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What are "poor presences"

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[quote=Landry44;794638]You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?[/quote]

It's not his mediocre play. It's his rare physical skill set. His ability to push the ball down field and extend plays. His experience running plays off play action. His accuracy outside the pocket (over 70% completion percentage outside the tackles). His mobility that will allow him to buy extra time.

Also I think you're reaching on the poor leadership skills. The average production and the accuracy problems are valid concerns but character wise the guy is about as good as it gets.

Per ESPN:
[quote]Outstanding competitor. Shows no fear. Will hang in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball on time. Teammates have tremendous respect for him as a leader. Proved numerous times in 2010 that he will play through injury.[/quote]

[quote]Drafted twice by MLB teams and signed a six-year rights agreement in 2009 with Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, who are paying his scholarship costs. Hard worker. Teammates and coaches have nothing but praise for him as a person and player. Determined to succeed.[/quote]

Most importantly above all, the guy who knows QB's (Shanahan) is reported to love him as a potential QB for this offense. Personally I think Lockers a bad fit for 90% of the league. However he has the intangibles and physical skill set to succeed and his combination of mobility and arm strength alone make him a great fit for a team that wants to run passes off of bootlegs and play action.

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[quote=Landry44;794638]You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?[/quote]


he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.

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[quote=cdskins26;794646]he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.[/quote]

I don't see it like that. For me it's more along the lines of

High Floor High Ceiling
........okay no one.

Medium Floor, Medium to High Ceiling
Blaine Gabbert
Andy Dalton
Christian Ponder

Low Floor, High Ceiling
Kaepernick

Low Floor, Ridiculously High Ceiling
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallet

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[quote=Landry44;794638]You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?[/quote]

there's also a general lack of quality passers in this years draft so taking the quarterback we most believe in may be the best we can do.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794641]It's not his mediocre play. It's his rare physical skill set. His ability to push the ball down field and extend plays. His experience running plays off play action. His accuracy outside the pocket (over 70% completion percentage outside the tackles). His mobility that will allow him to buy extra time.

Also I think you're reaching on the poor leadership skills. The average production and the accuracy problems are valid concerns but character wise the guy is about as good as it gets.

Per ESPN:




Most importantly above all, the guy who knows QB's (Shanahan) is reported to love him as a potential QB for this offense. Personally I think Lockers a bad fit for 90% of the league. However he has the intangibles and physical skill set to succeed and his combination of mobility and arm strength alone make him a great fit for a team that wants to run passes off of bootlegs and play action.[/quote]

If being able to run and passing the ball down field was all that was required of a qb Mike Vick would be the best qb in league and Jake Locker isn't have as talented as Vick. Jake Locker is poor leader because he doesn't make the players around him better. Jake Locker had a 55% completion percentage last year and that is not good at all. Jake Locker went up against mostly second and third tier teams and still didn't produce any big numbers or wins.

There is nothing rare about his skill set. Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick both possess the same skill set that on differences those guys are true leaders and better players. MS can love this kid all he wants. Remember this was the same guy that traded a second rounder and our fourth rounder this year for DMAC who he know longer wants on the team. Plus that was last year when people kinda of like Locker. What has he came out and said about Locker lately?

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[quote=GreekSkin;794649]there's also a general lack of quality passers in this years draft so taking the quarterback we most believe in may be the best we can do.[/quote]

Ryan Mallett is definitely a quality passer. In my opinion he's the best qb in this draft.

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but he's also a statue, something that the league as a whole seems to be moving away from when it comes to QB's.

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[quote=SmootSmack;794640]What are "poor presences"[/quote]

When ghosts appear in your house and ask you for loans, they are poor presences.

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[quote=Landry44;794638]You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?[/quote]Why so serious? What is about Jake Locke'rs great play in lifting an 0-12 team to a bowl game win that you don't see? Was is his ability to make bigtime throws in key situations and outstanding accuracy outside the pocket and on the move, 'great presences', elite arm strength and playmaking ability, quick release, great leadership skills, tunring around an entire football program?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794647]I don't see it like that. For me it's more along the lines of

High Floor High Ceiling
........okay no one.

Medium Floor, Medium to High Ceiling
Blaine Gabbert
Andy Dalton
Christian Ponder

Low Floor, High Ceiling
Kaepernick

Low Floor, Ridiculously High Ceiling
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallet[/quote]

I agree with this and it's why I keep coming back to Locker. I want a shot at someone who can be great not just good. And in spite of all his troubles...I would take a shot at Mallet also becasue he has franchise QB talent...just not at #10.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/20/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?eref=sihp]2011 NFL Mock Draft with Cam Newton, Marcell Dareus, more - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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My Mock

What we should do?

10th pick Robert Quinn OLB
43rd pick Jerrell Powe NT
5th rounder Austin Pettis WR Boise St
5th rounder Mike Arkin G Missouri State
6th rounder Evan Royster RB Penn State
7th rounder Justin Rogers CB Richmond
7th rounder Alex Henery K Nebraska
7th rounder Chase Beeler C Stanford

What will probably happen but shouldn't IMO

10th Pick Jake Locker
43rd pick Brooks Reed
5th rounder Jarvis Jenkins DT/DE
5th rounder Sione Fua NT
6 Royster
7 A WR you've never heard of
7 Another TE for no reason at all
7 An OLineman that won't make the team

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[quote=30gut;794674]Why so serious? What is about Jake Locke'rs great play in lifting an 0-12 team to a bowl game win that you don't see? Was is his ability to make bigtime throws in key situations and outstanding accuracy outside the pocket and on the move, 'great presences', elite arm strength and playmaking ability, quick release, great leadership skills, tunring around an entire football program?[/quote]
He didn't make anyone on his team better so how is it that he has great leadership skills? His team was sub 500 under his so called leadership. He has the ability(like many others) to make big throws but he rarely does. His accuracy is terrible that is why he had a 55% completion percentage. His whole college career has been mediocre at best. I have tons of evidence to support each one of these statements. Do you wish to challenge them?

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how do you know he didnt make anyone on his team better? have you ever thought that players on his team made him worse than he truly is?