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[quote=MTK;1197077]The wall has got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever[/quote]

it just got 10 ft higher!

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[QUOTE=MTK;1197077]The wall has got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever[/QUOTE]



Simple idea for simple minded people that symbolizes keeping the “different” kind of people out. Said it once and ill say it again. Put him on the other side of it and you will get unanimous support to build it asap!

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[quote=MTK;1197077]The wall has got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever[/quote]

Walls have been successful throughout history at keeping people out. Keeping them in not so much.

It's "dumb" because as G1 would say - you don't like it, but in terms of effectiveness, there is no better method to deter illegal border crossing.

[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma-sector-proves-it-elaine-duke-column/586853001/"]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma-sector-proves-it-elaine-duke-column/586853001/[/URL]

[URL="https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/"]https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/[/URL]

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You know how to stop the drug trafficking? Stop doing them. Fuck the wall.

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It's dumb because it's a huge waste of money. It's dumb because Mexico isn't going to pay for it. It's dumb because undocumented migration from Mexico has sharply declined since it peaked in 2008. And most of all it's dumb because... [URL="https://www.ksat.com/news/border-news/sheriff-more-than-110-drug-tunnels-discovered-in-border-town-of-nogales"]tunnels[/URL].

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[quote=punch it in;1197083]You know how to stop the drug trafficking? Stop doing them. Fuck the wall.[/quote]

buy American made...loving my new vape oil/wax pen from DC!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1197085]buy American made...loving my new vape oil/wax pen from DC![/QUOTE]



Yeah my stepson just took a job down there. Wish I could join him when i visit but Im in a holding pattern for a new job so I gotta be careful.
I was obviously referring to the crap drugs which so many of these hypocrites who want the wall built are obviously on. Wasn’t a direct quote to you Cred. Hope u didn’t take it as such.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1197084]It's dumb because it's a huge waste of money. It's dumb because Mexico isn't going to pay for it. It's dumb because undocumented migration from Mexico has sharply declined since it peaked in 2008. And most of all it's dumb because... [URL="https://www.ksat.com/news/border-news/sheriff-more-than-110-drug-tunnels-discovered-in-border-town-of-nogales"]tunnels[/URL].[/QUOTE]



I would add its dumb because who the fuck are the white people to say “get out” but i digress....

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[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime.html"]Trump repeatedly denied collusion. Now his lawyer Rudy Giuliani says: 'Collusion is not a crime'[/URL]

:doh:

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[quote=MTK;1197084]It's dumb because it's a huge waste of money. It's dumb because Mexico isn't going to pay for it. It's dumb because undocumented migration from Mexico has sharply declined since it peaked in 2008. And most of all it's dumb because... [URL="https://www.ksat.com/news/border-news/sheriff-more-than-110-drug-tunnels-discovered-in-border-town-of-nogales"]tunnels[/URL].[/quote]

............and it's dumb becuase it is not the only way people come into this country illegally.No wall for the Canadian border or the West or East coast,I wonder why? No wall for Florida?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1197066][url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/study-medicare-for-all-projected-to-cost-dollar326-trillion/ar-BBLf3wp?ocid=ientp]Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion[/url]



This is how socialism works. I don't fear, democrats, republicans, progressives, ultra conservatives, fringe conspiracy theorist, etc.



I fear socialism and the extreme false narrative it creates...because its appealing to the inexperienced, young people. Fuck socialism.[/QUOTE]


Fear of what exactly?

[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17631240/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-32-trillion-cost-voxcare[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1197097]Fear of what exactly?

[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17631240/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-32-trillion-cost-voxcare[/url][/quote]

But.but.but... 32 trillion! How dare we ask the gov't to pay for that when it should come out of hardworking Americans pockets?

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You have a lot of nerve asking Chico on why other Americans should have health care . God forbid the Medical community free ride is over ,now they have to stand in line like everyone else. No more BS about being uninsured,no more BS about pre existing conditions , no more BS about the VA since it will all be covered. The cost of prescriptions will drop since they will deal with the goverment it self. Why shouldn't chico be afraid of all that?

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[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-medicare-for-all-plan-touted-by-bernie-sanders-would-cost-32-6-trillion/[/url]

Fear:

“Sanders' office has not done a cost analysis, a spokesman said.” (I mean, why would ya?)

“There are going to be a lot of people who'll pay more in taxes than they save on premiums.”

Socialism, no bueno

“After taking into account current government health care financing, the study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs.”

I thought the Obamacare solved everything?

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I am always amazed how seductive socialist philosophy is.

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[quote=Chico23231;1197100][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-medicare-for-all-plan-touted-by-bernie-sanders-would-cost-32-6-trillion/[/url]

Fear:

“Sanders' office has not done a cost analysis, a spokesman said.” (I mean, why would ya?)

