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[quote=Chico23231;1290476]When a Democrat general is committing treason, it’s all good round these parts. Of course this was a year ago…mooby, SS, g1 etc would be yelling about impeachment.

They should release the phone transcripts right? We all can agree on that


My knee jerk take is, it’s hard to believe the story. Its just hard to trust this media…and I have doubts.[/quote]

I'm holding off in taking a position one way or another with Milley as it is only allegations. If he did what was reported I have a mixed outlook - Sometimes military officers may have to fall on their swords - if this is what he did this is a fall on his sword action yet he didn't follow thru so that would be a serious problem.

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FFS

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/here-is-how-much-the-california-recall-election-cost-2021-9"]The failed attempt to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom cost California taxpayers $276 million[/URL]

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One of my favorite things about this site, is that sometimes a lot of you piss me off in the moment (and I know I do the same to y'all) in the political threads. But if I step away for a second and come back, I still like everyone, no matter how much we might disagree. And in the internet comment era, it's pretty impressive what we have all built here.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1290476]When a Democrat general is committing treason, it’s all good round these parts. Of course this was a year ago…mooby, SS, g1 etc would be yelling about impeachment.

They should release the phone transcripts right? We all can agree on that


My knee jerk take is, it’s hard to believe the story. Its just hard to trust this media…and I have doubts.[/QUOTE]


Treason. Lol. Well shit Trump called it treason so it must be treason. Jesus fuckin christ Chico. Please stop being his damn echo chamber. Its gross. There was no treason. None. Only a threat that a man baby was gonna throw a nuclear temper tantrum cus he lost an election.

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It is so classic everytime Trump comes back into the news everyone around him was a trader, a crook, a liar - generals, politicians, don’t matter who. Its not Trump - its everyone else. Lol. Chico u ever actually say wait a minute “maybe there is something to this Trump is a dangerous slimeball thing”. Or you gonna just keep accusing Generals and everyone else around him who didn’t kiss the ring? Everyone in his orbit goes to jail and you say Trump had no idea! Everyone who doesn’t bow down to him or questions his sanity is a trader. Its amazing. All these generals, and Intelligence people who served our country on the battlefield and elsewhere for years and years but they are actually traders and Donald Trump is the innocent hero who has uncovered all the wrong ? Gtfoh with that fuckin bullshit.

General Milley probably saved us from WW3 you should be thanking the man. Not complaining about trannys and treason.

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Fox news and Chico…
Milley took Chinas side over Trumps!

Real world …
Milley chose country over a rogue and mentally unstable man child with nuclear codes.

You would think the insurrection that he led after the fact would clue you in on how far he was willing to go to avoid accepting defeat but nope. We get a rant on trannys. Its fuckin crazy that you dont see it. Scary. Crazy.

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Here we are the wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere plenty of resources. So let’s deport thousands of people to the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere because of course they can take care of these refugees. We are great neighbors [url]https://www.democracynow.org/2021/9/20/haitian_asylum_seekers_mass_deportations[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1291623]Here we are the wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere plenty of resources. So let’s deport thousands of people to the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere because of course they can take care of these refugees. We are great neighbors [url]https://www.democracynow.org/2021/9/20/haitian_asylum_seekers_mass_deportations[/url][/quote]

And so, what you have today is that you have Haitians in Mexico, either who have been here since 2016 or people who are newly arriving from these South American countries, and they cannot get work permits, they cannot get jobs. It is a very difficult situation. Their families in the U.S. or elsewhere are the ones having to send money to them. They’re staying in hotels, where maybe it’s $15 U.S. a day. So, they are now at a point of desperation. But they don’t want to go back to Haiti. You know, for them, this is a country that’s unstable. This is a country with a whole gang situation. This is a country that has changed in the two years, the six years, the 10 years, the 14 years that they have been away. So they take this chance, based on these false rumors, in an attempt to come to the United States. And so, this is the difficulty that you’re finding.

^^ from the article you linked.

heart breaking ... im going to sound like a flip flopping asshole after my bleeding heart Tigray post .... but we have to enforce our immigration laws.

We cant have anyone and everyone just walk into our country.

