Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1117057]For real, people seem to forget Kirk falling apart last year.

I think the plan should be to keep Kirk until he falls apart and let McCoy finish the season.[/quote]

Michigan State QBs are good backups, nothing more, nothing less. Only good Big Ten QBs in the NFL for the past 15-20 years are Brees and Brady.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Flyer97;1117432]Personally, like I have stated before, I don't think we should even entertain acquiring a top QB before we rebuild the line. After Trent goes, we have a bunch of scrubs to deal with. I would rebuild the line next season then draft a QB in 2017. We need new scouting dept folks.[/quote]

Hopefully they can draft a QB who doesn't call the wrong protections all the time and has some semblance of pre-snap recognition. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who's blocking.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1117435]The offensive line is a lot better than what you are giving credit for. Kirk had 8 sacks in 6 games last year as opposed to 33 in 7 games by Robert. The OL is fine. Is it the best? Absolutely not, but it's enough to make a 6th round RB look like a star the past 3 years. Also, our line is rated better than the Patriots as well.[/quote]

Luck's line sucks worse, Rogers and Big Ben have played with crappy Lines. It's a tired and pathetic excuse. RG3 gets sacked, because he can't recognize Defenses and has zero pocket presence. KC and Colt are hardly pro-bowlers and they get sacked way less behind the same Offensive Linemen.

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[quote=That Guy;1117420]kurt warner also got hit like 4 million times while playing, so i'm not sure he's the best guy to ask about that.[/quote]

And he has no idea what they're running and who's responsible for what.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Cooley's more thorough film breakdown of the Detroit game: (It's labeled as such on Aug 24)

[url=http://www.espn980.com/audio-vault/]Audio Vault | ESPN 980[/url]

Cooley says he knows the offense and knows what he is talking about. I know, I know, most analysts say the same thing. It's one thing to read a break down by a writer at the Washington Post or a part time soccer analyst on bleacher report. It's another to listen to someone break down the mistakes who played in the same offense he is analyzing.

FYI, he does fault Scherff for poor play. The jist of the break down is that Grif didn't do anything that even a mediocre QB should do to mask the errors of the line.

He makes a big deal out of the one instance that Scherff and Smith were beaten each and they were able to keep the defender in front of them. This, he argues gives RG3 an opportunity to side step and hit a check down or throw it in the dirt at somebody.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Moses and Scherff haven't taken many NFL snaps and certainly haven't taken them side by side.

The more they play together the better they will get together.

Cooley was extremely high on Moses' pass blocking and was impressed by his footwork. Still missing a run block or two.

Scherff needs to improve asap. He says Scherff isn't playing aggressive and seems to be playing tentatively. As his snap count increases, so will his comfort level. He will stop thinking and just react (as nasty as possible hopefully).

I don't believe RG3 is the guy but if he is the starter, I hope our inexperienced right side improves enough for him to survive Wake and Suh.

If past performance predicts future outcomes; he isn't going to do all the slippery stuff to protect himself.

Very tough first match up for our offense and a scary match up for Grif. Really hope we aren't on the hook for the injury cap hit after week 1.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=44Deezel;1117459]Luck's line sucks worse, Rogers and Big Ben have played with crappy Lines. It's a tired and pathetic excuse. RG3 gets sacked, because he can't recognize Defenses and has zero pocket presence. KC and Colt are hardly pro-bowlers and they get sacked way less behind the same Offensive Linemen.[/QUOTE]


Glad im not the only one who sees it. The dude is just not a good qb. End of discussion. You can put him behind whatever line you want or surround him with whatever weapons you want. You can give him whatever coach you want and play him in whatever system you want. 2012 was unfortunately a mirage. He will never ever make it in the NFL. The sooner DS and all others involved realize this, the sooner we can start digging out of yet another hole. Just for the record this is not what I want, and I have been absolutely depressed about it since the 2013 season started. He has had ample time as a healthy qb in both pre-season and regular season to show us any sign of a "turn-around" and has done absolutely zilch, nada, and squat about it. Oh well. As I have always said im a Redskins fan, and i dont care who is under center or when he was drafted as long as he wins.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Punch,

Do you think they should draft a QB in 2016? I still think they need to get another first round lineman first, maybe another first and second in next years draft. Who is available next year?

Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=Flyer97;1117464]Punch,



Do you think they should draft a QB in 2016? I still think they need to get another first round lineman first, maybe another first and second in next years draft. Who is available next year?[/QUOTE]


I think they have several holes to fill, but this is the RG-3 turnaround thread. Lol. Way to early to know who the good qb's coming out are, plus there is the possibility that Cousins progresses. I did see one '16 mock draft that has us taking Christian Hackenberg from PSU with the 3rd pick. They had Cardale Jones going number one to the Browns.
It is also way to early too see how our young oline pans out. Would be nice to see some semblance of a line by 2016 and not have to spend two more picks on it so early.

Edit: oh n welcome to the Warpath. [emoji2]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1117442]Holy crap where has that guy gone?? On those dropbacks he looks so comfortable,he's sliding away from pressure,he just looks like a totally different qb then he does now.His mechanics and instincts now look like shit compared to then[/quote]

WOW.....that dude deserves 16m a year.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Hog1;1117466]WOW.....that dude deserves 16m a year.[/quote]

Deserve doesn't have much to do with it if he breaks.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=44Deezel;1117459]Luck's line sucks worse, Rogers and Big Ben have played with crappy Lines. It's a tired and pathetic excuse. [B] RG3 gets sacked, because he can't recognize Defenses and has zero pocket presence. [/B] KC and Colt are hardly pro-bowlers and they get sacked way less behind the same Offensive Linemen.[/quote]

Exactly, I don't understand the reason why anyone keeps making excuses for RG3. I am guessing they are a person that never played or coached the game
at any level, aren't that observant or have an ulterior motive. As I wear a Redskin hat often in public people will want to discuss RG3 with me. The apologists keep saying the coaching staff is at fault for making him a pocket passer that he is not.

I guess he is told to take a 5 step drop to point X and stand there without
moving even a step in any direction until a receiver gets open or a 300 pound defensive tackle flattens him like a pancake. He is being trained to take the
hit like a man, do not duck or turn, take the whole impact standing straight up, acting like he never saw it coming.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1117461]Cooley's more thorough film breakdown of the Detroit game: (It's labeled as such on Aug 24)

[url=http://www.espn980.com/audio-vault/]Audio Vault | ESPN 980[/url]

Cooley says he knows the offense and knows what he is talking about. I know, I know, most analysts say the same thing. It's one thing to read a break down by a writer at the Washington Post or a part time soccer analyst on bleacher report. It's another to listen to someone break down the mistakes who played in the same offense he is analyzing.

FYI, he does fault Scherff for poor play. The jist of the break down is that Grif didn't do anything that even a mediocre QB should do to mask the errors of the line.

He makes a big deal out of the one instance that Scherff and Smith were beaten each and they were able to keep the defender in front of them. This, he argues gives RG3 an opportunity to side step and hit a check down or throw it in the dirt at somebody.[/quote]


Thanks for posting. Cooley shuts up all those people yapping about "WHY WEREN'T ANY BOOTS RAN???".

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1117442]Holy crap where has that guy gone?? On those dropbacks he looks so comfortable,he's sliding away from pressure,he just looks like a totally different qb then he does now.His mechanics and instincts now look like shit compared to then[/QUOTE]


Shanahan had his issues including his ego for player personnel especially on defense side of ball. The guy had no clue about building a defense despite wanting the power.

Having said that, he deserves credit for knowing what it would take to have RG3 succeed; the R/O.

He's right to blast both Gruden and Griffin. If either of these two want to salvage their nfl careers, they should welcome the R/O with open arms. Refusing to play to the strengths of the player will cost Gruden his job and most likely make RG3 another Vince young

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.