“There are going to be a lot of people who'll pay more in taxes than they save on premiums.”

Socialism, no bueno

“After taking into account current government health care financing, the study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs.”

I thought the Obamacare solved everything?[/quote]


trump doesn't want Obama care to work and nether does the cult. Typical fuck America stuff.
[url]https://www.cbpp.org/sabotage-watch-tracking-efforts-to-undermine-the-aca[/url]

[url=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/study-trumps-aca-sabotage-to-leave-millions-more-uninsured.html]Study: Trump’s ACA Sabotage to Leave Millions More Uninsured[/url]

[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-is-sabotaging-obamacare-120272/[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197103]I am always amazed how seductive socialist philosophy is.[/quote]




..............I am always amazed at how gullible the trump faithful are!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197103]I am always amazed how seductive socialist philosophy is.[/quote]

Right, because our current system works ever so well. $100 bucks for a bag of saline solution that costs $5 across the border. Capitalism baby! How much is your life worth Cred? I got 10 bucks that says the insurance industry has put a dollar figure on it.

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[quote=Giantone;1197107]trump doesn't want Obama care to work and nether does the cult. Typical fuck America stuff.
[url]https://www.cbpp.org/sabotage-watch-tracking-efforts-to-undermine-the-aca[/url]

[url=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/study-trumps-aca-sabotage-to-leave-millions-more-uninsured.html]Study: Trump’s ACA Sabotage to Leave Millions More Uninsured[/url]

[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-is-sabotaging-obamacare-120272/[/url][/quote]

Own it. 8 years to get the Affordable healthcare to work. It failed. Own it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1197119]Own it. 8 years to get the Affordable healthcare to work. It failed. Own it.[/quote]

Own what??? Is it perfect .ohhh hell no. Yet you correct what is wrong with it and as was seen people got to know it and weren't afraid of it despite the political rhetoric hyping for death-panels.

What you need to [B]OWN IS YOUR PRESIDENT OPENLY TRYING TO SABOTAGE IT! YOU OWN IT![/B]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1197119]Own it. 8 years to get the Affordable healthcare to work. It failed. Own it.[/QUOTE]Never will happen. And to a degree I agree with G1, the Republican Congress, and now Trump, have never been behind it enough to do what would have happened to make it "work". The difference is that I agree with the Republicans that that's what they should do because it's a terrible terrible concept but you can't put the blame on Obama because his true dream of what he wants was never implemented just a watered down version that was supposed to fail so that when Hillary was elected they could then move to the real system that the liberal progressives want.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197135]Never will happen. And to a degree I agree with G1, the Republican Congress, and now Trump, have never been behind it enough to do what would have happened to make it "work". The difference is that I agree with the Republicans that that's what they should do because it's a terrible terrible concept but you can't put the blame on Obama because his true dream of what he wants was never implemented just a watered down version that was supposed to fail so that when Hillary was elected they could then move to the real system that the liberal progressives want.[/quote]
No, you mean what America wants.

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If you pass a piece of legislation and sell it to the country has path-changing then you own it. plain and simple.

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[quote=Chico23231;1197137]If you pass a piece of legislation and sell it to the country has path-changing then you own it. plain and simple.[/quote]

LOL, spin it,spin it!

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[quote=Chico23231;1197137]If you pass a piece of legislation and sell it to the country has path-changing then you own it. plain and simple.[/quote]

That's right chico ignore the facts, ignore that trump is hurting millions of Americans !winning!:smashfreak:

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[quote=Giantone;1197144]LOL, spin it,spin it![/quote]

You know with me no spin. I gotta a idea for the name of my political talk show....the no spin zone...I think I’m on to something!

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[quote=Giantone;1197136]No, you mean what America wants.[/quote]

No, I meant what I said. Liberal progressives want a style of government paid healthcare that is extremely socialistic.

Americans are evenly split on the matter so you can't rightly claim it's what America wants, without acknowledging your own "republican" bias in that statement.

from[URL="https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx"] Gallup poll[/URL]
[quote]Which of the following approaches for providing healthcare in the United States would you prefer -- [ROTATED: a government-run healthcare system (or) a system based mostly on private health insurance]?
Government-run system(GRS)
System based on private insurance(PI)
No opinion (NO)

% ...................... GRS .... PI.... NO
2017 Nov 2-8........47.....48.....5
2016 Nov 9-13......43.....53.....4
2015 Nov 4-8.......41.....55.....4
2014 Nov 6-9.......35.....61.....4
2013 Nov 7-10.....34.....61.....5
2012 Nov 15-18...36.....57.....6
2011 Nov 3-6.......39.....56.....6
2010 Nov 4-7.......34.....61.....5[/quote]

Up until 2014, America was clearly in the Private insurance side, but there has been an intense campaign around it, and bridged the gap to make it a fairly equal distribution.

