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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281405]Honestly nothing will replace Redskins... Redwolves, Warriors , Wolves etc are all dumb.

The Washington Football Team is clean and timeless, put the W on the helmet and call it done.[/quote]

If you were going to go lame, like most of those names, go Washington Whigs and hand out colonial wigs at games. LOL. :-(

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The only reason i wouldnt be all in for a rodgers trade is that we could well trade away picks that exist longer than his tenure would be. Rodgers, while great, is no spring chicken. at 38, who knows how many years he has left. He is one of my favorite current players to watch, and i root for him...but i dont know that i would want to mortgage any type of future for a 38 year old qb. couple in a camp and a new system and all new teammates for him to get acclimated to...i just dont think it would be worth it. how crazy would it be to have a 2023 2nd or third round pick going to gb, when rodgers retired the year before. that would eat me up inside...unless he won a sb with us. but thats a huge leap of faith as we were still only 7-9 last year.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1283474]The only reason i wouldnt be all in for a rodgers trade is that we could well trade away picks that exist longer than his tenure would be. Rodgers, while great, is no spring chicken. at 38, who knows how many years he has left. He is one of my favorite current players to watch, and i root for him...but i dont know that i would want to mortgage any type of future for a 38 year old qb. couple in a camp and a new system and all new teammates for him to get acclimated to...i just dont think it would be worth it. how crazy would it be to have a 2023 2nd or third round pick going to gb, when rodgers retired the year before. that would eat me up inside...unless he won a sb with us. but thats a huge leap of faith as we were still only 7-9 last year.[/quote]

We share the same concerns about trading for Rodgers.. Granted, Rodgers is one of the best QBs in NFL history and he looks like he can play for next few years but the fact that he is already considering retirement is a concern. Rodgers would need to convince me that he will play longer than than next 1-2 years, in order for me to make a trade offer.

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[quote=GridIron26;1283475]We share the same concerns about trading for Rodgers.. Granted, Rodgers is one of the best QBs in NFL history and he looks like he can play for next few years but the fact that he is already considering retirement is a concern. Rodgers would need to convince me that he will play longer than than next 1-2 years, in order for me to make a trade offer.[/quote]

This

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And that!

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I have to ask the question why Rodgers would come here, given other choices? He's obviously going to be looking for a high profile team that gives him the chance at another SB, so that doesn't rule us out but it doesn't give us any edge over other teams the at would be in the running. I agree he would be a good target, but I don't think we're a target for him.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283479]I have to ask the question why Rodgers would come here, given other choices? He's obviously going to be looking for a high profile team that gives him the chance at another SB, so that doesn't rule us out but it doesn't give us any edge over other teams the at would be in the running. I agree he would be a good target, but I don't think we're a target for him.[/quote]

We’re a better target than the Broncos and Raiders.

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[quote=Scalper;1283471]I concur.
The only scenario I see is if we trade him (ha, ha) or don't intend to sign high priced FAs next year.
This year we might get no comp because our other high-priced FAs would probably cancel him out.
I don't think the FO is being that clever. I think they looked at a roster with 20 holes on it, and couldn't address everything, so paid Scherff and will address G next year if he leaves. Keep in mind, FO could not know Flowers would be available for certain. Not defending the decision, but that's what I think thought process was. Basically, never-healthy Scherff wants a deal that pays about $7M less, on average, of what Jackson AND Samuel make combined.
[B]I think next year you clear Collins and Scherff off books and lock up Allen and Payne long term[/B].[/quote]


I sure hope this happens ....

Nothing against Scherff, but keeping that D-Line in tact as long as possible, without blowing up your entire salary cap, should be the priority.

And .... I assume that will be the case, given Rivera's defensive back ground.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283480]We’re a better target than the Broncos and Raiders.[/quote]

Denver maybe not, but LV wouldn't be that far from LA to suit his Mrs. Are they just a top QB away? Maybe not but it's a good market for him to move to and gets him away from the tundra of nothing else. 😁

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283479]I have to ask the question why Rodgers would come here, given other choices? He's obviously going to be looking for a high profile team that gives him the chance at another SB, so that doesn't rule us out but it doesn't give us any edge over other teams the at would be in the running. I agree he would be a good target, but I don't think we're a target for him.[/quote]

He is going to want somewhere glamorous for wife. But what take chance on THE DAN when other teams have long history of competence. Too great a risk for end of career. Won't matter, GB isn't trading him.

