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People...the Giants are a better football team than we are. They are better where it counts most. In the trenches!

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[quote=hesscl34;472527]Are you serious?? I mean really?? Stand JC up next to any other NFL
QB out there right now and tell me how much better he is DURING GAME TIME, and screw the f*cking numbers. That first throw Portis was hanging there middle field wide open and he never even looked, not once did he turn his head.. he was just lookin for Moss.. never even turned left.. and I saw it all night long. Last drive Randal El was WIDE open and he chose to throw deep to moss and Randal El had a straight shot into th endzone. He didn't even look. If I were Zorn I'd be beating my head against a wall trying to figure out how the hell to bench his ass and now get fired.. what a f*cking mess!

OK.. now I'm going to bed.. God Help the Skins![/quote]

I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

I just think the most frustrating thing wasn't Jason's play or the Defense or anything like that. It was those routes that were obviously short of the first down!

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[quote=Bushead;472536]I just think the most frustrating thing wasn't Jason's play or the Defense or anything like that. It was those routes that were obviously short of the first down![/quote]

Right... well throw the damn ball where it is supposed to be and not always look for the check down, and maybe we wouldn't miss those first downs..

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[quote=Ruhskins;472535]I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.[/quote]

QBs set the tone, they run the offense.. he does NOT do that AT ALL. He sits and wonders and looks.. and then he throws.. You need a QB to lead and make plays and BE YOUR MAN. He's a sorry damn excuse for a QB.. ....

I'm obvioulsy not happy.. actually I'm PISSED. BENCH HIS ASS!

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

C'mon fellas, nobody can be irked about this game. We overachieved and kept the margin within ten in a game that should have been much closer to my prediction of 42-6. Simply put, we are team w/o a NFL caliber offense, which by necessity means our defense should get worn in most games and allow the opponent to run up the score in the 2nd half. That did not happen and so I don't see how any fan can honestly complain. WE KEPT THE SCOREBOARD RESPECTABLE!!!

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[quote=hesscl34;472544]Right... well throw the damn ball where it is supposed to be and not always look for the check down, and maybe we wouldn't miss those first downs..[/quote]

what......you guys are extreme he can throw that doesn't mean that the receivers is open.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472532]People...the Giants are a better football team than we are. They are better where it counts most. In the trenches![/quote]

And at the QB position, at WR, at head coach and at the secondary. They're NFL champs, and we're spinning our wheels - again.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[quote=Ruhskins;472535]I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.[/quote]

Honestly the people that just blame JC don't know shit about football and it's typical knee jerk reaction. JC does deserve some blame cause he just doesn't seem to come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr yet. He doesn't seem to have good field vision yet. But he is going to need more time in this offense and everyone needs to be patient. He certainly doesn't have anyone like Plax. Burress to throw to. We have below average wr's and an average line. Plus why all the dink and dunk passes? WTF was that all about? Looked like the 06 offense to me.

As far as the defense, they stunk and Taylor either should not have been in there or he's simply not ready to play NFC East football. Both he and Carter were terrible tonight. And we really miss the presence of #21 and that position needs to be addressed next year. But regardless of how bad the defense played we only gave up 16 points on the road. This one is on the offense. Should have kept Al around for one more year!!

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[quote=Twilbert07;472560]And at the QB position, at WR, at head coach and at the secondary. They're NFL champs, and we're spinning our wheels - again.[/quote]

I agree totally; however, I would argue the Giants are not a good football team this year. We made them look pretty efficient but @ week 16 I will be very surprised if NY has a winning record. Sure they will have a better record than Zorn and Co. but that simply means they are less shitty.

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[quote=The Goat;472565]I agree totally; however, I would argue the Giants are not a good football team this year. We made them look pretty efficient but @ week 16 I will be very surprised if NY has a winning record. Sure they will have a better record than Zorn and Co. but that simply means they are less shitty.[/quote]

I agree that the Giants won't tear it up. If they were a great football team, they would have beat us by 30 points or more, given the way we played. Our offense was pitiful.

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[quote=hesscl34;472549]QBs set the tone, they run the offense.. he does NOT do that AT ALL. He sits and wonders and looks.. and then he throws.. You need a QB to lead and make plays and BE YOUR MAN. He's a sorry damn excuse for a QB.. ....

