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Just thought this was funny.

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/a-redskins-receiver-just-had-one-of-the-worst-twit]A Redskins Receiver Just Had One Of The Worst Twitter Meltdowns Of All Time[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;908531]Just thought this was funny.

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/a-redskins-receiver-just-had-one-of-the-worst-twit]A Redskins Receiver Just Had One Of The Worst Twitter Meltdowns Of All Time[/url][/quote]

That's excellent...save it for the regular season son!

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^ Yeah for a different team.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;908237]Please remember when we drafted MK he was already hurt.[/quote]

Team doctors strongly advised Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder not to draft Kelly and what happens? The Redskins end up wasting a 2nd round draft pick on him anyway. The thing about Kelly is Mike Shanahan allowed him to go to IR in 2010. But in the 2011 preseason/training camp Malcolm Kelly showed no fight, no tenacity, and no heart and so he was let go. What a waste.

I'm so glad Cerratto isn't in Washington to make personnel decisions anymore.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;908531]Just thought this was funny.

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/a-redskins-receiver-just-had-one-of-the-worst-twit]A Redskins Receiver Just Had One Of The Worst Twitter Meltdowns Of All Time[/url][/quote]

Gaffney is ghetto, what classy tweets.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908582]Team doctors strongly advised Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder not to draft Kelly and what happens? The Redskins end up wasting a 2nd round draft pick on him anyway. The thing about Kelly is Mike Shanahan allowed him to go to IR in 2010. [B]But in the 2011 preseason/training camp Malcolm Kelly showed no fight, no tenacity, and no heart and so he was let go[/B]. What a waste.

I'm so glad Cerratto isn't in Washington to make personnel decisions anymore.[/quote]

Proof? I think he got injured again in 2011. That's a far cry from what you're suggesting. Not trying to detract from your point, which is that we never should've drafted him in the first place, but all indications were that he was a great kid whose heart was in the right place, but he just couldn't get on the field.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;908599]Gaffney is ghetto, what classy tweets.[/quote]

I love how he came back with the classic "account got hacked" tweets, and people called him out on it. I can't quote this, but someone on Twitter said something along the lines of how the "hacker" must've spent a lot of time preparing, because it sounded exactly like him.

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[quote=mooby;908604]I love how he came back with the classic "account got hacked" tweets, and people called him out on it. I can't quote this, but someone on Twitter said something along the lines of how the "hacker" must've spent a lot of time preparing, because it sounded exactly like him.[/quote]

I don't think it sounded anything like Gaffney. Not really sure where that notion comes from

And also, no one worked harder than Malcolm Kelly. He just couldn't stay healthy

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[quote=SmootSmack;908611][B]I don't think it sounded anything like Gaffney. Not really sure where that notion comes from[/B]

And also, no one worked harder than Malcolm Kelly. He just couldn't stay healthy[/quote]

Really? I checked out a few of his prior tweets, and the typing felt familiar. I also started following him after the whole "kill yourself" stuff he said to that Cowboys fan last year, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. The set of tweets that were posted had more f bombs than I've seen from him, but the style felt similar, especially between the bombshell tweets and his post "account got hacked" tweets.

As far as your second point goes, agreed. Much of my recollection of Kelly comes from you and guys like Keim, Campbell, etc. and the consensus opinion was that he was a good kid who couldn't stay healthy.

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Maybe you're right. I don't know

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[quote=mooby;908601]Proof? I think he got injured again in 2011. That's a far cry from what you're suggesting. Not trying to detract from your point, which is that we never should've drafted him in the first place, but all indications were that he was a great kid whose heart was in the right place, but he just couldn't get on the field.[/quote]

I suppose I'm being a little too critical of Kelly because I had high expectations of him. When Art Monk couldn't compete in the 1982 playoffs because of a broken toe, that was a legitimate injury. Kelly had his chances. If he really wanted to push at it, he could have battled through whatever injury he had. But as I said in my earlier post, Kelly had no testicular fortitude. He had no fight in him whatsoever. The fact that he is still a free agent shows the guy has nothing but quit in him.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908803]I suppose I'm being a little too critical of Kelly because I had high expectations of him. When Art Monk couldn't compete in the 1982 playoffs because of a broken toe, that was a legitimate injury. Kelly had his chances. If he really wanted to push at it, he could have battled through whatever injury he had. But as I said in my earlier post, Kelly had no testicular fortitude. He had no fight in him whatsoever. [B]The fact that he is still a free agent shows the guy has nothing but quit in him[/B].[/quote]

Or maybe teams don't want to take a risk for an unproven talent with a big medical risk?

