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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1354406]While Hill is elite receiver, the reason Tau looks great is Miami is second in the league in rushing per game. San Fran is like third. Last year Eagles were number 1 and Baltimore is historically in the top 5.

Competent QB passers who are athletic look elite when you compliment them with a strong running game.[/QUOTE]


No doubt, and we haven’t had an elite rushing attack in years


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1326152]I like Howell he was good in college. Was projected as a first round pick before last season. He has talent and a rocket arm. It’s literally stupid not to play him , they act like TH is going to be a savior for us. Lmao he’s not very good and after we lose to GB because he will not make the throws then hopefully Sam plays week 8


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Howell is a first round talent....I expected him to play as good as he's playing.....Rivera should have played him last year.

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You had a good run in the NFL Sam! Good luck in arena football next year.
It’s a shame we don’t get to see you break the INT, Pick 6, and total Sacks records.

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After 14 weeks of work , Howell was benched today for Brisett who came in and had 2 TDS right away.

Terrys best game also.

It definitely looks like Howell is at best a QB2. He makes way too many mistakes , yes he’s young and has some good potential but the last 4 games have been very telling.

I’ve compared him to Baker often and I think that’s his ceiling.

For me I’m drafting Drake Maye , Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels


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Ron who has made one bad decision after another has said that Sam is still the starter ..good we need to keep losing .. 😀

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Sam has not looked good the last couple of games, but this team is so bad I can’t judge him for that. At this point, he’s probably shell shocked and worn out by this sorry, pathetic team and coaching.

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Last 4 games

2TD
6 INTS

56 % Completion percentage

All Losses


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354507]Last 4 games

2TD
6 INTS

56 % Completion percentage

All Losses


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Ugh not good. Starting to think Washington really may take a new qb with that high 1st rounder. Will be an interesting and eventful offseason.

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1354513]Ugh not good. Starting to think Washington really may take a new qb with that high 1st rounder. Will be an interesting and eventful offseason.[/QUOTE]


I kinda lean that way now. I just don’t know if Sam has a high ceiling… he sure doesn’t show it right now.


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That int pushed me off the Sam bandwagon. He had AG as his outlet alone on the sideline for positive yards and instead directed 17 into coverage. Really boneheaded decision.

This doesn’t mean we’ll necessarily have a better option available to us by draft or FA, but it does put the position in play (for me).


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[QUOTE=HTTR;1354517]That int pushed me off the Sam bandwagon. He had AG as his outlet alone on the sideline for positive yards and instead directed 17 into coverage. Really boneheaded decision.

This doesn’t mean we’ll necessarily have a better option available to us by draft or FA, but it does put the position in play (for me).


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Yeah and JB came in and had 2 TDS right away. Maybe Howell was only as good as EB could get him to be…


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Does everyone remember how the Eagles played in Dallas last week? What about how Dallas played in Buffalo this week? Things change in a split second and consider the fact that Brissett has not had his brains beaten out by the defenses. Additionally, Sam is essentially a rookie. exhibit 1: Peyton Manning’s 1st few seasons.

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Honestly, this discussion would not be happening if Sam was a 1st round draft pick in my opinion.

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I’m not bashing Sam, and I do believe that talented players can be developed over a few seasons. I’m just no longer sure we’ve found our long term solution at QB


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[QUOTE=HTTR;1354521]I’m not bashing Sam, and I do believe that talented players can be developed over a few seasons. I’m just no longer sure we’ve found our long term solution at QB


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That’s where I’m at. Before this game I was even saying let’s build around Sam still but today he was Bad… other than one or 2 throws he really struggled


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Benching was deserved. Sam wasn't really doing much and threw a terrible pick that sealed his fate today.

I really don't care to who starts the rest of the year. This team is just so bad but I would lean towards giving Jacoby a shot. Sam just hasn't looked all that good the last several weeks. It looks like a combination of him, EB and the line. All of them just not good enough.

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Also- something I noticed, the ball seemed to be coming out a bit faster once Jacoby got in there.

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Sam will be on a short lease .. if he struggles I could see him being replaced by half
Time .. As far as I'm concerned everything is on the table come draft time .. I just hope the new GM doesn't screw this up .. we got one shot at this QB thing ..

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For me too many people are ready to write Howell off already. He's demonstrated a lot this season behind a horrible OL and some beyond questionable play calling. And the D has meant more often than not we're chasing the game and he's trying to create something out of nothing. I'm not saying he is the future, but given the circumstances its too soon to give up.

Quite frankly looking at the other rookie starters out there, he's played much better than some and on a par with most. I don't think any of those teams are going to be cutting their year 1 QB's any time soon.

Right now I think there's a perfect storm of circumstances; lousy coaching staff, poor player morale (they look like they've given up) and he's been beaten up all year. He's running out of steam. You can see the exasperation in his face when it goes wrong.