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[quote=GridIron26;1283475]We share the same concerns about trading for Rodgers.. Granted, Rodgers is one of the best QBs in NFL history and he looks like he can play for next few years but the fact that he is already considering retirement is a concern. Rodgers would need to convince me that he will play longer than than next 1-2 years, in order for me to make a trade offer.[/quote]

Agreed, and that's no guarantee.
I know he's coming off an MVP season. But not everybody is Brady, people act like it's a lock Aaron's gonna play until 42... He's also had a fair share of injuries.

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This country has approximately 175-200 million women. But somehow Rodgers found an actress (not his first one either). Amazing odds. Not to mention a Nascar driver.

Aaron Rodgers loves Aaron Rodgers. And loves being famous.

I'm not selling the farm for him. He probably looks down on farms anyways.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1283495]This country has approximately 175-200 million women. But somehow Rodgers found an actress (not his first one either). Amazing odds. Not to mention a Nascar driver.

Aaron Rodgers loves Aaron Rodgers. And loves being famous.

I'm not selling the farm for him. He probably looks down on farms anyways.[/quote]

Yeah he is def all about himself

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283447]Might be weird, but I completely understand the thinking behind trading for Rodgers, and I'm not calling it crazy, because being an instant SB contender does have some appeal... But I'm still strongly against it.
And it's not about some sort of moral compass telling me what's "right" and "wrong" in building a team.
It's actually about winning. Long term.

I don't want to be a 2-3 years wonder. I want to make the playoffs 85% of the time, and have a chance at the big thing several times a decade.

I saw an other offer being 2 firsts, 2 seconds, Fitz and Ioannidis.
My issue is, as many said before, with how the cap works, we KNOW we won't be able to resign all of Allen, Payne, Young, Sweat, Terry etc... (Especially if we have a nearly 40M/yr QB) So we're gonna NEED some high draft picks to replace them. Because if we don't, regardless of how this 2-3 years ride goes... We're kinda back to the basement... and I don't want that...

Oh and btw we don't have 37M of available cap space, so who you cutting ?[/quote]

Who wouldn't want to be a serious contender for the next decade? But the truth is a long term dynasty is rare. Teams that rise up for a couple of years and have a 2-3 year window to win the SB is what happens most of the time. Rodgers would give us that. I'm not going to waste much breath on this because I think the chances of him coming here are slim at best, but it sure would be a fun ride to go on and I'd be fine with whatever it took to get him here.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283479]I have to ask the question why Rodgers would come here, given other choices? He's obviously going to be looking for a high profile team that gives him the chance at another SB, so that doesn't rule us out but it doesn't give us any edge over other teams the at would be in the running. I agree he would be a good target, but I don't think we're a target for him.[/quote]

Maybe the best defense in the NFL, good O-line and a ton of WRs instead of just one. Weapons at other positions, highly-respected coach, large media market...no Wisconsin weather.

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[quote=MTK;1283500]Who wouldn't want to be a serious contender for the next decade? But the truth is a long term dynasty is rare. Teams that rise up for a couple of years and have a 2-3 year window to win the SB is what happens most of the time. Rodgers would give us that. I'm not going to waste much breath on this because I think the chances of him coming here are slim at best, but it sure would be a fun ride to go on and I'd be fine with whatever it took to get him here.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283507]Maybe the best defense in the NFL, good O-line and a ton of WRs instead of just one. Weapons at other positions, highly-respected coach, large media market...no Wisconsin weather.[/quote]

and the chance to stay in the NFC, with GB on the schedule this year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283512]and the chance to stay in the NFC, with GB on the schedule this year.[/QUOTE]This would be a reason for Rodgers but also heavy incentive for GB not to trade him to us. If I am GB I trade him to Denver, high altitude, plays KC 2 times plus has to get past KC in the playoffs for a chance to get to the SB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283513]This would be a reason for Rodgers but also heavy incentive for GB not to trade him to us. If I am GB I trade him to Denver, high altitude, plays KC 2 times plus has to get past KC in the playoffs for a chance to get to the SB.