I think a good bit of Trump and the far right motivations come from "white replacement fear" and "white rage" from that fear ... Trump is our last hope, Make America White Again really is the true slogan ....

but open borders would end this country as we know it.

If you seek asylum, it is supposed ot be at the country bordering your country. Dont get to travel through like 5 different countries to choose America as your "asylum claim" country.

They should be kept/stopped in mexico and from there, have their claim processed and considered. Im sure we give Mexcio a shot ton of money to keep them there at the border.

President Biden has fast tracked the asylum process to try and address the issue after Trump/Miller clogged the system to a halt.

Illegal immigration is a throny issue.

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[quote=punch it in;1291272]fox news and chico…
milley took chinas side over trumps!

Real world …
milley chose country over a rogue and mentally unstable man child with nuclear codes.

You would think the insurrection that he led after the fact would clue you in on how far he was willing to go to avoid accepting defeat but nope. We get a rant on trannys. Its fuckin crazy that you dont see it. Scary. Crazy.[/quote]

100% +1 !

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People are fucking dying under a bridge in a massive humanitarian crisis in Texas

And crickets here

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[quote=SunnySide;1291625]And so, what you have today is that you have Haitians in Mexico, either who have been here since 2016 or people who are newly arriving from these South American countries, and they cannot get work permits, they cannot get jobs. It is a very difficult situation. Their families in the U.S. or elsewhere are the ones having to send money to them. They’re staying in hotels, where maybe it’s $15 U.S. a day. So, they are now at a point of desperation. But they don’t want to go back to Haiti. You know, for them, this is a country that’s unstable. This is a country with a whole gang situation. This is a country that has changed in the two years, the six years, the 10 years, the 14 years that they have been away. So they take this chance, based on these false rumors, in an attempt to come to the United States. And so, this is the difficulty that you’re finding.

^^ from the article you linked.

heart breaking ... im going to sound like a flip flopping asshole after my bleeding heart Tigray post .... but we have to enforce our immigration laws.

We cant have anyone and everyone just walk into our country.

I think a good bit of Trump and the far right motivations come from "white replacement fear" and "white rage" from that fear ... Trump is our last hope, Make America White Again really is the true slogan ....

but open borders would end this country as we know it.

If you seek asylum, it is supposed ot be at the country bordering your country. Dont get to travel through like 5 different countries to choose America as your "asylum claim" country.

They should be kept/stopped in mexico and from there, have their claim processed and considered. Im sure we give Mexcio a shot ton of money to keep them there at the border.

President Biden has fast tracked the asylum process to try and address the issue after Trump/Miller clogged the system to a halt.

Illegal immigration is a throny issue.[/quote]

I guess I don't understand why it has to be an either or issue. I am not advocating for an open border, but to deport people to a country that has no leadership right now, just hit by an earth quake and then follow it up by a hurricane when we are much better equipped to handle their basic humanitarian needs right now is highly unethical imo.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291649]People are fucking dying under a bridge in a massive humanitarian crisis in Texas

And crickets here[/quote]

What took you so long to bring it up?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1291651]I guess I don't understand why it has to be an either or issue. I am not advocating for an open border, but to deport people to a country that has no leadership right now, just hit by an earth quake and then follow it up by a hurricane when we are much better equipped to handle their basic humanitarian needs right now is highly unethical imo.[/quote]

Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible.

-----------------------------------

Many said their only hope was to once again follow the long, arduous road of migration.

“I’m not going to stay in Haiti,” said Elène Jean-Baptiste, 28, who traveled with her 3-year-old son, Steshanley Sylvain, who was born in Chile and has a Chilean passport, and her husband, Stevenson Sylvain.

Many of the migrants who stepped off the plane Sunday have little to return to.

Claire Bazille left home in 2015, and had a job cleaning office buildings in Chile’s capital, Santiago. It wasn’t the dream life she had left Haiti to find, but she got by, even sending money home to her mother each month.

When Ms. Bazille heard that it was possible to enter the United States under the Biden administration, she left everything behind and headed north, joining other Haitians along the way.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/world/americas/us-haitian-deportation.html[/url]

^^ you have a job in Chile, son was born there with a Chile passport ... stay in Chile. You had a job, you presumably had a home, food, you had a life.

