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[quote=HailGreen28;1019902]I thought Gumbs was about the only one, in the secondary, lol. Hall made a couple. Has Crawford just not played well? Hard to see him losing out to guys like Minnifield. Our secondary personnel is playing average to bad, so far, IMO.[/quote]

Hopefully we generate enough pressure with the front 7 that it will be somewhat negated.

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yeah, i think we all thought leribeus was a big mistake at the time, and so far he hasn't exactly proved anyone wrong.


maybe he's a late bloomer, but i wouldn't be placing any bets on it.

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[quote=That Guy;1019910]yeah, i think we all thought leribeus was a big mistake at the time, and so far he hasn't exactly proved anyone wrong.


maybe he's a late bloomer, but i wouldn't be placing any bets on it.[/quote]

If he doesn't stop blowing up in the offseason he won't be around long. That seems to be his problem since highschool, he hits the offseason and does not prepare himself for the next year of football. You can't do that in the NFL it may have been ok in college but that won't fly in the pros.

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[quote=SBXVII;1019794]WOW, completely thought you were talking about Grossman all the way up to the last sentence. Limited? How? PW looked like RG3 running the scheme minus Mach 2 speed at running. I saw little difference The types of plays Rg3 ran last year and what PW was running in both games.

Grossman on the other hand looked to be running a basic offense, basic drop and throw with a lot less "option". Plus he's as slow as molasses[.][/quote]

Saw this and reminded me of this discussion. Hopefully, we are done with it very, very soon.

[url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/a-crash-course-in-the-pistol-formation-west-coast-offense-and-rg3-as-a-passer/]A Crash Course In The Pistol Formation, West Coast Offense, and RG3 as a Passer[/url]

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Yeah if LeRibeus fails us, it will sting worse if Gettis also can't make an impact. I optimistic we will find a starting RT and G in the draft, keep Tyler as a backup, and have competition with Chester. Then have FA to find a LDE, MLB, and S. I am worried enough with Tyler playing, can't really expect any OL injuries to not be a huge blow.

Has MHurt been active at all in preaseason games?
Replay of steelers game @4pm on nfl network

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Hurt is still on the PUP list.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1019962]Saw this and reminded me of this discussion. Hopefully, we are done with it very, very soon.

[url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/a-crash-course-in-the-pistol-formation-west-coast-offense-and-rg3-as-a-passer/]A Crash Course In The Pistol Formation, West Coast Offense, and RG3 as a Passer[/url][/quote]

Done with what? talking about the formation our team uses or who should be the 3rd string QB?

So with all the negative comments I got for my praise of PW and negativity towards Grossman I thought I'd go look at the stats.

I guess if I was a fan who only looked at the rating % then most of you would be 100% right. Why?

[B]Grossman[/B]: 82.3%
[B]White[/B]: 35.7%

However I'm one to believe you have to look at the overall stats for the preseason. Not just the rating %.

[B]Grossman:[/B] 54.1% passer rating.
[B]White:[/B] 57.1% passer rating.

Ok I'll give RG1 a little credit he got 252 yrds passing while PW got only 53 yrds passing. RG1 got a passing TD while it says PW had zero. But I could have sworn he had a passing TD in the first preseason game and a rushing TD. Perhaps the passing TD was called back for something.

Both had a sack RG1's was 6 yrds, PW's was 5 yrds loss.

Both had an INT.

RG1's longest pass 23 yrds. PW's longest pass was 13 yrds.

So I can see how the RG1 camp is getting that he's better or so they think.

Lets now look at Rushing Yards. What... didn't think I would go there? Don't think the QB should be running or scrambling?

[B]Grossman:[/B] 1 ATT. for -7 yrds.
[B]White:[/B] 9 ATT. for 53 yrds.

Now 53 yrds does not sound like much but PW had 6.3 yrds per attempt rushing. His longest run was 18 yrds. and he rushed for 1 TD.

So to me in the grand scheme of things PW is not much different then RG1 but has mobility. Which this team needs at QB to accomplish its goal. Which is why I prefer PW over RG1 as the 3rd string QB.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/statistics.html]Redskins.com | Statistics[/url]

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1. Grossman can pass.

2. White can't pass.

3. Run-first quarterbacks can't compete in the NFL.

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[quote=SirLK26;1020056]1. Grossman can pass.

2. White can't pass.

3. Run-first quarterbacks can't compete in the NFL.[/quote]

Ding Ding Ding ... we have a winner.

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[quote=SirLK26;1020056]1. Grossman can pass.

2. White can't pass.

3. Run-first quarterbacks can't compete in the NFL.[/quote]

Yep, I'm proven wrong yet again.... thats why PW has a better passer rating. 57% to 53%.

Hello folks the option rely's on a QB who CAN run so the defense does not key on just the RB and WR. RG1 can not run. Proven by his -7 rushing yrds.

P.S. I'll take my chicken dinner.

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So we basically all agree that if Pat White or Rex Grossman have to play during the regular season... The redskins are screwed.

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[quote=SirLK26;1020056]1. Grossman can pass.

2. White can't pass.

3. Run-first quarterbacks can't compete in the NFL.[/quote]

What gives anyone the idea Grossman is a better passer? PW had a better passer completion ratio.

Personally I think RG1 knows he is stuck passing or handing the ball off to the RB so obviously he is going to do just those two things.

PW is a triple threat. I think what people are not wanting to realize is PW probably looked down field and saw good coverage so he took off running.

Now if you said no he had a ton of over throws or balls that didn't make it to the WR or dirt balls or INT's then I'd agree with you. But no one has proven that. They just blindly say RG1 is better. The stats don't prove it though.

What we know is RG1 made more passing att. because he can't run. PW made less att. because he CAN run if need be. Why is RG3 so effective? because not only can he pass or hand the ball off he also can run if NEED be.

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[quote=donofriose;1020059]So we basically all agree that if Pat White or Rex Grossman have to play during the regular season... The redskins are screwed.[/quote]

YES. I'll admit that. But I'd still rather have a 3rd string QB who, god forbid, is put in the game is going to give defenses as much difficulty as possible.

RG1: Pass or Hand off.
PW: Pass, Hand off, or Run.

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[quote=SBXVII;1020058]Yep, I'm proven wrong yet again.... thats why PW has a better passer rating. 57% to 53%.

Hello folks the[B] option rely's on a QB who CAN run so the defense does not key on just the RB and WR.[/B] RG1 can not run. Proven by his -7 rushing yrds.

P.S. I'll take my chicken dinner.[/quote]

The quarterback also has to be able to pass or the defense will stack the box and focus exclusively on stopping the run. No threat of passing would destroy our offense. Part of the reason it works so well with RG3 is because defenses are just as scared of his golden arm as they are of his golden legs.

Rex Grossman can pass, but not run. Pat White can run, but not pass. Like I said before, run-first quarterbacks can't compete in the NFL. An offense run by Grossman would operate much better than one run by White. No one wants either Grossman or White to get extensive playing time during the regular season. But if it came to that, I would want definitely want Grossman over White.

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[quote=SBXVII;1020062]YES. I'll admit that. But I'd still rather have a 3rd string QB who, god forbid, is put in the game is going to give defenses as much difficulty as possible.

RG1: Pass or Hand off.
PW: Pass, Hand off, or Run.[/quote]

Grossman: Pass with a decent chance of completing it or hand off.

White: Pass with a small chance of completing it, hand off, or run straight into the defense who's focusing on the run.