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GB should trade him to the highest bidder. Especially if this breakup is as ugly as it seems from the outside why placate Rodgers and trade him to somewhere he wants to go like Denver.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283514]GB should trade him to the highest bidder. Especially if this breakup is as ugly as it seems from the outside why placate Rodgers and trade him to somewhere he wants to go like Denver.[/QUOTE]If the bids are dramatically different than yes highest bidder. But if they are about the same, and one means facing Rodgers in the regular season and potentially in the playoffs, and one means playing him only in the superbowl, I would choose the latter.

I also think Denver would substantially out bid us.

I don't think they would be trading to Denver to placate Rodgers as much as it is better for their own playoff/SB chances.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1283513]This would be a reason for Rodgers but also heavy incentive for GB not to trade him to us. If I am GB I trade him to Denver, high altitude, plays KC 2 times plus has to get past KC in the playoffs for a chance to get to the SB.

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Or LV. Close enough to LA for either of them to commute, a showbiz market and possibly more ready to win than Denver.

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Denver with a QB would be substantially better than LV with a change of QB

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Anyone else just want to hear WFT news for the sake of hearing WFT news. I hate the off-season, and with the kool-aid flowing freely, I just want the season to start (after a few more off-season acquisitions, specifically Leno)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283534]Anyone else just want to hear WFT news for the sake of hearing WFT news. I hate the off-season, and with the kool-aid flowing freely, I just want the season to start (after a few more off-season acquisitions, specifically Leno)[/quote]

Schedule drop on Wed, should be plenty to discuss then

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283534]Anyone else just want to hear WFT news for the sake of hearing WFT news. I hate the off-season, and with the kool-aid flowing freely, I just want the season to start (after a few more off-season acquisitions, specifically Leno)[/quote]

Every day of my life.

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Rookie mini camp coming soon , so lots of exagerrated takes on how great our draftees are going to be 😁

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283543]Rookie mini camp coming soon , so lots of exagerrated takes on how great our draftees are going to be 😁[/quote]

can't wait to hear how guys are flying around in shorts and helmets lol

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Does anyone see any of our veterans boycotting voluntary workouts as the NFLPA wants? Honestly I cannot think of a guy on the roster who would, Rons competitive culture is taking hold and the types of guys we have want to work to get better, any thoughts

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283543]Rookie mini camp coming soon , so lots of exagerrated takes on how great our draftees are going to be 😁[/quote]

Look, I am not saying anything but I heard Chase Young was ticked because Shaka Toney might take his spot [COLOR="White"]as Jeopardy Host[/COLOR]

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283546]Does anyone see any of our veterans boycotting voluntary workouts as the NFLPA wants? Honestly I cannot think of a guy on the roster who would, Rons competitive culture is taking hold and the types of guys we have want to work to get better, any thoughts[/quote]


With the limbo that Juwan James finds himself, getting hurt while working out off site, probably costing him his $10 million dollar salary next year ... I would suspect that all franchises see an uptick in veterans working out on site. No matter what their union says they should do.

But I also think that the culture Ron is establishing will lead to more of this than less. Chase Young took first round pick Jamin Davis to dinner soon after he was drafted. Building team chemistry will go a long way to building the team we want. That kind of thing is impossible to quantify, but undeniably valuable to the most successful teams.

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ASHBURN, Va. -- The Washington Football Team hosted former Bears veteran left tackle Charles Leno Jr. on Monday.

READ MORE: Former Bears Tackle Leno Coming to Visit

That interest did not immediately mean a contract for Leno, who started every game over the last five years for Chicago on the blind side of the offensive line.