I'm obvioulsy not happy.. actually I'm PISSED. BENCH HIS ASS![/quote]

Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that some of the time wr's were not open. Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472578]Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that[B] some of the time wr's were not open.[/B] Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.[/quote]

You mean never, right?

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[quote=Twilbert07;472560]And at the QB position, at WR, at head coach and at the secondary. They're NFL champs, and we're spinning our wheels - again.[/quote]

Well when you have turnover like we do then sometimes it's going to show on the field. Right? Eli has been in one offense his whole career. He also has a stud in Plx. Burress and we just don't have that type of physical presence on the field. He made Eli look good on a couple throws. And while Eli is a better QB than JC he sure threw some terrible passes too.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472583]You mean never, right?[/quote]

Pretty much.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472578]Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that some of the time wr's were not open. Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.[/quote]

Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do!

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[quote=hesscl34;472602]Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do![/quote]

Give JC a break, how many OC's has he had in the last 7 years? Would you rather start slow ass Collins (who would have been killed) or green as an apple Colt. Be realistic, JC is our one and only choice for this season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472608]Give JC a break, how many OC's has he had in the last 7 years? Would you rather start slow ass Collins (who would have been killed) or green as an apple Colt. Be realistic, JC is our one and only choice for this season.[/quote]

Yes, I'd rather start Collins..

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[quote=hesscl34;472614]Yes, I'd rather start Collins..[/quote]

If this kind of performance continues, so would I. Collins may be molasses but he has an accurate arm and good vision. Too bad it turns noodle when he has to throw a bomb but in a WCO system, you don't have to worry about that too much.

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[quote=hesscl34;472614]Yes, I'd rather start Collins..[/quote]

He looked lost and slow during the pre-season. He'd probably be more lost than Campbell grasping the Paul Brown offense (I hate the term WCO)

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[B]Quote:[/B]
[B]Originally Posted by wilsowilso [/B]
[B]Jason Campbell is a bad. I always thought he was going to be good? That player is stupid. [/B]

[B]Are you drunk? The first two sentences don't make any sense (the second doesn't need a ?)[/B]

Friends don't let friends type drunk....someone take the keys away. lol.

I'm not sure if I should be un-happy or happy? I mean....piss pour planning = piss pour performance. Sacks, Short passes on 3rd and long, dropped balls, CB's not trying to force an incompletion, no one big enough to ring Jacobs bell, bad play calls, bad clock management throughout the game except the last 2min of 1st half,.......

or...happy that a 1st yr coach playing a SB team only had 16 points scored on their turf with crowd noise. As bad as we looked it was not a blow out. Either the Giants pulled punches or we are not as bad as we look to be. or the Giants are not as good as they used to be even though they did not look to bad. I wonder how well we will play them at the end of the yr.

I honestly don't think the Saints are better or even as good as the Giants. I won't go so far and say it will be easy but I think the Giants D is better.

How many of you about shit yourself when they announced Torrence was filling in. LOL. When I heard that I wrote the game off. lol. Oh well.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[quote=hesscl34;472602]Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do![/quote]

I'm not saying he's our guy and he needs to play better. But time after time after time you're just killing the guy when there are other people to blame. That shows me it's personal with you. He didn't play poorly last year or the year before. He's been about average. What were you expecting with a new coach, another new offense, a bad pass blocking line and wr's that are not all that good? Do you think he's good enough to carry us through all that against the Giants defense which shut down NE? Keep it real would you! As far as scoring points is concerned, our offense isn't that good, and it hasn't been the past several years.

In one of your other posts you're calling out Carlos R. but you have to realize that he's coming off a very serious injury and he really shouldn't even be out there. His type of injury takes 12 months to recover from and he's covering Plax. Buress one on one????? Sorry but you just can't ask him to do that. Springs should've been covering him but he couldn't play cause his calf hurt.

I don't have a problem with you calling people out. Just make sure you call out the right guys and have a reason behind it.

