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I go to reddit for the videos.

I like videos.

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Reddit is great when you know what to avoid there.

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[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-coronavirus-vaccine-could-come-year-trump-says-experts-n1207411?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma[/url]

Fact check: A coronavirus vaccine could come this year, President Trump says. Experts say he needs a "miracle" to be right.

Fact check: Trump needs 'miracle' to be right about rosy vaccine timeline, experts say
“There’s a lot of things that could go wrong,” one expert said.


Here is NBC News fact checkers doing their typical garbage fake news

Think I might spend the day flooding the thread with the media lies about Trump not being able to deliver the vaccine this year.

The media lies for political purposes while actively routing for high death counts

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What is fake about it?

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Everything is fake. Lol. Trust absolutely no one or nothing.

The sky is not blue!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1268405][url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-coronavirus-vaccine-could-come-year-trump-says-experts-n1207411?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma[/url]

Fact check: A coronavirus vaccine could come this year, President Trump says. Experts say he needs a "miracle" to be right.

Fact check: Trump needs 'miracle' to be right about rosy vaccine timeline, experts say
“There’s a lot of things that could go wrong,” one expert said.
[/quote]

“I think it’s possible you could see a vaccine in people’s arms next year — by the middle or end of next year. But this is unprecedented, so it’s hard to predict,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

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Seems scientists were talking about when regular people like us getting the vaccine in 12-18 months from may 2020 (when trump made his comments). trump was talking about the date a vaccine may be developed.

All I know is .. if me and my family get the vaccine by May 2021, ill be happy. Im guessing (I have no clue) I wont get the vaccine until August 2021 or who knows when.

The US gets 100M Pfizer doses = 50 million americans (2 doses per person)

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Funny ... trying to take a victory lap around this little island of a Trump prediction but ignoring ALL the other Trump predictions re Covid.

I guess political victories are hard to come by for Trump when it comes to Covid.

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Trump has said so many stupid things about the virus it's not even worth going over again

Would any President in the same spot not have green lighted a fast track vaccine? It was a no brainer if there ever was one

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[quote=SunnySide;1268422]“I think it’s possible you could see a vaccine in people’s arms next year — by the middle or end of next year. But this is unprecedented, so it’s hard to predict,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

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Seems scientists were talking about when regular people like us getting the vaccine in 12-18 months from may 2020 (when trump made his comments). trump was talking about the date a vaccine may be developed.

All I know is .. if me and my family get the vaccine by May 2021, ill be happy. Im guessing (I have no clue) I wont get the vaccine until August 2021 or who knows when.

The US gets 100M Pfizer doses = 50 million americans (2 doses per person)

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Funny ... trying to take a victory lap around this little island of a Trump prediction but ignoring ALL the other Trump predictions re Covid.

I guess political victories are hard to come by for Trump when it comes to Covid.[/quote]

I know it’s painful for you SS that we did it. Delivered before the years end.

Go ahead and get back to guessing. Also, when we look at the data of most restrictive policies set by states and not by federal government (like it should be, again the right policy) take a look New Jersey and tell me what u see. Tell me how the polices of New York and other states who ordered covid patients into nursing homes...how did that go?

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[quote=MTK;1268426]Trump has said so many stupid things about the virus it's not even worth going over again

Would any President in the same spot not have green lighted a fast track vaccine? It was a no brainer if there ever was one[/quote]

Right, like when Obama had the intel to kill Bin Laden, he turned to Biden to ask his opinion, in which Joe responded “I wouldn’t go”

To assume this strategy is foolish beyond imagine. Especially with a fool who would say shutting down travel to China was racist and then shutting down travel to Europe was unfair to our friends.

Psshhh yeah...def not automatic.

The administration delivered beyond expectations

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[quote=Chico23231;1268430]Right, like when Obama had the intel to kill Bin Laden, he turned to Biden to ask his opinion, in which Joe responded “I wouldn’t go”

To assume this strategy is foolish beyond imagine. Especially with a fool who would say shutting down travel to China was racist and then shutting down travel to Europe was unfair to our friends.

Psshhh yeah...def not automatic.