But if Leno does decide to join Washington, he would likely be replacing veteran incumbent Cornelius Lucas, who was his former teammate with the Bears until Lucas joined Washington last offseason.

In Chicago, Lucas was the backup/swing tackle and arrived in Washington with very little playing experience on the left side. He was pressed into that role because Geron Christian struggled and then was injured.

Leno is viewed by most as the automatic starter on the left side (if he signs) and that perception didn't sit kindly with Lucas on Twitter.

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Leno is the 3rd best FA available per PFF .. I honestly never heard of the guy. Surprised to read hes started at LT for da bears for past 5 years.

Leno (29 yrs old) had a 74.6 pff grade last year (58.6 pff for 2019), Lucas had a 78.2 in a smaller but still decent enough sample size.

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-lineman-cornelius-lucas-fires-back-at-media-clowns[/url]

I was somewhat confused by the Sharpe resigning bc I thought he looked awful when given the chance last year.

Carry 9 OL

Leno, Cosmi, Sharpe
Flowers, Schweitzer, Charles
Roullier, ismael
Scherff, Schweitzer, Martin
Moses, Lucas

^^ Thats 12 right there for 9 spots on the 53.

Seems we have a self-inflicted roster issue. We signed serviceable but JAG vets like Lucas, Schweitzer, Flowers .. but also drafted depth project guys in Martin, Charles

I guess you let guys battle it out but Id guess we end up cutting Sharpe, martin and Lucas ... but I like that Lucas can swing and Leno is just a LT

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FWIW Leno went to the pro bowl a couple of years ago. Martin looks like he is toast but may have PS eligibility, same for Sharpe if Leno is signed. Are last years 55 man roster limits still in effect or are we back down to 53 this year?

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I keep hearing [B]Leno[/B], and all think is that this is the player. LOL

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I've heard of Leno, he was one of the better tackles in the league a few years ago, had a rough 2020.

Bears drafted Teven Jenkins...who I would have loved to get here, so he became expendable. He's durable, only missed 3 games in the last 5 years. We need that.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1283587]
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Seems we have a self-inflicted roster issue. We signed serviceable but JAG vets like Lucas, Schweitzer, Flowers .. but also drafted depth project guys in Martin, Charles



...[/QUOTE]

Having solid depth on the OL and DL is going to be critical in these longer seasons. The better you can rotate the DL, and the deeper your OL is will be huge in weeks 16-18 and, if we make it, the playoffs.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283592]I've heard of Leno, he was one of the better tackles in the league a few years ago, had a rough 2020.

Bears drafted Teven Jenkins...who I would have loved to get here, so he became expendable. He's durable, only missed 3 games in the last 5 years. We need that.[/quote]

Lucas exceeded everyone's expectations last year, and we drafted Cosmi so I don't see the significant need in signing Leno. If we sign him then great, if not it's no big deal.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1283590]FWIW Leno went to the pro bowl a couple of years ago. Martin looks like he is toast but may have PS eligibility, same for Sharpe if Leno is signed. Are last years 55 man roster limits still in effect or are we back down to 53 this year?[/QUOTE]Here is a good explanation of the new cba and game day / practice squad rosters.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2020/5/3/21245216/explaining-the-roster-sizes-and-practice-squad-rules-under-the-new-cba[/url]

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Highlight reel for Curl, so fun to watch his read and react ability, and how our front four just manhandled so many lines. I can really see a fast athletic LB doing a lot of damage behind them. [emoji95][emoji95][emoji95]
[url]https://youtu.be/BQeJbOp5Y10[/url]


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283597]Here is a good explanation of the new cba and game day / practice squad rosters.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2020/5/3/21245216/explaining-the-roster-sizes-and-practice-squad-rules-under-the-new-cba[/url]

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Thanks

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283600]Highlight reel for Curl, so fun to watch his read and react ability, and how our front four just manhandled so many lines. I can really see a fast athletic LB doing a lot of damage behind them. [emoji95][emoji95][emoji95]
[url]https://youtu.be/BQeJbOp5Y10[/url]


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Daniel Jones must have nightmares about Curl.