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An excerpt from Jeffrey Goldberg's article in The Atlantic; I think he's calling us punks. At any rate, something to think about next time you throw Dan Snyder your hard-earned money.

[I]All of this is a shame. Redskins fans deserve better but don't do anything about it. I hope Washington grows up and realizes that it shouldn't tolerate obnoxious behavior. Unfortunately Washingtonians are scared and passive when it comes to joining together in protest or fighting The Man, even if he's stupid, greedy and ridiculous.

Pray for them.[/I]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/08/AR2011020805137.html]Jason Reid - With his lawsuit against Washington City Paper, Daniel Snyder continues to put the Redskins in a negative light[/url]

The view from a legal perspective.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/redskinsvideo?PID=_RRMJTjEFA9Jw3HQj8XyRXpHoHIT0KP2]CSNwashington.com: Washington Redskins Video[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;782646]On the subject of DS' religion, I haven't checked, but I'm pretty damn sure he's the 1st Redskins owner that's Jewish. This is historically significant but doesn't get any attention due to the history of the Skins & their fanbase.[/quote]

Why is that historical? Because of his religion? That's the problem with us today. We put to much emphasis on "first black president" or "first asian _____" or "first latin ____". Really, who gives a shit whether or president is black or our NFL owner is Jewish. I could give a rats ass what color our owner is or what false god he worships. What I do care about is how our team is represented, by him, both on and off the field. Period.

[quote=Longtimefan;783220][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020602499.html]Courtland Milloy - Snyder's devil is in the details - and a name[/url][/quote]

Good article.

[quote=tryfuhl;783259]he's really focused on changing the name huh[/quote]

I don't think it's so much he cares about the name as much as he's pointing out Dan's hypocrisy in crying over a "racist image" when he himself has images and names that other have deemed "racist." He's right.

[quote=skinsguy;783390] Let's also remember that Lions, Tigers, and Bears (OH MY) [/quote]

Well played. 9.9/10

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[quote=freddyg12;783803]Media wrap up of reaction to the suit:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/02/the_hits_just_keep_coming_over.html]The Early Lead - The hits just keep coming over Dan Snyder's City Paper lawsuit[/url]

The recurring theme; he can't win in court & this is doing more to damage his rep than help it. I'd say that's on par w/the reaction here.[/quote]

I think him doing those radio bits were a horrible idea as well. Not only did he get up there and flat out lie about the situation, but he had his scapegoat (Wyllie) named just in case shit hit the fan. Guess what. It did. This is another case were I believe Dan Snyder is doing what Dan Snyder wants, and not listening to what the advice he's been given. I highly doubt this PR guy is behind this shit, much like I don't believe many of those FA signings were Vinnys. He has to have a fall guy.

If people don't understand how Snyder works, then review some of his history. He's made a fortune by buying other acquisitions and reselling (among illegal practices) them for a profit.



[quote=SkinDogg;783876]An excerpt from Jeffrey Goldberg's article in The Atlantic; I think he's calling us punks. At any rate, something to think about next time you throw Dan Snyder your hard-earned money.

[I]All of this is a shame. Redskins fans deserve better but don't do anything about it. I hope Washington grows up and realizes that it shouldn't tolerate obnoxious behavior. Unfortunately Washingtonians are scared and passive when it comes to joining together in protest or fighting The Man, even if he's stupid, greedy and ridiculous.

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Aside from the gear that I already own. I do not support Dan Snyder anymore(in terms of tickets/food/etc). I'll cheer on my Skins each and every week from the view of a TV which is usually at a bar (or free online). Most people will continue to support him much like this guy says. It's the same with anything really (even our politics). Nobody wants to be the guy to make a stand. Some hilarious things I hear regularly is how people continue to purchase season tickets ONLY because it's been in the family for X amount of years, or I've spent too much money to give up now!!


The Redskins are up there in the Fan Cost Index (FCI) rankings, but display a shitty product. If anything, he needs to be reducing prices. At some point, you need to say. Listen, enough is enough.

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This topic is getting old.

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When Snyder croaks I wonder if the estate taxes will be so high that his widow/family will be forced to sell the team? I wonder if we can imitate the Egyptians and revolt to force him out? Can Snyder be tricked into selling the team? Will inception be possible ten years from now?

Sigh.

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[quote=NC_Skins;784010][B]Why is that historical? Because of his religion? That's the problem with us today. We put to much emphasis on "first black president" or "first asian _____" or "first latin ____". Really, who gives a shit whether or president is black or our NFL owner is Jewish.[/B] I could give a rats ass what color our owner is or what false god he worships. What I do care about is how our team is represented, by him, both on and off the field. Period.



Good article.



I don't think it's so much he cares about the name as much as he's pointing out Dan's hypocrisy in crying over a "racist image" when he himself has images and names that other have deemed "racist." He's right.



Well played. 9.9/10[/quote]

It's historically significant because such things are milestones. These are things that couldn't happen under the rules just 40 -50 years ago. So anytime something happens that wasn't allowed under previous law, it is historically significant. I'm certainly not saying it should be dwelled upon as much as it is in some cases, but is is unavoidable to a degree, e.g. Obama will always carry the distinction & burden. Due to our history, Americans may put too much emphasis on such milestones, but it's also a sign of social progress that many are proud of.