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[quote=Chico23231;1197146]You know with me no spin. I gotta a idea for the name of my political talk show....the no spin zone...I think I’m on to something![/quote]

You could always try the "no sin zone" but that would leave you with not being able to talk about trump.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197147]No, I meant what I said. Liberal progressives want a style of government paid healthcare that is extremely socialistic.

Americans are evenly split on the matter so you can't rightly claim it's what America wants, without acknowledging your own "republican" bias in that statement.

from[URL="https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx"] Gallup poll[/URL]


Up until 2014, America was clearly in the Private insurance side, but there has been an intense campaign around it, and bridged the gap to make it a fairly equal distribution.[/quote]

I think your numbers are off.

[url]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/62-percent-u-s-want-federal-government-ensure-health-care-poll-says[/url]

[url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/]Support for single-payer health insurance grows in U.S. | Pew Research Center[/url]

[url]http://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/368536-here-is-an-american-solution-to-universal-health-care[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1197149]I think your numbers are off.

[url]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/62-percent-u-s-want-federal-government-ensure-health-care-poll-says[/url]

[url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/]Support for single-payer health insurance grows in U.S. | Pew Research Center[/url]

[url]http://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/368536-here-is-an-american-solution-to-universal-health-care[/url][/QUOTE]

From your articles
[Quote]Overall, 33% of the public now favors such a “single payer” approach[/Quote]

[QUOTE]Among Democrats, only 22 percent actually want the ACA kept just as it is[/QUOTE]

Seems like most americans agree that the law as is sucks. What it should be replaced with is split, like i said before

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197150]From your articles




Seems like most americans agree that the law as is sucks. What it should be replaced with is split, like i said before[/quote]

post #1060, keep spinning and cherry picking.

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I wonder who this will help???


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/1d4ab237-a79d-3c1f-8357-835651a42dd9/ss_trump%27s-idea-for-a-%24100.html[/url]

According to independent analyses, Trump's plan would mainly benefit wealthy Americans, who make up a larger portion of asset sales. The Penn-Wharton Budget Model estimated that the change would cut taxes by $102 billion over 10 years, with 97.5% of the benefit from capital-gains inflation indexing going to the top 10% of income earners. In fact, according to its estimate, 63% of the benefit would go to just the top 0.1% of income earners.

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In post 1060 you say its not perfect, i agree. You want to fix it one way, i want to get rid of it and go with a more private insurance solution. We have just shown in a microcosm of my post that most if not all americans think the aca needs to change but we disagree on how.[QUOTE=Giantone;1197151]post #1060, keep spinning and cherry picking.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197153]In post 1060 you say its not perfect, i agree. You want to fix it one way, i want to get rid of it and go with a more private insurance solution. We have just shown in a microcosm of my post that most if not all americans think the aca needs to change but we disagree on how.[/quote]
No what I said is that it was never perfect and I never have said it was but it was better than what some people had which was nothing and my links show many more want it the ACA to stay and just be fixed .Again you spin and yes cherry pick becuase the post was about trump and his goal of sabotaging the ACA and hurting the American people just to get what he wants.

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The Man is a complete Moron.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-trump-said-apos-id-010316447.html[/url]

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This explains the tweets, he is scared!

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/special-counsel-mueller-wants-ask-trump-obstruction-justice-204209578--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]

Special counsel Mueller wants to ask Trump about obstruction of justice: Sources originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.

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[quote=Giantone;1197191]This explains the tweets, he is scared!

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/special-counsel-mueller-wants-ask-trump-obstruction-justice-204209578--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]

Special counsel Mueller wants to ask Trump about obstruction of justice: Sources originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.[/quote]

G1, clearly you don't understand the law. Every innocent man under investigation always takes every opportunity badmouth the investigators every chance they get. It's a time-honored tactic that has proven effective time and time again.

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[quote=mooby;1197193]G1, clearly you don't understand the law. Every innocent man under investigation always takes every opportunity badmouth the investigators every chance they get. It's a time-honored tactic that has proven effective time and time again.[/quote]

I apologize , my bad.:joecool:

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[QUOTE=mooby;1197193]G1, clearly you don't understand the law. Every innocent man under investigation always takes every opportunity badmouth the investigators every chance they get. It's a time-honored tactic that has proven effective time and time again.[/QUOTE]I defy any man not to be scared of 17 angry democrats. Them dudes are vicious! :joecool:

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Gosh Darn Religious fanatics

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-talks-prison-reform-pastors-191944189--politics.html"]Pastor praises Trump as 'pro-black' at prison reform event-Associated Press[/URL]