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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1132979]watching the Carolina vs Skins game, its painfully clear. Watching Cam throw and watching Cousins throw....Cam can make every throw and has amazing arm strength. Cousins...well....not so much[/QUOTE]


Cam has been terribly inaccurate for years until now. He has always been physically gifted but until he learned how to read the field and make his throws he was never this good.

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What amazing arm strength buys you is the ability to zip the ball in even when you're off balance. And when are you most often off balance? When you're being pressured.

That's what Jay Cutler gives the Bears, he can be falling back on his ass as a double A gap blitz comes in his face, and do a 3/4 motion and still zip it in tight coverage. But as we know, that's only a small part of the QB equation, and nobody would anoint Cutler just because of that.

Cousins won't be able to give us that. But must he to succeed? I don't think so.

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Right, as some have brought up examples already (at work sorry with the slow response).

Kirk doesn't have a noodle arm, but his arm strength isn't towards the top either. No one doubts his ability to take a 5-7 step drop and heave the ball downfield to an open D-Jax. We've seen him do it.

But there are other routes, especially crossing patterns where the QB has to get the ball to the WR with a lot of zip not because it is a deep pass but because of the route, and the coverage and the fact that the catch will be made with the WR running towards the sideline with little room to get feet down after the ball hits his hands.

He simply doesn't have the zip on his throws that elite arm-strength QB's do. It doesn't negate everything else about him it's just simply an observation.

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1132986]Right, as some have brought up examples already (at work sorry with the slow response).



Kirk doesn't have a noodle arm, but his arm strength isn't towards the top either. No one doubts his ability to take a 5-7 step drop and heave the ball downfield to an open D-Jax. We've seen him do it.



But there are other routes, especially crossing patterns where the QB has to get the ball to the WR with a lot of zip not because it is a deep pass but because of the route, and the coverage and the fact that the catch will be made with the WR running towards the sideline with little room to get feet down after the ball hits his hands.



He simply doesn't have the zip on his throws that elite arm-strength QB's do. It doesn't negate everything else about him it's just simply an observation.[/QUOTE]


"Elite arm strength QB's" any better than "elite quick release qb's", "elite read the field qb's" or "elite stay healthy qb's"? Granted one who has it all is the undisputed king. However I think its silly to suggest that being in the middle of the pack for any one of several categories that make up a good qb is even an issue. If KC had a noodle arm than it would be worthy of discussion. Although i seem to be very involved with what i deem an un worthy discussion so.....

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[quote=Chico23231;1132979]watching the Carolina vs Skins game, its painfully clear. Watching Cam throw and watching Cousins throw....Cam can make every throw and has amazing arm strength. Cousins...well....not so much[/quote]

I hate to harken back to RGIII glory days, but I am going to. (sidenote: ugh, close the thread to keep nimwits like me from posting!!!)

I remember being at training camp and watching RGIII and Cousins side by side dropping back, turning and releasing on the throws. RGIII was just a much more smooth performer. That's what I think of when I see JR talking about ceiling vs floor. Cousins is never going to be that fluid all in one package with great arm strength smooth release and an ability to make "magic" happen. What he is, is a QB that can be a consistent starter with enough mojo to win the games his team should win. Right now that's where I see his ceiling.

As for his floor, it continues to rise. and that's a good thing.

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I'm about to go to sleep while lying on Kirk's floor looking up at his ceiling.

I agree that Kirk is probably scheme and personnel dependent. But that works for me because he is good in the scheme we run and SM will continue to upgrade the personnel.

I'd like to suggest a simple test to determine if Kirk should be our guy moving forward. The test is: Observe how he performs in the next three games with the division title on the line. That should tell us what we need to know.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1132980]We should all know by now that you need more then arm strength to be a NFL QB. (RG3)





As long as Kirk can make all the throws (which he can), it shouldn't matter if he can throw it to the moon.





Also, most QB hit their ceiling in physical traits once the get to NFL. It's the mental aspect that sets the bar for an NFL QB. I would hope everyone on this board knows that[/QUOTE]



This.. If I remember correctly Jeff George could throw the hell out of the football..

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1132986]Right, as some have brought up examples already (at work sorry with the slow response).





Kirk doesn't have a noodle arm, but his arm strength isn't towards the top either. No one doubts his ability to take a 5-7 step drop and heave the ball downfield to an open D-Jax. We've seen him do it.





