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You guys are totally hijacking this thread to shit lol

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Back to the thread topic, do you think we will sign any D-linemen? With the return of Orakpo and Carriker, our pass rush will improve, but will it be enough? Part of the secondary's problem last year was the horrible pass rush, so I'm sure there will be some change; maybe in the draft.

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[quote=SirLK26;999484]Back to the thread topic, do you think we will sign any D-linemen? With the return of Orakpo and Carriker, our pass rush will improve, but will it be enough? Part of the secondary's problem last year was the horrible pass rush, so I'm sure there will be some change; maybe in the draft.[/quote]

Pressure needs to come primarily from the LB's in the 3-4.

Having a healthy Carriker and Orakpo should help.

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Of all our teams units, D Line has to be least worried about imo. Orakpo and AC will be the difference with pressure.

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Fresh thread time?

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Do "we" think Orakpo will be healthy for all 2013? I'm getting dodgy about him. Glad we retained RJ.

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[quote=SirLK26;999484]Back to the thread topic, do you think we will sign any D-linemen? With the return of Orakpo and Carriker, our pass rush will improve, but will it be enough? Part of the secondary's problem last year was the horrible pass rush, so I'm sure there will be some change; maybe in the draft.[/quote]

IMO Jarvis Jenkins will be more beastly than he was last year. They say that it can take more than a year to regain burst after the injury that he had, so all of last year he was still trying to regain burst. This year he should be ready to bring more pressure from the DE.

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[quote=The Goat;999490]Do "we" think Orakpo will be healthy for all 2013? I'm getting dodgy about him. Glad we retained RJ.[/quote]

I think this injury has occured a couple times now with Rak. He is in the last year of his contract, so its time to see if he is over it and can return to his high level of play. Retaining RJ is very key with that plan.

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[quote=The Goat;999490]Do "we" think Orakpo will be healthy for all 2013? I'm getting dodgy about him. Glad we retained RJ.[/quote]

Im more interested to see what we'd have in 2014. I highly doubt both will be on the team. Would be nice if RJ played at such a level we could trade orakpo early on this year or franchise and trade next offseason.

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[quote=Lotus;999491]IMO Jarvis Jenkins will be more beastly than he was last year. They say that it can take more than a year to regain burst after the injury that he had, so all of last year he was still trying to regain burst. This year he should be ready to bring more pressure from the DE.[/quote]

Agree with this. Hopefully JJ is our starter and takes his game to a new level with Carriker rotating in, depending on his return to health.

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[quote=Chico23231;999493]I think this injury has occured a couple times now with Rak. He is in the last year of his contract, so its time to see if he is over it and can return to his high level of play. [B]Retaining RJ is very key with that plan[/B].[/quote]

Wait, I thought Jackson was already re-signed? Or is that what you meant...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;999494]Im more interested to see what we'd have in 2014. I highly doubt both will be on the team. Would be nice if RJ played at such a level we could trade orakpo early on this year or franchise and trade next offseason.[/quote]

I'm still curious if Jackson could transition well into ILB alongside Riley after Fletcher retires. His skill advantage seems to be along the lines of athleticism and football IQ, as opposed to pure pass rushing like Orakpo. If he could become a reliable tackler he'd be a gem inside.

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[quote=The Goat;999498]I'm still curious if Jackson could transition well into ILB alongside Riley after Fletcher retires. His skill advantage seems to be along the lines of athleticism and football IQ, as opposed to pure pass rushing like Orakpo. If he could become a reliable tackler he'd be a gem inside.[/quote]

I was wondering about that too little while ago. But I'm not sure if he has enough speed to cover some TEs and RBs though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;999494]Im more interested to see what we'd have in 2014. I highly doubt both will be on the team. Would be nice if RJ played at such a level we could trade orakpo early on this year or franchise and trade next offseason.[/quote]

Why would you even begin to consider trading Orakpo? He doesn't command a large salary, he's young, and when healthy is probably our best pass rusher.

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[quote=SirLK26;999504]Why would you even begin to consider trading Orakpo? He doesn't command a large salary, he's young, and when healthy is probably our best pass rusher.[/quote]

I think BHA has a solid point. Orakpo is (still) better suited as a hand in the dirt 4-3 DE. He's not terribly good in space, and doesn't have the football IQ RJ has, even with much more experience.