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On a side note.....Gibbs lost his first 5 as a rookie coach before winning games. I'm sure people were not happy and probably wanted him fired but look what he did for us when he started winning. We really do need to give Zorn a chance. I still don't know why we didn't try to find a way to keep McMullen...he seemed to be forming a bond with Campbell. Why did it seem to take all the way up till the 4th quarter to get Cooley the ball? What happened to the 2 TE sets....did I fall asleep? I don't recall the ball ever being handed off to Sellers either. Screen pass set up sucked. Slants were working.

Oh well. maybe next time on our turf. Until then we need to find a way to win or we will be left behind in this division.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472619]He looked lost and slow during the pre-season. He'd probably be more lost than Campbell grasping the Paul Brown offense (I hate the term WCO)[/quote]

If we're in week 10 and we're sitting at 3-7 I would like to see Colt in there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472635]If we're in week 10 and we're sitting at 3-7 I would like to see Colt in there.[/quote]

Well looking at the schedule, based upon tonight's performance, which games do you think we'll win and lose throughout the season?

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[quote=skinsfan69;472629]I'm not saying he's our guy and he needs to play better. But time after time after time you're just killing the guy when there are other people to blame. That shows me it's personal with you. He didn't play poorly last year or the year before. He's been about average. What were you expecting with a new coach, another new offense, a bad pass blocking line and wr's that are not all that good? Do you think he's good enough to carry us through all that against the Giants defense which shut down NE? Keep it real would you! As far as scoring points is concerned, our offense isn't that good, and it hasn't been the past several years.

In one of your other posts you're calling out Carlos R. but you have to realize that he's coming off a very serious injury and he really shouldn't even be out there. His type of injury takes 12 months to recover from and he's covering Plax. Buress one on one????? Sorry but you just can't ask him to do that. Springs should've been covering him but he couldn't play cause his calf hurt.

I don't have a problem with you calling people out. Just make sure you call out the right guys and have a reason behind it.[/quote]Great post.

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[quote=hesscl34;472504]JC and Carlos Rogers need to get on the same f@cking bus out of town! I swear if I keep hearing all the JC and Rogers excuses I might just JUMP OFF A FUCKIN BRIDGE!

Second - our O line and D line need to improve, and I think it was a BAD idea to have Taylor out there not 100%

Third – Coach your team, Zorn. Don’t run the damn ball over and over when it doesn’t work, even if Portis tells you to!!!

Landry - THANK YOU for trying to save the game and make plays.

Cooley - sorry dude.. drop your love for JC.. he's a mess.

Moss - nice try, catch the ball EVERY TIME, even if it's not a good throw.

.. We suck.. and I'm going to bed... wake me when Collins is QB again.[/quote]How did you watch the game and not think Carlos Rogers was our best player on either side of the ball.

Like Skinsfan69 said, it's always personal with you. I think Carlos Rogers could win the Comeback Player of the year award, and you would be harping on stuff he did wrong in 2006.

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[quote=GTripp0012;472642]How did you watch the game and not think Carlos Rogers was our best player on either side of the ball.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Brooks was obviously the best player. He was on the field just about as much as the defense was. :rofl:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472637]Well looking at the schedule, based upon tonight's performance, which games do you think we'll win and lose throughout the season?[/quote]

We look like a 4-6 win team and that's why I was so against the Jason Taylor trade. That draft pick is probably going to end up being a high 2nd rounder.

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I wonder if the O-line understimated the Giants D-line without Osi.

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Things will change when Thomas and Kelly grasp the offense (even if it's 60%) and Fred Davis is thrown in the mix. That's 3 weapons we will gain that didn't play tonight, it might make a difference.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472646]Things will change when Thomas and Kelly grasp the offense (even if it's 60%) and Fred Davis is thrown in the mix. That's 3 weapons we will gain that didn't play tonight, it might make a difference.[/quote]

Thomas was out there. Albeit, not very much.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472648]Thomas was out there. Albeit, not very much.[/quote]

I know, but he's just like in his 3rd pre-season game experience wise and Kelly hasn't hit camp yet.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472646]Things will change when Thomas and Kelly grasp the offense (even if it's 60%) and Fred Davis is thrown in the mix. That's 3 weapons we will gain that didn't play tonight, it might make a difference.[/quote]