But there are other routes, especially crossing patterns where the QB has to get the ball to the WR with a lot of zip not because it is a deep pass but because of the route, and the coverage and the fact that the catch will be made with the WR running towards the sideline with little room to get feet down after the ball hits his hands.





He simply doesn't have the zip on his throws that elite arm-strength QB's do. It doesn't negate everything else about him it's just simply an observation.[/QUOTE]



Watch Joe Montana run the west coast offense.. Strong arm is overrated.

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This division is there for the taking and know one is stepping up.

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I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1132994]I hate to harken back to RGIII glory days, but I am going to. (sidenote: ugh, close the thread to keep nimwits like me from posting!!!)



I remember being at training camp and watching RGIII and Cousins side by side dropping back, turning and releasing on the throws. RGIII was just a much more smooth performer. That's what I think of when I see JR talking about ceiling vs floor. Cousins is never going to be that fluid all in one package with great arm strength smooth release and an ability to make "magic" happen. What he is, is a QB that can be a consistent starter with enough mojo to win the games his team should win. Right now that's where I see his ceiling.



As for his floor, it continues to rise. and that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]


Too bad griff couldn't translate onto the field after teams took away his ability to run in the somewhat gimmicky offense. I would imagine in practice or training camp even now griff might appear to be the smoother faster strong armed qb but certainly not in game. As for floor / ceiling stuff of course KC is not going to ever be Cam Newton running and throwing with ferocity but who cares he is a better qb than griff will ever be. He continues to learn and mature. He continues to gain better pocket awareness. He continues to see the field better and with 2 minutes left in a close game i dont want anyone else under center.

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[QUOTE=Brody81;1133001]Watch Joe Montana run the west coast offense.. Strong arm is overrated.[/QUOTE]


Not to mention Montana was surrounded by hof talent on both sides of the ball. Amazing what personnel in a TEAM sport will do. If Joe Montana was getting his first crack at starting with last years or this years Skins team we would have a "who is Joe Montana" thread.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1133007]I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.[/QUOTE]


Dude you gotta stop. You reaalllly have to stop. When Griff gets let go after the season and some team takes a waiver on him - and he doesnt start there either what will you say? Do you honestly think Robert Griffin will be a starting qb in this league ever again?
JC sucked. JC got nervous in big situations. Deer in the headlights. Cousins thrives in those situations. See the Eagles game, the Bucs game, the Giants game. JC did not run a wco. He checked down out of pure panic. Cousins runs a wco. It is how it is designed to run.

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Who is KC? He is the next 16 million dollar man.

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Punch it in..I am with you Brother!! some fans just can't see the forest for the trees. but they soon will.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1133016]Punch it in..I am with you Brother!! some fans just can't see the forest for the trees. but they soon will.[/QUOTE]


Yes they will!

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[quote=punch it in;1133010]Not to mention Montana was surrounded by hof talent on both sides of the ball. [B]Amazing what personnel in a TEAM sport will do[/B]. If Joe Montana was getting his first crack at starting with last years or this years Skins team we would have a "who is Joe Montana" thread.[/quote]

SM will benefit KC in the off season in the same way. It will be fun to see the change.......

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forest or trees...I just see reality. Right now, we have zero options other than Cousins and he has played well enough to be retained to an average NFL starters contract.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1133007]I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.[/QUOTE]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.

Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

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[quote=Chico23231;1133026]forest or trees...I just see reality. Right now, we have zero options other than Cousins and he has played well enough to be retained to an average NFL starters contract.[/quote]Stop hating!

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[QUOTE=30gut;1133028]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.



The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.

But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.



Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.[/QUOTE]


Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.

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[quote=punch it in;1133036]Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.[/quote]Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?

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Arm strength to me is the most overrated thing about being a great QB. Newton is now in his 5th year as a starter, and is finally starting to learn how to be a passer. Not a thrower but a passer.

There are so many guys in the HOF and guys that are going to the HOF that don't have arms like Cam Newton. I want a passer first, not a thrower. I think KC is a passer first and not a thrower. He just needs to keep playing and getting more experience, and stay in the same offense.

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[quote=30gut;1133028]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

[B]The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.
[/B]
Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.[/quote]

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations? Allen was benched cause it was personal w/ Al Davis. Griffin was benched for performance.