If Orakpo has a good year and a 4-3 defense wants to pay a premium for his services we have to entertain the idea.

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[quote=SirLK26;999504]Why would you even begin to consider trading Orakpo? He doesn't command a large salary, he's young, and when healthy is probably our best pass rusher.[/quote]

Orakpo thinks he's one of the leagues elite pass rushers. Unless he has an awful year, he won't be cheap to resign. Jackson showed promise as a starter last year. If he keeps it up, he'll get a starting job somewhere. I guess my feeling is that Jackson could be 80% of the payer orakpo is, but he'd come at a 25% of the cost. Why but grey goose when pinnacle tastes almost is good but is half the price?

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[quote=The Goat;999505]I think BHA has a solid point. Orakpo is (still) better suited as a hand in the dirt 4-3 DE. He's not terribly good in space, and doesn't have the football IQ RJ has, even with much more experience.

If Orakpo has a good year and a 4-3 defense wants to pay a premium for his services we have to entertain the idea.[/quote]

At his age a good healthy year could warrant and 2nd + 5th or somewhere in that neighborhood.. paying the price to re-sign him prior could be the hitch in the giddy up

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Rak is in his last year of his current deal, so if he has a good year we can't trade him.

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[quote=Lotus;999491]IMO Jarvis Jenkins will be more beastly than he was last year. They say that it can take more than a year to regain burst after the injury that he had, so all of last year he was still trying to regain burst. This year he should be ready to bring more pressure from the DE.[/quote]

Yes sir, JJ was starting to show a little of his pre-ACL skills towards the end of last season.
With Carricker, Jenkins, S. Bowen, along with Golston, Doug Worthington and late season practice squad signing Phillip Merlling we are pretty big and deep at DE. I like the big kid Worthington, in the 6 games Worthington was active he was not pushed around and held his own. If he can continue to improve I would not be shocked to see Golston the odd man out of this group.

Wr is another position a possible return to health will hopefully show up well on the stat sheet in 2013. Morgan and Hankerson played injured most of last season. They still flashed some skill at times. Aldrick Robinson also was dinged and he looks promising as well. This is a good young group.

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[quote=Mattyk;999510]Rak is in his last year of his current deal, so if he has a good year we can't trade him.[/quote]

I think BHA said trade mid-season. Anything wrong with that?

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[quote=The Goat;999515]I think BHA said trade mid-season. Anything wrong with that?[/quote]

It's just not going to happen but it doesn't hurt to dream I guess.

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[quote=Mattyk;999516]It's just not going to happen but it doesn't hurt to dream I guess.[/quote]

Hmmmmm it could be a smart preemptive move. Not sure how Orakpo feels about playing out of position so to speak, but per his agent and contract talks the following year they'd be pretty smart to "market" Rak as a premier 4-3 DE pass rusher who's been poorly utilized. And then we see a 1st round pick just walk away without getting anything, let alone pretty underwhelming production during his time here.

A "forced" mid-season trade, especially if a 4-3 defense is desperate, might be the smartest move even if all we can get is say a 3rd round pick.

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Like I said, keep dreaming.

We're not going to trade our best pass rusher mid season if he's having a good enough year to warrant a high pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;999521]Like I said, keep dreaming.

We're not going to trade our best pass rusher mid season if he's having a good enough year [B]to warrant a high pick.[/B][/quote]

I'm lost...you mean compensation pick if/when he walks away?

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[quote=The Goat;999523]I'm lost...you mean compensation pick if/when he walks away?[/quote]

Aren't you talking about trading him during the season?

I don't understand the concept of trading away a key player during the season and hurting yourself in the process.

Guys that average nearly 10 sacks a year don't grow on trees.

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[quote=Mattyk;999525]Aren't you talking about trading him during the season?

I don't understand the concept of trading away a key player during the season and hurting yourself in the process.