The administration delivered beyond expectations[/quote]

Almost 300k dead.... highest death rate per 100k in the world.... delivered beyond expectations.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously lol.

The only thing Trump had to do was come out last January and say "listen, we have the best experts and we are going to rely on their advice. Our experts say wear a mask in public and social distance when possible, maybe cut back on unnecessary public events and hopefully we'll be through this quickly as possible since I am prioritizing any help the fed can offer to get a vaccine developed safely and quickly."

Boom, he would be praised. Legit praised. Even dems wouldn't have anything to complain about since he would've deferred to the experts, and he could take all the credit since he led a unified response.

Instead he called it a hoax, didn't take it seriously for 2 months, then kept trying to focus the blame on China (which does exactly fuck-all to stop the virus), ignored it for months and months on end while the death toll outpaced every civilized country in the world, but you still want his nut in your mouth because the only smart thing he did was say a vaccine needs to be rushed so he can look good for the election.

Chico you're never gonna have anyone's respect in this forum if you can't ever find the balls to split with Trump on anything. Why don't you just go join the Proud Boys so you can fall in line with all the other soldiers willing to die for Trump. You keep putting Trump on a pedestal, and for what? He would sell your support in 10 seconds if it put another nickel in his coffers.

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[url]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/23/donald-trump/trump-repeats-flawed-claim-biden-opposed-trumps-co/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1268430]Right, like when Obama had the intel to kill Bin Laden, he turned to Biden to ask his opinion, in which Joe responded “I wouldn’t go”

To assume this strategy is foolish beyond imagine. Especially with a fool who would say shutting down travel to China was racist and then shutting down travel to Europe was unfair to our friends.

Psshhh yeah...def not automatic.

The administration delivered beyond expectations[/quote]

If his response to the pandemic was truly beyond expectations he wouldn't have been given the boot.

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[quote=mooby;1268435]Almost 300k dead.... highest death rate per 100k in the world.... delivered beyond expectations.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously lol.

The only thing Trump had to do was come out last January and say "listen, we have the best experts and we are going to rely on their advice. Our experts say wear a mask in public and social distance when possible, maybe cut back on unnecessary public events and hopefully we'll be through this quickly as possible since I am prioritizing any help the fed can offer to get a vaccine developed safely and quickly."

Boom, he would be praised. Legit praised. Even dems wouldn't have anything to complain about since he would've deferred to the experts, and he could take all the credit since he led a unified response.

Instead he called it a hoax, didn't take it seriously for 2 months, then kept trying to focus the blame on China (which does exactly fuck-all to stop the virus), ignored it for months and months on end while the death toll outpaced every civilized country in the world, but you still want his nut in your mouth because the only smart thing he did was say a vaccine needs to be rushed so he can look good for the election.

Chico you're never gonna have anyone's respect in this forum if you can't ever find the balls to split with Trump on anything. Why don't you just go join the Proud Boys so you can fall in line with all the other soldiers willing to die for Trump. You keep putting Trump on a pedestal, and for what? He would sell your support in 10 seconds if it put another nickel in his coffers.[/quote]

Do you remember when he came out in January and started talking about it...you remember what happened? How was that reported? Do I need to post the articles again?

Can we agree with had no data on the disease in January, we didn’t know how it was transmitted.

Do you know how China stops the virus? They take people who test positive and lock them away with others. There is no arguing, no second test. People are taken immediately off the streets. They are what you call an authoritarian government where people have limited rights. They have slave labor and concentration camps. You have seen the videos of the wielding doors right?

Was Trump response perfect...nope, not close. Could he enforce mask wearing, nope that’s illegal. Is he a terrible communicator...yup, all day long. Says stupid shit...yup, daily.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1268436][url]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/23/donald-trump/trump-repeats-flawed-claim-biden-opposed-trumps-co/[/url][/quote]

Lol...I guess just weird timing Baltimore, right? I guess the other Democrats making similar statements within the 24 hour period after the imposed travel restrictions were just by chance as well.