Allen was one of the most respected and well liked guys on the team. Not to mention he was a truly GREAT player. Just not the case with Griffin.

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.

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Rg3 will get his chance next yr, imo he's never going to be a good passing QB, he just doesn't have that gift.

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The problem with the Griffin vs. Cousins debate is that most people have to be so extreme in one direction or another. Me personally, regardless of what I felt Robert's potential could have been post-2013, I have let it go and am willing to move forward with Kirk as long as he is signed to a reasonable amount and he isn't paid like a Top QB. My fear right now is that because the market for QB's is so starved we will either have to overpay him or see him starting for someone else next year.

Griffin wasn't bad in 2013. I am not sure why people keep saying he was. He was a typical 2nd year QB that the league adjusted to, not to mention he was playing with a brace on his knee to protect an injury that likely wasn't healed so you can even argue he should have never been on the field until mid-season to begin with. His passing stats however weren't bad. There is no doubt in my mind that when his knee got wrecked it did more to him than take away his ability to run and escape pressure. You talk to any player who has had to have reconstructive surgery and they will tell you it takes pretty much a season of playing on the repaired body part to strengthen it again and build your confidence mentally that you can once again fully use it.

Fast forward to 2014 and it seemed from the outside that Gruden was brought in to help develop Griffin but pretty much early on gave up on that idea for whatever reason and was looking to move on from Griffin asap. So do I think Griffin got a bit rail-roaded? Sure. I don't think it was personal though. I think it was a football decision as Gruden runs a WCO and felt that Griffin was not the best QB on the roster to run it.

Now, that's a completely different issue as to whether once Kirk was named the starter, if he went out and earned the right to stay the starter which IMO, he has and should be starting for us at least for the next couple of seasons. He has earned that right regardless and despite however you feel about the Griffin situation.

It's not really a Kirk vs. Griffin situation, it's a clown car organization issue that until very recently, never seemed to handle anything correctly.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1133038]Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?[/QUOTE]


Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isnt even remotely in that argument imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1133047]Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isn't even remotely in that argument imo.[/quote]Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.

Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.

Cheers!

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[QUOTE=30gut;1133049]Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.



Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.



Cheers![/QUOTE]


I dont give a hell about their numbers. Ill just strait up tell you that if they were both on the redskins rite now that KC would be the starter if it were up to me. And you can split hairs about my word choice or my supposed lack of understanding the two words. Dont care. What you said and than didnt say is all there in black and white. And what you exactly insinuated is that Fitz would be starting for us, and Griff is not starting because Jay does not like him even though he is the superior qb based on performance ability and blah blah blah.
I simply disagreed. Than you tried to back track and act as if u did not say such things. Again....stand by your posts, no matter how silly they are.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1133041]Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations?[/quote]Yes.

Obviously, very few situations are exactly alike but for me their situations have common elements.
If you're really interested in what I think those common elements are feel free to PM. But is this thread really the place for that?

[quote]Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.[/quote]We don't need to re-hash this. It seems many like to pretend that Griffin's [I][U]rookie[/U][/I] year didn't actually happen....but it did. And his superior talent, potential and production were on display.

Now do you want to quibble over old stuff where we disagree or acknowledge common ground where we agree that Kirk is better in this offense with Jay?

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[quote=punch it in;1133051]I dont give a hell about their numbers.[/quote]Lol, obviously. And 'not giving a hell about their numbers' is convenient place to stand.

[quote]Ill just strait up tell you that if they were both on the redskins rite now that KC would be the starter if it were up to me.[/quote]Um should I get you some cookies?

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[QUOTE=30gut;1133056]Lol, obviously. And 'not giving a hell about their numbers' is convenient place to stand.



Um should I get you some cookies?[/QUOTE]



Cousins has thrown for more yards snd has the better qbr. Its not convenience. Its that I dont need to look at their numbers to know who the better qb is, nor do I put too much stock into stats.
As for the cookies. No. If anybody else offered me cookies I would say No thank you. But when u offer me cookies it just creeps me out for some reason.

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TvG6IQC.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=30gut;1133049]Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.

Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.

Cheers![/quote]

Kirk edges Fitz in DYAR and DVOA:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015[/url]

And passer rating:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2015&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&qualified=true]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url]

With a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt]2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

But really, what do you think about not drafting a QB this year?