Guys that average nearly 10 sacks a year don't grow on trees.[/quote]

Right, but if he indeed has a solid 2013 campaign, becoming a FA after the season, we'll face a bidding war. And again if his agent is smart they'll market Rak as a player poorly utilized, which is probably true i.e. capable of Jared Allen type production out of the 4-3...and then we get squat, right?

Trade him mid-season and at least get something. My assumption here is Rak probably won't be on our roster beyond this year regardless and isn't going to be the difference between winning a Lombardi.

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If Rak can stay healthy he's gonna prove aloooooooooooooooooooooot of people wrong this year. Id hate to be a QB playing us coming up

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[quote=Chico23231;999528]If Rak can stay healthy he's gonna prove aloooooooooooooooooooooot of people wrong this year. Id hate to be a QB playing us coming up[/quote]

What held him back when he was healthy before?

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[quote=The Goat;999520]Hmmmmm it could be a smart preemptive move. Not sure how Orakpo feels about playing out of position so to speak, but per his agent and contract talks the following year they'd be pretty smart to "market" Rak as a premier 4-3 DE pass rusher who's been poorly utilized. And then we see a 1st round pick just walk away without getting anything, let alone pretty underwhelming production during his time here.

[B]A "forced" mid-season trade, especially if a 4-3 defense is desperate, might be the smartest move even if all we can get is say a 3rd round pick.[/B][/quote]

Trade Rak for a 3rd round pick? Madness.

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[quote=The Goat;999529]What held him back when he was healthy before?[/quote]

2 x probowler and he has been injured the last 2 year previous years with the same injury. So nothing been wrong, he's been solid.

I think he's on the cusp of one of those mid teen sack total years and with Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins, AC, all healthy our D-Line is set.

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If you are really counting on Rob Jackson to start 16 games and be efficient those games, I think you will be disappointed. I like Rob Jackson, but he seems like one of those players that looks good for a couple of games and then when he actually has to start for an entire year, people will forget about him. Making the flashy play every once in a while does not mean you are a solid starter. I think of Rob Jackson as Jarret Johnson from the Chargers. On the Ravens he looked good when he played, the Chargers then got him started him for the majority of his season and then you never hear from him again. Good teams have a lot of players like Rob Jackson.
Look at what happened to the defense without Orakpo before you start thinking about replacing him. Kerrigan was taken out and completely disappeared for a lot of games. Jenkins is coming along but still not sure what to expect from him especially with his knee. If you trade Orakpo there will be no pass rush, just like last year. The DLine and outside linebacker need to improve in terms of talent, not to trade away its most talented player. Redskins need to look at this position group as well as something they need to improve. If they do not then people will then blame the DB's for the fact QB's have 7 seconds to throw the ball. There were times last year where I felt the QB could hold the ball for as long as he wanted and the Skins still would not get him. I hope Orakpo comes healthy and plays to form, because if he doesn't, based on last year, it will be a long year for the DB's and the defense.

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[quote=Chico23231;999532]2 x probowler and he has been injured the last 2 year previous years with the same injury. So nothing been wrong, he's been solid.

I think he's on the cusp of one of those mid teen sack total years and with Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins, AC, all healthy our D-Line is set.[/quote]

Show me dont tell me.

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[quote=donofriose;999536]If you are really counting on Rob Jackson to start 16 games and be efficient those games, I think you will be disappointed. I like Rob Jackson, but he seems like one of those players that looks good for a couple of games and then when he actually has to start for an entire year, people will forget about him. Making the flashy play every once in a while does not mean you are a solid starter. I think of Rob Jackson as Jarret Johnson from the Chargers. On the Ravens he looked good when he played, the Chargers then got him started him for the majority of his season and then you never hear from him again. Good teams have a lot of players like Rob Jackson.
Look at what happened to the defense without Orakpo before you start thinking about replacing him. Kerrigan was taken out and completely disappeared for a lot of games. Jenkins is coming along but still not sure what to expect from him especially with his knee. If you trade Orakpo there will be no pass rush, just like last year. The DLine and outside linebacker need to improve in terms of talent, not to trade away its most talented player. Redskins need to look at this position group as well as something they need to improve. If they do not then people will then blame the DB's for the fact QB's have 7 seconds to throw the ball. There were times last year where I felt the QB could hold the ball for as long as he wanted and the Skins still would not get him. I hope Orakpo comes healthy and plays to form, because if he doesn't, based on last year, it will be a long year for the DB's and the defense.[/quote]

but..but ..but...he's really funny as a Leprechaun!