If a new staff comes in and drafts a 'top talent' so be it, but I think it would be a mistake to give up on him so soon especially given all the holes in this roster.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1354541]If a new staff comes in and drafts a 'top talent' so be it, but I think it would be a mistake to give up on him so soon especially given all the holes in this roster.[/QUOTE]

Does drafting a QB in April mean that the new regime would be giving up on Howell?


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[quote=HTTR;1354547]Does drafting a QB in April mean that the new regime would be giving up on Howell?


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why give him up on him he was a 5th round pic still on a rookie contract

let him challenge the draft pic at worst he is a backup at best for Sam he beats out the draft pic or even maybe trade him

we don't have to do anything with Sam he is ours for the foreseeable future

i don't know why a select few of you are so enamored with Sam; if say C. Williams comes here and lights the place on fire, are you still going be sad Sam isn't starting

I said it before but i swear some of you are Sam's dad

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[quote=HTTR;1354521]I’m not bashing Sam, and I do believe that talented players can be developed over a few seasons. I’m just no longer sure we’ve found our long term solution at QB


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Agree, there isn’t a reason not draft a QB nor is there reason not to develop Sam.

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[quote=Chico23231;1354549]Agree, there isn’t a reason not draft a QB nor is there reason not to develop Sam.[/quote]

100


So do both until you hit the QB lottery

The SH first season is in the books for the most part, I say we got enough there to work with but not enough to say we are set at QB1

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Once again, I'm going to pin a big part of the QB problem on the coaches, especially RR who couldn't even purchase a clue on how to handle an NFL team. I ask you this: Why even bring in a solid backup QB (Brissett) if you're not going to use him to help you win? I'm talking about the old-time role of an experienced backup as a mentor AND a "relief pitcher" for a developing young QB.

You start the young QB each game and if he falters, then you bring in the old pro with enough time left to salvage the win. Then next week, you start the developing young QB again. Two things at once. Just make sure that both QB's understand that's the way it's going to be from the beginning.

As for drafting a QB, I say just follow your draft board and any time you see a promising young QB whether it is in a mid or late round, draft him. Drafting RGIII and Kirk in the same year worked out fine.

I wouldn't mind if the team drafted two QB's every year if they are not yet sure they have already found their franchise QB. I'd say that's where we are right now. So, when it's time for the Commanders to pick in the first round of the 2024 draft if their draft board says the best available player is a QB, then they should pick him. QB is by far the most important position in football.

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[B]I said it before but i swear some of you are Sam's dad[/B][/quote]

jamf is Sam's estranged father.

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Until Thanksgiving Sam had faced a relative easy schedule in terms of defenses. Since the Cowboys game it has gotten harder. More film on him and facing better defenses was a big test. A big knock I keep hearing from the other teams every week is he has difficulty reading defenses in particular blitzes before the snap and gets confused by zone coverages. I am not saying either way what that means could be a young QB that needs to develop, could mean he is at his ceiling and needs a more hands on OC to be successful, could mean this is who is is.

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Difficult to measure Howell when almost everything is terrible. Look at Tua and Lawrence, both didn't look good in their first year with bad head coach and offense coordinator. Both looked much better with new offense system.

I didn't watch the game enough to judge Howell's performance so I cannot say much about yesterday, nonetheless, I'm still in the Howell bandwagon. But I wouldn't be upset if the new GM/coach draft a new QB.

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I'm not giving up on Sam, but they have to seriously consider a QB in the draft with a top 5 pick, they just have to.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1354555]I'm not giving up on Sam, but they have to seriously consider a QB in the draft with a top 5 pick, they just have to.[/QUOTE]


As of today

Bears (panthers)
Pats
Cards
Comms
Bears

That’s the top 5.

If we beat the jets next week then we will drop to 6 or 7.

The Pats will 100% take a QB unless they can get Kirk cousins or something.

Bears are a ?

Cards won’t take a QB.

So we will have Maye or Williams at 4 for sure and that’s not to say we don’t trade up to number 2 with NE.


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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1354553]Until Thanksgiving Sam had faced a relative easy schedule in terms of defenses. Since the Cowboys game it has gotten harder. More film on him and facing better defenses was a big test. A big knock I keep hearing from the other teams every week is he has difficulty reading defenses in particular blitzes before the snap and gets confused by zone coverages. I am not saying either way what that means could be a young QB that needs to develop, could mean he is at his ceiling and needs a more hands on OC to be successful, could mean this is who is is.[/quote]

This was also in some scouting profiles along with having trouble seeing downfield. Dude took a lot of sacks at UNC as well.
He has 1st round ability with a 7th round brain.

I don’t get why we want to develop a guy whose ceiling is Rex Grossman.
You develop a guy like Josh Allen with a high ceiling that can take over games.