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From all accounts Kelly worked hard, he just had a bum knee. Some injuries you can't just "battle through".

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[quote=Mattyk;908824]From all accounts Kelly worked hard, he just had a bum knee. Some injuries you can't just "battle through".[/quote]

Right on, Matty. It isn't MK's fault that we drafted him, it isn't his fault his knees suck, for all we really know he has done all he could have to play in the NFL. So why beat up a guy for injuries beyond his control?

And the "he should have played through the pain" comment is just stupid.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;908850]Right on, Matty. It isn't MK's fault that we drafted him, it isn't his fault his knees suck, for all we really know he has done all he could have to play in the NFL. So why beat up a guy for injuries beyond his control?

And the "he should have played through the pain" comment is just stupid.[/quote]


I have a habit of comparing NFL players of today to NFL players of 30 and 40 years ago. Vince Lombardi expected his players to play with injuries. By all accounts, I guess today's players are silver spoon fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off and that's not how it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

And for your information, I didn't use the words "play through the pain." I actually said Kelly should have tried to at least "battle through his injury" which is not a far fetched notion at all because some players do it all the time even in today's NFL. I guess collectively they don't make football players the way they used to.

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You're missing a huge point...which is the rules say he can't come back. The team had to make a decision to put him on IR because he was going to miss enough time that they had to have another active player on the roster. He could have and wanted to come back in October but NFL rules don't allow that. Back in the day that was allowed

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908856]I have a habit of comparing NFL players of today to NFL players of 30 and 40 years ago. Vince Lombardi expected his players to play with injuries. By all accounts, I guess today's players are silver spoon fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off and that's not how it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

And for your information, I didn't use the words "play through the pain." I actually said Kelly should have tried to at least "battle through his injury" which is not a far fetched notion at all because some players do it all the time even in today's NFL. I guess collectively they don't make football players the way they used to.[/quote]

Well, I guess Kelly liked having his knees intact :x. I can sympathize with the dude. Knee injuries are awful and some people can't shake em off.

Those same NFL players 30-40 years ago have/are suing the NFL for conditions they developed by playing through their injuries.

I think it's kind of petty that you say "newer" players are spoon-fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off. If it's the team that is doing the spoon feeding than they are just protecting their investments.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908856]I have a habit of comparing NFL players of today to NFL players of 30 and 40 years ago. Vince Lombardi expected his players to play with injuries. By all accounts, I guess today's players are silver spoon fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off and that's not how it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

And for your information, I didn't use the words "play through the pain." I actually said Kelly should have tried to at least "battle through his injury" which is not a far fetched notion at all because some players do it all the time even in today's NFL. I guess collectively they don't make football players the way they used to.[/quote]

There are a lot of players from years ago who are battling through horrible health issues due to the conditions in which they played, such as being asked to play through injuries. I think it is a bit naive to say that today's players are being silver spoon fed anything. Many players and teams are being more careful in terms of making decisions of when an injured player should return, given that there is usually a lot of money at stake in the sport.

And honestly in the end, NO ONE benefits from having a player play through injury. Case in point, watching a hobbled up Big Ben playing in the playoffs.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908856][B]I have a habit of comparing NFL players of today to NFL players of 30 and 40 years ago. Vince Lombardi expected his players to play with injuries. [/B]By all accounts, I guess today's players are silver spoon fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off and that's not how it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

And for your information, I didn't use the words "play through the pain." I actually said Kelly should have tried to at least "battle through his injury" which is not a far fetched notion at all because some players do it all the time even in today's NFL. I guess collectively they don't make football players the way they used to.[/quote]

So then how do explain, for just one example, the fact that Boyd Dowler, a WR who played for Lombardi's Packers, missed a Super Bowl (the biggest game of the year) due to injury?