That is not conditions for seeking asylum.

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I am fine with denying asylum. I just don't understand deporting to a country at this very moment when the infrastructure is not in place. I see this as a positive feedback loop. In the long run this will create even more asylum/refugee seekers.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1291684]I am fine with denying asylum. I just don't understand deporting to a country at this very moment when the infrastructure is not in place. I see this as a positive feedback loop. In the long run this will create even more asylum/refugee seekers.[/quote]

I agree, Im starting to waffle a bit ... I just dont have a good solution.

Stay in mexico/Tijuana?
go back to Chile, Brazil and Venezuela where they are being viewed negatively?
Id safely guess we dont have 13k empty beds at our immigration centers.

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I don't have a solution either. Shitty situation. You are right it is not an excuse for asylum.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291649]People are fucking dying due to rampant misinformation on social media about coronavirus

And crickets here[/quote]

ftfy

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[quote=mooby;1291705]ftfy[/quote]

This is The Mooby Special.

Almost as good as stopping short.

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/AGghiQxOKBsAAAAC/frankcostanza-stoppedshort.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=SunnySide;1291668]Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... [B]and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible. [/B]

[/quote]

This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.

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[quote=mooby;1291707]This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.[/quote]



I agree we can't bring everyone in but there has to be a better way!

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Hey why can’t people follow our immigration laws and not come into the country illegally?

Why is following to laws always a problem?

What’s happening down there is bullshit and every single one should be deported and told to follow are existing immigration process.

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Securing the border with an existing immigration process is normal

People illegal crossing the border in a chaotic state is not normal

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Our government has fucked Americans, illegal immigrants, and immigrants trying to come legally, for years and years in regards to all things immigration related. This goes back a long time, well before even Obama was president. The whole process is a fucking embarrassment. Needs to be scrapped and built from the ground up. But both sides (politicians, not all voters) politicize this as much as possible. I don't believe either side in D.C. wants to fix it and/or they are too immature to try and fix it together.

In terms of legal immigration: I'd like a random lottery from every country in the world. If you want to come here you apply. Then the government keeps a database and researches everyone as best as possible. Once you pass your background check you go onto an approved list. Then at least a couple times per year you have a random lottery and pull from names that are approved. The people that win have a final background check then they are allowed to come here.

In terms of illegal immigration: if you come here illegally, you get sent back, that's it. You would obviously need to start this the date it gets implemented, or maybe back date it for a year or so. It's not realistic (and likely damaging to our state/local economies) to try to find people that came here illegally 5, 10, 20 years ago and send them back. For the people already here, use whatever laws/processes are available to get them greencards, etc. Or scrap it and come up with a more effective means to do it.

Refugees/Asylum seekers: America needs to have a clear definition of what qualifies for each of those. America is better than where I currently live doesn't qualify. And if you want to seek asylum, you follow international processes. Not skip over the whole western hemisphere and come straight to America.

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^ People coming from 3rd world countries are often tough to background check, a lot those countries don't keep good records as far as births and deaths go let alone other vital information like credit, arrests, etc.

If anyone had a good immigration solution I'd like to think it would have been figured out by now. It's an enormous issue with a ton of moving parts.

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Strangely this wasn’t an issue until January where we had a fucking idiot who told people to start coming once he was President which has lead this crisis.

How about follow the rules and laws of our country as you enter it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291715]Strangely this wasn’t an issue until January where we had a fucking idiot who told people to start coming once he was President which has lead this crisis.

How about follow the rules and laws of our country as you enter it.[/quote]

Really? Immigration just became an issue in January?

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[quote=MTK;1291714]^ People coming from 3rd world countries are often tough to background check, a lot those countries don't keep good records as far as births and deaths go let alone other vital information like credit, arrests, etc.

If anyone had a good immigration solution I'd like to think it would have been figured out by now. It's an enormous issue with a ton of moving parts.[/quote]

It would definitely be harder to get people from those countries onto an approved type list. They would most likely have to be monitored more closely when they got here due to limited access to their info from before they get here. But I don't want to leave legitimately good people from those countries out in the cold on possibly coming here to better their lives.