When they grasp the offense that still might not mean things will change. We're talking about 3 unproven rookies. But we do need a physical presence out there and I'm hoping Kelly can provide that for us. Moss and ARE simply don't cut it. Moss is looking more like a #3 and ARE is looking like a #4.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472657]When they grasp the offense that still might not mean things will change. We're talking about 3 unproven rookies. But we do need a physical presence out there and I'm hoping Kelly can provide that for us. Moss and ARE simply don't cut it. Moss is looking more like a #3 and ARE is looking like a #4.[/quote]

And the #4 had more yards thane the #3...althought the #3 did score a TD.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472643]Are you kidding? Brooks was obviously the best player. He was on the field just about as much as the defense was. :rofl:[/quote]

I laughed at this the first time I read it, but now I am not so sure it's actually untrue. We had a lot of players that looked lost, or didn't perform to standards. Brooks was fairly consistant, and not bad overall.

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[quote=hesscl34;472544]Right... well throw the damn ball where it is supposed to be and not always look for the check down, and maybe we wouldn't miss those first downs..[/quote]

For as much as I do not agree with a lot of your comments (I think you're being too hard on some people even though I haven't said anything), I do agree with the above comment. People are too quick to say that the WR's aren't getting open, but last year Collins proved they ARE getting open, Campbell isn't seeing it. Campbell is looking like Brunell...too afraid to make a mistake. That being said, I am confident that Zorn will break him of that. He just needs time.

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[quote=GMScud;471752]If we're gonna run Portis on 3rd and 1 you gotta run him left.[/quote]

yeah i dont understand why we keep running to the right side on important yardage plays.

(this is where someone pulls up a stat showing we ran to samuels side twice as much as heyer's lol)

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[quote=htownskinfan;472489]why? i havent joined the colt bandwagon like some other people,but if zorn would have stuck him in at some point in the second half I wouldnt have been unhappy with the descision,unlike every other frickin one he made tonite[/quote]

I would have been [b]very unhappy[/b] if Zorn put in Brennan. A lot of you know how happy I am that we picked Colt, but if Zorn put him in the game week 1, then that would show 0% confidence in Campbell. That would be a moronic move, and if he did that, I'd be ready to fire Zorn. Did campbell play well? Absolutely not! But you let Zorn review the tapes and work with Campbell, you don't pull the rug out week 1. If we're 2-11 and it's mainly campbell's fault...sure, I can see the move, but this is Campbell's team, and you let him work through it. Campbell played MUCH better in the 2nd half, hopefully he will build on it.

I am a little concerned at how quick everyone is ready to hit the panic button. It's not even "hitting" the panic button, it's jumping on it over and over and over. Relax guys, we can do this (lose) about 6 more times and we can still make the playoffs.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08
 

[quote=skinsfan69;472629]I'm not saying he's our guy and he needs to play better. But time after time after time you're just killing the guy when there are other people to blame. That shows me it's personal with you. He didn't play poorly last year or the year before. He's been about average. What were you expecting with a new coach, another new offense, a bad pass blocking line and wr's that are not all that good? Do you think he's good enough to carry us through all that against the Giants defense which shut down NE? Keep it real would you! As far as scoring points is concerned, our offense isn't that good, and it hasn't been the past several years.

In one of your other posts you're calling out Carlos R. but you have to realize that he's coming off a very serious injury and he really shouldn't even be out there. His type of injury takes 12 months to recover from and he's covering Plax. Buress one on one????? Sorry but you just can't ask him to do that. Springs should've been covering him but he couldn't play cause his calf hurt.

I don't have a problem with you calling people out. Just make sure you call out the right guys and have a reason behind it.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don't have reason? ..... what a joke. For the last time, it is NOT personal. I’m not even sure how you can call getting upset about a NFL player “personal”. I don’t know him, he’s not my neighbor, and I’m not banging him. I only see him out there with my Skins every week and that is enough to make me not want him around. It is about winning and JC cannot get it done. He is mediocre AT BEST. He's had enough time.. more than enough IMO. As for Rogers, he's been playing the same way since he came here and has never improved, regardless of his knee. You think teams constantly throw his way because he's good?[/FONT][/COLOR]
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