Even Lombardi's players could be too injured to play.

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Injuries happen. What I'm saying is some injuries are not as bad as other injuries and in today's NFL players are having their hearts massaged for not playing even after sustaining lesser injuries. A torn ACL or anything broken should always be seen as a serious injury that would have any player incapable of playing. With Malcolm Kelly though, the brother was just a large disappointment in conjunction with his injuries. The type of injury that he seemingly can't come back from, other players have played with that kind of injury before.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908881]Injuries happen. What I'm saying is some injuries are not as bad as other injuries and in today's NFL players are having their hearts massaged for not playing even after sustaining lesser injuries. A torn ACL or anything broken should always be seen as a serious injury that would have any player incapable of playing.[B] With Malcolm Kelly though, the brother was just a large disappointment in conjunction with his injuries.[/B] The type of injury that he seemingly can't come back from, other players have played with that kind of injury before.[/quote]

I think Kelly was a disappointment because of his injuries. Outside of Zorn's comments during Thomas and Kelly's rookie year about both of them not being in shape, I don't think I've seen or read anything about Kelly not putting the effort to play. In the end, a wide receiver with recurring knee problems is not going to work out. Especially one who misses a lot of practice time and games in their first year due to these injuries.

I really don't care much for Kelly, but I just don't see how you can blame him for having bad knees. The bigger disappointment was our stupid FO who took a player who was known to have injury problems. Don't forget that the team, including Shanahan, gave Kelly a lot of time to return and show that he's healthy. If he wasn't putting much of an effort, he would or if his injury wasn't "that big of a deal" he would have been long gone.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908856]I have a habit of comparing NFL players of today to NFL players of 30 and 40 years ago. Vince Lombardi expected his players to play with injuries. By all accounts, I guess today's players are silver spoon fed the notion that if they are injured they should take half the season off and that's not how it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

And for your information, I didn't use the words "play through the pain." I actually said Kelly should have tried to at least "battle through his injury" which is not a far fetched notion at all because some players do it all the time even in today's NFL. I guess collectively they don't make football players the way they used to.[/quote]

I realized that I misquoted you as soon as I posted. Sorry.

But the notion is the same, neither of us can know whether he could have "battled through his injury" though. I just chose to believe that, all things considered, MK would have played had he been able to since a very lucrative career was on the line...

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[quote=Ruhskins;908883]I think Kelly was a disappointment because of his injuries. Outside of Zorn's comments during Thomas and Kelly's rookie year about both of them not being in shape, I don't think I've seen or read anything about Kelly not putting the effort to play. In the end, a wide receiver with recurring knee problems is not going to work out. Especially one who misses a lot of practice time and games in their first year due to these injuries.

I really don't care much for Kelly, but I just don't see how you can blame him for having bad knees. The bigger disappointment was our stupid FO who took a player who was known to have injury problems. Don't forget that the team, including Shanahan, gave Kelly a lot of time to return and show that he's healthy. If he wasn't putting much of an effort, he would or if his injury wasn't "that big of a deal" he would have been long gone.[/quote]


I agree wholeheartedly. To spend a 2nd rounder on a WR with bum knees was just stupid. Kinda like spending a 3rd round pick on Burfict. Great to risk a 5th rounder or less, 3rd round or higher just doesn't make sense. So glad VC is gone, and professionals are in charge.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;908947]I realized that I misquoted you as soon as I posted. Sorry.

But the notion is the same, neither of us can know whether he could have "battled through his injury" though. I just chose to believe that, all things considered, MK would have played had he been able to since a very lucrative career was on the line...[/quote]

In the 2nd round of the 2008 NFL draft, the Redskins could have had either Jordy Nelson or DeSean Jackson. Fred Davis was a legitimate pick. But as it turns out, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were wasted picks. Just think of how different things would have been had the Redskins took Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, or Jordy Nelson with one of those draft picks. Mario Manningham was also available after the Redskins took Kelly and Thomas in 2008. Vinny Cerratto couldn't draft worth a damn.