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[quote=donofriose;999536]If you are really counting on Rob Jackson to start 16 games and be efficient those games, I think you will be disappointed. I like Rob Jackson, but he seems like one of those players that looks good for a couple of games and then when he actually has to start for an entire year, people will forget about him. Making the flashy play every once in a while does not mean you are a solid starter. I think of Rob Jackson as Jarret Johnson from the Chargers. On the Ravens he looked good when he played, the Chargers then got him started him for the majority of his season and then you never hear from him again. Good teams have a lot of players like Rob Jackson.
Look at what happened to the defense without Orakpo before you start thinking about replacing him. Kerrigan was taken out and completely disappeared for a lot of games. Jenkins is coming along but still not sure what to expect from him especially with his knee. If you trade Orakpo there will be no pass rush, just like last year. The DLine and outside linebacker need to improve in terms of talent, not to trade away its most talented player. Redskins need to look at this position group as well as something they need to improve. If they do not then people will then blame the DB's for the fact QB's have 7 seconds to throw the ball. There were times last year where I felt the QB could hold the ball for as long as he wanted and the Skins still would not get him. I hope Orakpo comes healthy and plays to form, because if he doesn't, based on last year, it will be a long year for the DB's and the defense.[/quote]
I dont know if you realize this, but Rob Jackson started 14 games and played the run and the pass better than Brian Orakpo. Only thing Orakpo did better was rush the passer. You never heard of Jarred Johnson in Baltimore either.

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I feel like Jackson was solid with a couple of huge moments, which perhaps pumps up the perception of him. Just an observation, not a slight on him.

I hope we have some packages that include Jackson, Rak, and Kerrigan all on the field together. That could be interesting.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;999551]I dont know if you realize this, but Rob Jackson started 14 games and played the run and the pass better than Brian Orakpo. Only thing Orakpo did better was rush the passer. You never heard of Jarred Johnson in Baltimore either.[/quote]

San Diego signed Johnson to a 4 year 20 million dollar at the age of 30 and there was a lot of interest for him from the Jets as well. He was a significant free agent coming out of Baltimore, he was a pretty big name in Baltimore. As far as Jackson I did not see him play the run better than Orakpo. I never really saw Jackson blowing up run plays or being a beast on the edge. Neither did Orakpo but I would not say Jackson played the run better. As far as the pass he got interceptions, not sure how much he did besides that. Both he and Kerrigan can get interceptions a lot better than Orakpo. Orakpo cannot catch. Outside linebackers getting interceptions is a product of a scheme more than them covering some one and making a play. Remember Orakpo against the Rams dropping an Interception, Haslett put him in the right place at the right time. Tight ends killed the skins all year, and Jackson was part of that problem in my opinion, as were the safeties, and linebackers. Redskins could not cover anyone or get any pass rush, Orakpo's absence was a huge problem, there was a reason the Skins were one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year.

I'm not saying that Jackson is a bad player. He is solid in my opinion, but that is it. I'm saying to think he will replace Orakpo is incorrect because last year proved that he cannot, seeing how bad the defense was. In my opinion Jackson is a player on a good team that really only the fans know about. He is a role player. I want him to stay on the Skins because you need role players to win. But Jackson will not replace Orakpo. Not for an entire season. Last year proved it.

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Just playing devils advocate here but RJ is only I his forth year and he could produce better results this year as he grows as a player. I am not saying I want to dump Orakpo but there is evidence of RJ getting better as the year progressed and he had a bigger role in the defense.

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RJ != rakpo. not now, not ever, imho.

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I don't understand why must we choose one of them? Why don't we aim to keep both instead?

[quote=Mattyk;999552]I hope we have some packages that include Jackson, Rak, and Kerrigan all on the field together. That could be interesting.[/quote]

I'm certain Hasslett will come up with some. He was very creative with looks and such toward ending of the season, I'm looking forward to what he can do with our best players.