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I am not hating on anybody! Let me clear the air on my post..I would have LOVED IT if RGIII would have continued his fantastic play after his rookie season..however something drastic happened and anybody that knows anything about football witnessed his tremendous fall..I believe it was a combination of many things ..INJURIES,COACHING,His college background not preparing him to be a pocket passer, HIS ATTITUDE..the system..the opposing NFL defense catching up to his game..etc etc..anyways We gave up a ton to draft him and things were looking very bleak..luckily somebody had enough foresight to draft another QB later in that draft ..Kirk came here in the RGIII shadow and did what he was told..he supported RGIII . Now that he has his chance You darn skippy I am on board and pulling for him just like i did RGIII ! he is the best option we have this year and next unless we are willing to trade away the future again for another vet QB to come in here (Brees etc..) would i trade cousins for Brees..uh YES ..but who is gonna do that? I think Cousins right now is the best QB we have available to play for the Redskins ..that is who he is! nothing more nothing less. To the Cousins doubters I have question for you..IF he leaves after this season WHO WILL THE QB BE NEXT YEAR? and how much will we give up to get that QB? here is another question..Between RGIII and Cousins which one do you believe will have the longest and most productive career regardless of the team they play for.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1133068]Kirk edges Fitz in DYAR and DVOA:



[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015[/url]



And passer rating:



[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2015&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&qualified=true]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url]



With a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt]2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]



But really, what do you think about not drafting a QB this year?[/QUOTE]


Shhhh. Dont tell 30 gut or he wont offer you cookies.

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[quote=dyoungjelly;1133068]kirk edges fitz in dyar and dvoa:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]football outsiders: Innovative statistics, intelligent analysis | quarterbacks 2015[/url]

and passer rating:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabseq=1&season=2015&seasontype=reg&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticpositioncategory=quarterback&d-447263-s=passing_passer_rating&qualified=true]nfl stats: By player position[/url]

with a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsperrushattempt]2015 nfl team rushing stats - national football league - espn[/url]

[b]but really, what do you think about not drafting a qb this year?[/b][/quote]

That was PERFECT!

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Santana Moss' point of view regarding both KC and RGIII

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/12/18/santana-moss-rgiii-needs-a-second-chance-somewhere-else/[/url]

on KC
[QUOTE]
DC Sports Bog
Santana Moss: RGIII needs a second chance somewhere else

Moss also discussed Cousins, including the occasional comparisons to Chad Pennington, another quarterback Moss played with. The receiver said Cousins’s arm might be stronger than Pennington’s, but that Pennington accomplished too much to be compared with a first-year starter.

“But Kirk can be that guy. Kirk can be great,” Moss said. “And like I said years before, I see so much potential in those guys, and it just was sad that those guys both was young and had to be under each other. You can’t learn from nobody. It’s hard to just sit there.”

Moss also he thought Cousins sometimes tried to do too much early in his career to live up to Griffin’s example.

“I could be wrong…but at times [it seemed like] Kirk would say ‘I’m gonna muscle this ball in there because Robert muscled that in there.’ And Robert has that arm, and you’d [think] no, that ain’t Kirk’s style, don’t throw that Kirk. And we would say that in practice to each other. We never said that to him, but we knew the pressure. Kirk was trying to be on that field, so he was going to do things — I’m going to take a chance, even though I know my arm might not be as strong as his, I’m going to take a chance. But if you watch him play his game, he’s the best at playing his game.”[/QUOTE]

on RGIII
[QUOTE]“Griffin can be a quarterback in this league,” Moss said. “Honestly. I think he’s due a second chance somewhere. I can’t sit here and tell you if it’s here, because I feel like sometimes you need to get away. You need to leave [a place] where it just seems like it’s done. But I think he needs a second chance, and I just think he’s got to get in an offense like the first year, and be able to do special things.[/QUOTE]

pretty interesting piece that should give everybody a slightly different perspective

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Santana weighs in with more common sense than any writer or talking head who has covered the saga.

I don't think Griffin will be a starting NFL QB for a variety of reasons but he's right, he has to get out of DC and try.

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People still hanging on RGIII's nuts amaze me. He was a hazard to himself, it was quite obvious after that Detroit preseason game that he just wasn't making the transition to being a drop back passer and he was holding back the entire franchise. Making the move to Kirk and showing that draft status was no longer going to mean anything around here was a huge move, both on the field and in the locker room.