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...the eff are we still talking about MK for? He's donzo! And didn't have a career before then anyway lol.

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I'm happy and satisfied with what the Redskins have at wide receiver. Terrence Austin, Anthony Armstrong, Niles Paul, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Jabar Gaffney, and Pierre Garcon could all start. And then there's little Brandon Banks returning kickoffs and punts.

Terrence Austin appears to be the odd man out. Despite a limited role in the offense, Austin has done a nice job whenever his number has been called. Gaffney could get the ax as well but he's should be considered a front runner because of his productivity from last season.

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Listening to ESPN980 right now and it sounds like Jabar Gaffney is goner

Either traded before the draft or released

as per Chris Russell

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^ Good. More room for everyone else.

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[quote=30gut;909593]Listening to ESPN980 right now and it sounds like Jabar Gaffney is goner

Either traded before the draft or released

as per Chris Russell[/quote]

Oh no.

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[quote=30gut;909593]Listening to ESPN980 right now and it sounds like Jabar Gaffney is goner

Either traded before the draft or released

as per Chris Russell[/quote]


[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/Russellmania980/statuses/192647563072122881"]https://twitter.com/#!/Russellmania980/statuses/192647563072122881[/URL]
[quote]
[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/Russellmania980"][B]Chris Russell[/B] ‏ @[B]Russellmania980[/B] [/URL]

As just heard on [URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/ESPNRadio980"]@[B]ESPNRadio980[/B][/URL], Jabar Gaffney has told me that he was told [URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Redskins"]#[B]Redskins[/B][/URL] are trying to trade him."They are trying to trade me."
[/quote]Good. I figured it would come down to Moss OR Gaffney and I've preferred that Moss stay.


This might allow Austin or Banks to stay.


Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Paul
Austin or Armstrong
Banks or Robinson

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No surprise on Gaffney. Had mentioned it a couple of times before. Don't know what, if anything, we could get for him though

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I don't think he'd command much on the market. Shame if we don't keep him though. I don't see this as good news for Banks. I think he's gone no matter what.

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Yeah, I'd totally be good with Banks walking.

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I just don't see the Redskins waiving Gaffney. I mean, they very well could. But the guy is a veteran WR and was the most productive wide out from last season. I'm looking for huge things from Pierre Garcon and Leonard Hankerson. Niles Paul didn't figure into the team's passing game that much last season, but maybe Paul will have a lot more passes thrown his way this year. Moss isn't going anywhere. He's the Redskins slot receiver and will be called upon to start of Garcon or Hankerson gets injured. Josh Morgan will definitely be in the mix. Brandon Banks, the Redskins could probably live without. Anthony Armstrong could very well make the team for a third straight season, but Terrence Austin could beat him out for a roster spot. Banks, I agree could be waived. But if he blasts his way for a TD on a punt or kick off return during preseason, look for him to stay put.

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Patriots are (were?) eager to bring Gaffney back. Though they'll probably just wait to see if he's cut.

Would be kind of funny to see Stallworth and Gaffney back in NE

I've kinda thought we'd either have Moss or Gaffney this year, not both.


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[quote=Mattyk;909629]I've kinda thought we'd either have Moss or Gaffney this year, not both.


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Looks like Moss probably...

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Maybe the Eagles can tell us how they convinced the Pats to give them a fifth rounder for Greg Lewis, so we can ask for a 4th or 5th rounder for Gaffney. Lewis was 30 at the time and did not have anywhere near the productivity that Gaffney had last season.

[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/03/report_patriots_2.html]Patriots acquire WR Greg Lewis from Eagles - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com[/url]

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i like the idea of trading him and possibly picking up a pick, but if there is no interest from him why dont we keep him around for camp and see what happens instead of just dumping him now? whats the advantage of that?

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Gaffney is still relatively young and can contribute in this league, there's no question about that. I have mixed feelings about letting Moss walk though. That guy is a true Redskin.