If I’m Sam Howell, first thing I do is start an only fans for you jock sniffers then use that money to pay Drew Brees to coach him up on how to read defenses and find passing lanes while in the pocket. Brees was a master at that and that’s been Sams downfall.

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At the end of the day, if they can upgrade the position, I’m happy


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[quote=jamf;1354559]This was also in some scouting profiles along with having trouble seeing downfield. Dude took a lot of sacks at UNC as well.
He has 1st round ability with a 7th round brain.

I don’t get why we want to develop a guy whose ceiling is Rex Grossman.
You develop a guy like Josh Allen with a high ceiling that can take over games.

If I’m Sam Howell, first thing I do is start an only fans for you jock sniffers then use that money to pay Drew Brees to coach him up on how to read defenses and find passing lanes while in the pocket. Brees was a master at that and that’s been Sams downfall.[/quote]

You could have said all those same things about Drew Brees. He got off to a rough start and was benched. You could have said his ceiling wasn't very high either.

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The amount of people on Reddit saying to get rid of Sam (not even realizing he’s still on a rookie deal) is crazy. To me he’s shaping up to be another Heinicke, he’ll win you games but he’ll never get you to the promised land. Granted that could change with the next coaching regime because I don’t think we’ve hit Sam’s ceiling yet and he can be developed more but letting the dude go is wild to me.


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[quote=MTK;1354555]I'm not giving up on Sam, but they have to seriously consider a QB in the draft with a top 5 pick, they just have to.[/quote]

how about a draft similar to this:

4. Olumuyiwa Fashanu - OT Penn State
38. Bo Nix - QB Oregon
41. Graham Barton - OG Duke
68. Sedrick Van Pran - OC Georgia
96. Tommy Eichenberg - LB Ohio State
100. Darius Robinson - EDGE Missouri
125. Brevyn Spann-Ford - TE Minnesota
132. Junior Colson - LB Michigan
142. Jaylin Noel - WR Iowa State
191. Jo'Quavious Marks - RB Mississippi State

Still got the best OT, best Center and second best guard (imo) in the draft . . . plus added Bo Nix to compete with Howell.

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What bothered me yesterday was that when Brisset came in there the ball was coming out fast. He wasn't dicking around back there. End of his drop he was cutting it loose. I liked what I saw there.

Why wasn't Sam doing that?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1354565]how about a draft similar to this:

4. Olumuyiwa Fashanu - OT Penn State
38. Bo Nix - QB Oregon
41. Graham Barton - OG Duke
68. Sedrick Van Pran - OC Georgia
96. Tommy Eichenberg - LB Ohio State
100. Darius Robinson - EDGE Missouri
125. Brevyn Spann-Ford - TE Minnesota
132. Junior Colson - LB Michigan
142. Jaylin Noel - WR Iowa State
191. Jo'Quavious Marks - RB Mississippi State

Still got the best OT, best Center and second best guard (imo) in the draft . . . plus added Bo Nix to compete with Howell.[/quote]

Bo Nix IMO is not worthy of a 2nd round pick. He is a 5th or 6th round project.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1354567]What bothered me yesterday was that when Brisset came in there the ball was coming out fast. He wasn't dicking around back there. End of his drop he was cutting it loose. I liked what I saw there.

Why wasn't Sam doing that?[/QUOTE]


Part of it is I don’t think he’s fully developed so he’s not processing fast enough. The other part is I think he’s so shell shocked from the pocket collapsing and getting nailed that he panics and can’t get through his progressions correctly.


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JB is an 8 year vet with 48 starts under his belt, naturally he's going to look the part vs Sam who's on start #15.

Plus it's worth noting that Sam may never be great at dropping back and operating from the pocket efficiently on a consistent basis. He's good off schedule, but still has a ways to go from the pocket.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354556]As of today

Bears (panthers)
Pats
Cards
Comms
Bears

That’s the top 5.

If we beat the jets next week then we will drop to 6 or 7.

The Pats will 100% take a QB unless they can get Kirk cousins or something.

Bears are a ?

Cards won’t take a QB.

So we will have Maye or Williams at 4 for sure and that’s not to say we don’t trade up to number 2 with NE.


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If the bears dont take Williams someone will trade up for him

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1354565]how about a draft similar to this:

4. Olumuyiwa Fashanu - OT Penn State
38. Bo Nix - QB Oregon
41. Graham Barton - OG Duke
68. Sedrick Van Pran - OC Georgia
96. Tommy Eichenberg - LB Ohio State
100. Darius Robinson - EDGE Missouri
125. Brevyn Spann-Ford - TE Minnesota
132. Junior Colson - LB Michigan
142. Jaylin Noel - WR Iowa State
191. Jo'Quavious Marks - RB Mississippi State

Still got the best OT, best Center and second best guard (imo) in the draft . . . plus added Bo Nix to compete with Howell.[/quote]


Id hate that