Seems honest and not in bad faith

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[quote=mooby;1268435]Almost 300k dead.... highest death rate per 100k in the world.... delivered beyond expectations.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously lol.

The only thing Trump had to do was come out last January and say "listen, we have the best experts and we are going to rely on their advice. Our experts say wear a mask in public and social distance when possible, maybe cut back on unnecessary public events and hopefully we'll be through this quickly as possible since I am prioritizing any help the fed can offer to get a vaccine developed safely and quickly."

[B]Boom, he would be praised. Legit praised[/B]. Even dems wouldn't have anything to complain about since he would've deferred to the experts, and he could take all the credit since he led a unified response.

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Lol...just my favorite part of your post. Right people praised him all right when he did start talking about.

You remember this tweet by the scientist and experts in January?

World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
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Jan 14
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳

But please, continue to gas light

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[quote=Chico23231;1268460]Lol...I guess just weird timing Baltimore, right? I guess the other Democrats making similar statements within the 24 hour period after the imposed travel restrictions were just by chance as well.

Seems honest and not in bad faith[/quote]

Kind of like a reverse dog whistle?

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1268436][url]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/23/donald-trump/trump-repeats-flawed-claim-biden-opposed-trumps-co/[/url][/QUOTE]This is why fact checking is flawed. Though the article says Trump's claim is false it also has this paragraph buried in it
[quote]Biden did not directly say that he thought Trump shouldn’t have restricted travel from China when he did. The former vice president did accuse Trump of "xenophobia" in an Iowa campaign speech the same day, Jan. 31, that Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced the administration's travel restrictions on people who were in China 14 days prior to their attempted entry into the U.S.
Biden*said: "This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, and fear-mongering to lead the way instead of science
[/quote] so Biden did accuse Trump of xenophobia on the same day that the administration put the Chinese travel ban in place. And what were the Democrats concerned about on the 31st of January? Impeachment.

Ah well. Thankfully there is a vaccine coming out and hopefully the coming year will bring healing in more ways than just health. One can hope.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1268440]If his response to the pandemic was truly beyond expectations he wouldn't have been given the boot.[/QUOTE]74 million people voted for him. Yes i know he lost, not arguing that, but Trump was given the boot because of 4 years of media hack jobs and his own insufferable style. Trump could have brokered multiple Arab Israeli peace deals, end Isis' caliphate, led the stock market to record highs, gotten NATO countries to pay more of the expense in mutual defense costs, brought a COVID vaccine thru testing and trials in record time, set record lows in minority unemployment, and brokered a new trade agreement between Mexico Canada and the US and still been vilified by half the country.

That is just America 2020.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1268516]74 million people voted for him. Yes i know he lost, not arguing that, but Trump was given the boot because of 4 years of media hack jobs and his own insufferable style. Trump could have brokered multiple Arab Israeli peace deals, end Isis' caliphate, led the stock market to record highs, gotten NATO countries to pay more of the expense in mutual defense costs, brought a COVID vaccine thru testing and trials in record time, set record lows in minority unemployment, and brokered a new trade agreement between Mexico Canada and the US and still been vilified by half the country.

That is just America 2020.

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The pandemic response, or lack thereof, is a factor in there too.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1268513]Kind of like a reverse dog whistle?[/quote]

Ha...absolutely not, just as we have seen in most Democrats responses to the Trump administration it’s Democrats talking points which are contrived, planned and spoken in unison by party leaders...Hilary, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden all said the same thing within that time period.

Of course they cry racist or xenophobic...not only is a lie , but disingenuous...It’s an act which most Americans see thru at this point.

Its as laughable as Mooby saying Dems would have praised Trump if he would have said social distance and mask wearing in January. Absolutely they would never have.

I’m still waiting for that Mitt Romney Democrats praise when he said Russia was our greatest threat.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1268520]The pandemic response, or lack thereof, is a factor in there too.[/QUOTE]It cut both ways, but I doubt any president was going to solve the pandemic in 6 months leading up to an election without the other side criticizing every move and action. That is politics today in America and both sides are guilty of it.