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[quote=MTK;1291716]Really? Immigration just became an issue in January?[/quote]

These historic numbers are an issue that the Biden administration caused by there bullshit policy. When you raise your hand and pledge free healthcare to illegals and announce once you are president to move to the border…

Yes this is a crisis Biden created

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[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/22/biden-warring-democratic-factions-513564[/url]

Biden Trying to be Peacemaker between warring Democrats

Dems have the presidency and congress…and they are in complete disarray. Wow

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[quote=Chico23231;1291750][url]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/22/biden-warring-democratic-factions-513564[/url]

Biden Trying to be Peacemaker between warring Democrats

Dems have the presidency and congress…and they are in complete disarray. Wow[/quote]

Who could've imagined progressives and moderates would disagree on hardline action?

Not I.

Implying this is some shocking piece of news when a coal country Dem can shut down any bill he desires (esp. a progressive one touting climate change reform) - only you Chico.

I keep telling myself - don't hit that keyboard - and yet here we are.

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[quote=mooby;1291758]Who could've imagined progressives and moderates would disagree on hardline action?

Not I.

Implying this is some shocking piece of news when a coal country Dem can shut down any bill he desires (esp. a progressive one touting climate change reform) - only you Chico.

I keep telling myself - don't hit that keyboard - and yet here we are.[/quote]

Dude, we have an infrastructure plan agreed too. Fuckin stop with the bullshit

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I am registered Dem but i am fairly middle of the road.

thought this was funny:

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/pt8p6w/hypocrisy_much/[/url]

I hate AOC as much as I hate Trump

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[quote=mredskins;1291767]I am registered Dem but i am fairly middle of the road.

thought this was funny:

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/pt8p6w/hypocrisy_much/[/url]

[B]I hate AOC as much as I hate Trump[/B][/quote]

I saw this but didn't want to post it. She is a piece of work. Just another hypocrite. I believe she also spends tons of money on private security for herself when she is all for defunding the police. Luckily she doesn't seem to have any actual power. She just gets lots of TV time.

To the part in bold: Damn, that is some real hate lol

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[quote=mredskins;1291767]I am registered Dem but i am fairly middle of the road.

thought this was funny:

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/pt8p6w/hypocrisy_much/[/url]

I hate AOC as much as I hate Trump[/quote]

Speaking of con man, AOC folks.

I think the funniest thing is she only owes everything to this great country because she wouldn’t get this opportunity in any other country in the world PERIOD

no where else

She a fraud and her positions on policies are far and away more dangerous than anything Trump said or did.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291765]Dude, we have an infrastructure plan agreed too. Fuckin stop with the bullshit[/quote]

What bullshit is that? I'm as disappointed as you are that the progressives are holding up a bill the moderates and conservatives have agreement on.

Just saying you keep touting this "Dems hold all 3 branches of office" like it's this indicator that we can do anything when the reality is literally all Dems have to be in agreement to pass any one thing. It's as fragile a "lead" as it gets.

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lol AOC wears a dress and gets conservatives all hot and bothered. Let me know when she starts inciting riots at the Capitol and we might have something to actually talk about.

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[quote=MTK;1291790]lol AOC wears a dress and gets conservatives all hot and bothered. Let me know when she starts inciting riots at the Capitol and we might have something to actually talk about.[/quote]

This type post is exactly why I didn't bother saying anything when I read about. No point for any conversative to point anything out about someone like AOC here.

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Listen I'd love to know how as the Rep for the 14th district of NY she has been more "dangerous" to the country than Trump.

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[quote=MTK;1291803]Listen I'd love to know how as the Rep for the 14th district of NY she has been more "dangerous" to the country than Trump.[/quote]

I'll let Chico answer that one, as I didn't say that.

But in general, politicians should be held accountable for all of their actions, even if someone else is worse. The worst should not be used as the baseline for accountability. Otherwise there won't be any accountability.

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Of course, hold her accountable for her actions all day. Just don't try to sell me that she's worse than Trump. That's absurd.