In Snyder's case, its largely gone unoticed, but now for many fans his only public association w/his religion is a negative one, as he is playing the anti-semite card.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784033]This topic is getting old.[/quote]

I have a feeling it will remain an issue though until there's a resolution. When that will be is hard to say.

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[quote=Longtimefan;784049]I have a feeling it will remain an issue though until there's a resolution. When that will be is hard to say.[/quote]

Agreed. It's just that I was reading JReid's article and thought..."I really should not care about this issue".

And honestly, I don't. To me, this is not a Redskins issue. Snyder happens to be the owner of the Redskins. But it is easy for me to see this as an issue between a semi-public figure in the DC area and a small newspaper. Now granted, I know everyone doesn't see it this way. But whether he wins or loses, it's just not an issue that will directly affect the way the Redskins will play or what will they do in the offseason.

A much bigger issue that will affect the Redskins? The possibility of not having a football season in 2011.

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[quote=NC_Skins;784020]I think him doing those radio bits were a horrible idea as well. Not only did he get up there and flat out lie about the situation, but he had his scapegoat (Wyllie) named just in case shit hit the fan. Guess what. It did. This is another case were I believe Dan Snyder is doing what Dan Snyder wants, and not listening to what the advice he's been given. I highly doubt this PR guy is behind this shit, much like I don't believe many of those FA signings were Vinnys. He has to have a fall guy.

If people don't understand how Snyder works, then review some of his history. He's made a fortune by buying other acquisitions and reselling [B](among illegal practices[/B]) them for a profit.





Aside from the gear that I already own. I do not support Dan Snyder anymore(in terms of tickets/food/etc). I'll cheer on my Skins each and every week from the view of a TV which is usually at a bar (or free online). Most people will continue to support him much like this guy says. It's the same with anything really (even our politics). Nobody wants to be the guy to make a stand. Some hilarious things I hear regularly is how people continue to purchase season tickets ONLY because it's been in the family for X amount of years, or I've spent too much money to give up now!!


The Redskins are up there in the Fan Cost Index (FCI) rankings, but display a shitty product. If anything, he needs to be reducing prices. At some point, you need to say. Listen, enough is enough.[/quote]

Please share what these illegal practicies are.

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[quote=firstdown;784051]Please share what these illegal practicies are.[/quote]

The illegal practices of slamming (one of the main focuses of this lawsuit). His company (and verizon) was fined in 2001 for the tune of 3.1 million along with this. This doesn't even included the acts that went on in California.

[quote]Under the Snyder/Verizon agreement, Snyder Direct Services, the division of Snyder Communications which marketed GTE’s long-distance in Florida, will shut down and forever cease all operations in Florida. Snyder Communications has in turn agreed to suspend all in-person solicitations of long-distance customers for 10 years. [/quote]


His lawyer is claiming they didn't own the company then, which is false. They owned the company when the investigation was going on and the fines were handed out for crimes (forging names) during the period he owned the company. They just sold the company before the judgment was handed down. That ploy where "oh, i'm the owner, i had no idea what went on" doesn't fly unfortunately. As a CEO, you are indeed responsible for the actions of your corporation.

Just so you have a idea on what really went on.

[quote]Generally, for every 10 people slammed, only one will actually call the PSC to complain, he said. With Verizon, the Office of Public Counsel estimated that more than 3,000 people were probably slammed.

[url=http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-02-03/news/0202020348_1_slamming-regulators-fines/2]Telephone Customers Still Being `Slammed' - Page 2 - Orlando Sentinel[/url]
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If you want more details on the illegal moves that Danny boy made, you can check out this thread here.
[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?343947-The-Phone-Slamming-King-How-Snyder-Communications-made-Dan-Snyder-rich-1997-1999-...-rich-enough-to-buy-the-Washington-Redskins]The Phone Slamming King: How Snyder Communications made Dan Snyder rich, 1997-1999 ... rich enough to buy the Washington Redskins[/url]

Dude has done some extensive search into the background of the SNC companies and has legal documents to prove it.

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:FIREdevil You know, I do make an appearance in that thread NC_Skins linked to.

I'm sure you all are capable of distinguishing between facts and opinion.

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and again, ES color scheme gives me massive headaches!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;784065]and again, ES color scheme gives me massive headaches![/quote]

Funny, I thought it would have been all the idiots....lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;784056]The illegal practices of slamming (one of the main focuses of this lawsuit). His company (and verizon) was fined in 2001 for the tune of 3.1 million along with this. This doesn't even included the acts that went on in California.




His lawyer is claiming they didn't own the company then, which is false. They owned the company when the investigation was going on and the fines were handed out for crimes (forging names) during the period he owned the company. They just sold the company before the judgment was handed down. That ploy where "oh, i'm the owner, i had no idea what went on" doesn't fly unfortunately. As a CEO, you are indeed responsible for the actions of your corporation.

Just so you have a idea on what really went on.



If you want more details on the illegal moves that Danny boy made, you can check out this thread here.
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?343947-The-Phone-Slamming-King-How-Snyder-Communications-made-Dan-Snyder-rich-1997-1999-...-rich-enough-to-buy-the-Washington-Redskins"]The Phone Slamming King: How Snyder Communications made Dan Snyder rich, 1997-1999 ... rich enough to buy the Washington Redskins[/URL]

Dude has done some extensive search into the background of the SNC companies and has legal documents to prove it.[/quote]

Sorry I asked. I don't really have time to read that crap. Thanks though.