Let's keep in mind that Europe (at least France Germany amnd Britain) just went back into deep lockdowns, the world is 'mostly' still in this regardless of the political system or compliance (short of totalitarian dictates and even then we don't really know) or such small and homegeous isolated countries like New Zealand that early isolation was an effective response.

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Cant be a President to just red states, shit on blue states and expect to be president of the United States.

Trump had a chance to be a transformative figure ... instead he chose to spend his 4 years as president campaigning in red states echoing far right conservative talking points.

Fuck trump.

I hope to piss on his grave one day.

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[quote=sunnyside;1268530]cant be a president to just red states, shit on blue states and expect to be president of the united states.

Trump had a chance to be a transformative figure ... Instead he chose to spend his 4 years as president campaigning in red states echoing far right conservative talking points.

Fuck trump.

I hope to piss on his grave one day.[/quote]

[b]this!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1268516]74 million people voted for him. Yes i know he lost, not arguing that, but Trump was given the boot because of 4 years of media hack jobs and his own insufferable style. Trump could have brokered multiple Arab Israeli peace deals, end Isis' caliphate, led the stock market to record highs, gotten NATO countries to pay more of the expense in mutual defense costs, brought a COVID vaccine thru testing and trials in record time, set record lows in minority unemployment, and brokered a new trade agreement between Mexico Canada and the US and still been vilified by half the country.

That is just America 2020.

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.......and over 80 million voted him out .The man has never won the popular vote

1) That's crap!

2) He sold this country out for his own personal gain

3) trump lost because he is a shitty president, person and human being.

4) The Black eye he has given our Democracy and our Country will take decades to erase,.........if ever. Fuck trump!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1268527]It cut both ways, but I doubt any president was going to solve the pandemic in 6 months leading up to an election without the other side criticizing every move and action. That is politics today in America and both sides are guilty of it.

Let's keep in mind that Europe (at least France Germany amnd Britain) just went back into deep lockdowns, the world is 'mostly' still in this regardless of the political system or compliance (short of totalitarian dictates and even then we don't really know) or such small and homegeous isolated countries like New Zealand that early isolation was an effective response.

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Oh please just spare us! No one ever asked him to solve the pandemic they wanted leadership and help and make it clear no one ever blamed him for it but his response was total an utter BS and his politicized it, fuck trump!

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G1 - I agree with one thing you wrote, so I will focus on that -

Trump definitely lost because he is a shitty person/human being. I am not spilling tears because he is out, but because the Republicans and Democrats can't field non-shitty candidates. We as americans need better than Trump or Biden, I would have said deserve, except we, unfortunately, get who we vote for.

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Just imagine if the economy was a middling, slow growth or down turn and then pandemic came along.

Thankfully with one of the all time, strongest economy the world has ever witnessed,..it didn’t collapsed and in fact it allowed v curve recovery unlike anything we’ve every seen.

With as soft as this nation has become, would have been interesting to see what would have happened if we weren’t at the point of max employment, strong growth, innovation, etc

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[quote=Chico23231;1268525]Ha...absolutely not, just as we have seen in most Democrats responses to the Trump administration it’s Democrats talking points which are contrived, planned and spoken in unison by party leaders...Hilary, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden all said the same thing within that time period.

Of course they cry racist or xenophobic...not only is a lie , but disingenuous...It’s an act which most Americans see thru at this point.

Its as laughable as Mooby saying Dems would have praised Trump if he would have said social distance and mask wearing in January. Absolutely they would never have.

I’m still waiting for that Mitt Romney Democrats praise when he said Russia was our greatest threat.[/quote]

They need to come up with a better message and soon IMO. The "We're not Trump is only going to go so far" Focus on issues important to most Americans: improved infrastructure especially rural areas ( How we have communities internet inaccessible in this day and age is a national problem) I know you don't agree here but universal healthcare and climate change both huge job creators too. Those three issues seem to be on back burner.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtoxvSTXcAgJDGx?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

If you thought the left and mainstream media was stopping at Indian name, well you are simply incompetent

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[quote=Chico23231;1276757][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtoxvSTXcAgJDGx?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

If you thought the left and mainstream media was stopping at Indian name, well you are simply incompetent[/quote]

chico , you have seriously bad problem, no joke see a Doctor .

