretty poorly for us. McNabb was flat out bad. 2012 was magical until RG3 tried to be a pocket passer in the Seattle playoff game and basically ended his career. I still think I had reservations about his longevity but it is hard to think back a decade. The Alex Smith trade looked ok. We were winning the division and while we weren't wowing statistically. Alex Smith's leadership is undeniable but that was a fluke accident.

IDK I think I would pull the trigger on Rodgers far more of a for sure thing than any of those three QBs. I look at Tampa they went 7-9 basically same team just add Brady and a bit of Gronk and suddenly Super Bowl Champs and favorites this year.

If we had Rodgers we would be in the NFC title game next year no doubt in my mind.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283351]Then how was tagging him a good move ?
Ok, I'll let it go at some point, promise...

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I concur.
The only scenario I see is if we trade him (ha, ha) or don't intend to sign high priced FAs next year.
This year we might get no comp because our other high-priced FAs would probably cancel him out.
I don't think the FO is being that clever. I think they looked at a roster with 20 holes on it, and couldn't address everything, so paid Scherff and will address G next year if he leaves. Keep in mind, FO could not know Flowers would be available for certain. Not defending the decision, but that's what I think thought process was. Basically, never-healthy Scherff wants a deal that pays about $7M less, on average, of what Jackson AND Samuel make combined.
I think next year you clear Collins and Scherff off books and lock up Allen and Payne long term.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1283466]I can understand being trigger shy no doubt. The three most recent trades that come to mind were McNabb, RG3, and Alex Smith. They all ended pretty poorly for us. McNabb was flat out bad. 2012 was magical until RG3 tried to be a pocket passer in the Seattle playoff game and basically ended his career. I still think I had reservations about his longevity but it is hard to think back a decade. The Alex Smith trade looked ok. We were winning the division and while we weren't wowing statistically. Alex Smith's leadership is undeniable but that was a fluke accident.

IDK I think I would pull the trigger on Rodgers far more of a for sure thing than any of those three QBs. I look at Tampa they went 7-9 basically same team just add Brady and a bit of Gronk and suddenly Super Bowl Champs and favorites this year.

If we had Rodgers we would be in the NFC title game next year no doubt in my mind.[/quote]

Rodgers won't be available unless someone makes GB a PREPOSTEROUS offer. We would be in a 3-8 team bidding war. The cost would be ridiculous. Anyone who thinks GB budging is dreaming. They'll let him sit and eat the shitburger, period.