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This thread is so full of bullshit. Lol.

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My bet for the SB, was this thread would get funny by the end of the game.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276757]

If you thought the left and mainstream media was stopping at Indian name, well you are simply incompetent[/quote]

The only problem I see here is yet again you taking one article, written by one woman, and expanding that to mean the entire Democratic party endorses her bullshit.

BTW, I totally endorse her. Back in 18-ought-62, my village was raided by pirates. They raped and pillaged their way across the land. Still have PTSD about it to this day. Getting rid of the name Buccaneers would go a long way towards resolving those hurt feelings.

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[quote=mooby;1276893]The only problem I see here is yet again you taking one article, written by one woman, and expanding that to mean the entire Democratic party endorses her bullshit.

BTW, I totally endorse her. Back in 18-ought-62, my village was raided by pirates. They raped and pillaged their way across the land. Still have PTSD about it to this day. Getting rid of the name Buccaneers would go a long way towards resolving those hurt feelings.[/quote]

PC bullshit, word police, cancel culture, are all staples in liberal group thought...the samething espoused here. This type of garbage is on brand for the Wash Post

But I appreciate u agreeing this is a garbage article.

I wish there was more liberal pushing back against pc, word police, cancel culture etc...I often think they actually fear stepping out of the group think fascism because they aren’t strong enough to take the criticism...they know the consequences because this is the culture they helped build.

It’s easier to agree or stay silent

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1276929]PC bullshit, word police, cancel culture, are all staples in liberal group thought...the samething espoused here. This type of garbage is on brand for the Wash Post



But I appreciate u agreeing this is a garbage article.



I wish there was more liberal pushing back against pc, word police, cancel culture etc...I often think they actually fear stepping out of the group think fascism because they aren’t strong enough to take the criticism...they know the consequences because this is the culture they helped build.



It’s easier to agree or stay silent[/QUOTE]



LOL. Some things never change. All that cancel culture “bullshit” is just canceling the good ole boys ways and means of keeping themselves on top of the game. You wanna call that the liberal agenda go for it. Should be everyone’s agenda but the right wants to leave well enough alone.

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Receipts are a helluva drug

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I thought conservatives cancelled the NFL bc of Keapernick?

And Disney bc of Frozens' "gay agenda"

And Cherrios bc it crammed PC culture down their throat with an interracial couple commerical

And Goodyear tires bc a guy couldnt wear a MAGA hat at work

and French Fries .. bc the word "french" is in there

and Dixie Chicks ..

and Taylor Swift ..

Keurig Coffee makers ...

of course Starbucks bc they say "happy holidays" and not "merry christmas"

Netflix .. for doing a Obama series

Budweiser .. something about not using clydedales

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The bottom line is I am amazed that conservatives think they were the ones who have been victimized and silenced the last 4 years.

Truly amazing.

Conservatives were the ones without a voice during Trumps 4 years .. lol.

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[quote=SunnySide;1276951]I thought conservatives cancelled the NFL bc of Keapernick?

And Disney bc of Frozens' "gay agenda"

And Cherrios bc it crammed PC culture down their throat with an interracial couple commerical

And Goodyear tires bc a guy couldnt wear a MAGA hat at work

and French Fries .. bc the word "french" is in there

and Dixie Chicks ..

and Taylor Swift ..

Keurig Coffee makers ...

of course Starbucks bc they say "happy holidays" and not "merry christmas"

Netflix .. for doing a Obama series

Budweiser .. something about not using clydedales[/quote]

Lol...all canceled right?

Not knowing dissent/criticism from punishment... Is the logic fallacy here.

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Not a surprise here but I'm sure chico will say something about it.



[url]https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-uphold-permanent-ban-against-153519933.html[/url]

Twitter to uphold permanent ban against Trump, even if he were to run for office again

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Just saving this for posterity. Rare are the moments I get to see Tucker Carlson all excited because his guest agrees with him on the hypocrisy of the Davos elite flying there on private jets, before realizing the guy isn't his friend and won't help him push his agenda.