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[quote=DynamiteRave;678606]TTE has been eerily quiet lately. I want some more, "We don't need no stinkin government" posts!

I really could give a shitless about this reform and the people sending death threats to their representatives (both democrat and republican) they all really need to be put in a burlap bag, beaten and sent out to sea. Yeah, that's harsh but still, even if you think the reform is the end of freedom as we know it, do you really think its worth calling up your representative and telling them how you wish someone would blow up their office? Really?

But all I care about is that at 23 and currently uninsured, I get to hop back on my mom's insurance for another 3 years. :woot:[/quote]

The government is watching. Fishing and chasing women is a lot more fun than arguing about a bunch of commies in Washington. Work picked up too.

Government is the leading cause of unnatural human death throughout history. It's a shame that you have more sympathy for the rat bastards than the people they steal from.

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[quote=SBXVII;679609]What's funnier is they talk about soda in schools. I can't vouch for all schools but the high schools in Stafford VA do have soda machines that are turned off during the day time so kids don't have access to them. I know the Federal Gov. has commented in regards to this and I thought all schools in VA can't sell soda to kids during school hours. I don't have a problem with this.

What I find funny is take all the soda machines out of the school completely and you will see the kids bringing them with them. They already are bringing the Amp, and Monster drinks with them. I see kids packing soda cans in their lunches they bring. It may be cold but it beats water, milk and juice.

How about the Feds just make sure the law is not broken and stay out of my health care and religion? Oh religion. I can't wait till the Feds start takling that issue.[/quote]
They did take the soda machines out of schools , in LA . The result = kids selling soda's that they brought from home , and the schools couldn't fund all of the after school programs < paid for from money made off soda machines > . Coffee / caffiene will be next , so will flour products at some point in time .

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;679634]The government is watching. Fishing and chasing women is a lot more fun than arguing about a bunch of commies in Washington. Work picked up too.

Government is the leading cause of unnatural human death throughout history. It's a shame that you have more sympathy for the rat bastards than the people they steal from.[/quote]
Chasing women is fun ,if you can catch them . Never big on fishing , I can't sit still for too long .......... more fish for you and FD ! Glad to hear business has picked up , we could sure as hell see that become the norm.

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[quote=tryfuhl;679633]it was Tebow![/quote]with his eyes closed, behind the back.

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[quote=budw38;679649]Chasing women is fun ,if you can catch them . Never big on fishing , I can't sit still for too long .......... more fish for you and FD ! Glad to hear business has picked up , we could sure as hell see that become the norm.[/quote]

Thanks buddy. The more work the better.

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[quote=budw38;679649]Chasing women is fun ,if you can catch them . Never big on fishing , I can't sit still for too long .......... more fish for you and FD ! Glad to hear business has picked up , we could sure as hell see that become the norm.[/quote]

Funny someone brouht up fishing because now Obama wants to take that over too. I have a big FU to Obama on that. Its not enough they regulate the ocean now the federal goverment want to manage every river lake a stream. So when they decide that a fish is endangered they can say no more fishing and its done. States will loose their rights to regulate the waters up to three miles out as they do now. Which works just fine.

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[quote=firstdown;679821]Funny someone brouht up fishing because now Obama wants to take that over too. I have a big FU to Obama on that. Its not enough they regulate the ocean now the federal goverment want to manage every river lake a stream. So when they decide that a fish is endangered they can say no more fishing and its done. States will loose their rights to regulate the waters up to three miles out as they do now. Which works just fine.[/quote]

Yeah I know. They screwed up the Black Bass season too.

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[quote=firstdown;679821]Funny someone brouht up fishing because now Obama wants to take that over too. I have a big FU to Obama on that. Its not enough they regulate the ocean now the federal goverment want to manage every river lake a stream. So when they decide that a fish is endangered they can say no more fishing and its done. States will loose their rights to regulate the waters up to three miles out as they do now. Which works just fine.[/quote]

the hopeful pro side to that is that there will be an influx of fed money to help pay for regulations and sanctuaries. my state fishing license money once a year cant support all that is needed.

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[quote=over the mountain;679857]the hopeful pro side to that is that there will be an influx of fed money to help pay for regulations and sanctuaries. my state fishing license money once a year cant support all that is needed.[/quote]

Sr. there is plenty of money for regulations and sanctuaries it has nothing to do with that. Its a power move by the federal goverment to take the regulation away from the states so they can control it as they see fit. This will lead to more activist running to Washington to get every fish they can think of on the endangered list so no one can fish for them. That's why we cannot fish for stripers over the three mile line even though they are far from endangered. Same thing with the black bass.

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[quote=firstdown;679821]Funny someone brouht up fishing because now Obama wants to take that over too. I have a big FU to Obama on that. Its not enough they regulate the ocean now the federal goverment want to manage every river lake a stream. So when they decide that a fish is endangered they can say no more fishing and its done. States will loose their rights to regulate the waters up to three miles out as they do now. Which works just fine.[/quote]

You have to understand, when your goal is not to just take over America but the world it includes taking over the fishing industry. Then again, the new regulation proposals could just be geared towards [URL="http://www.examiner.com/x-37128-Charlotte-Fishing-Examiner%7Ey2010m3d9-ESPN-claims-Obama-is-about-to-ban-fishing"]commercial fishers[/URL].

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[quote=over the mountain;679857]the hopeful pro side to that is that there will be an influx of fed money to help pay for regulations and sanctuaries. my state fishing license money once a year cant support all that is needed.[/quote]

We all know how good the government is at protecting the fish in VA.

[url=http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Kepone]Encyclopedia Virginia: Kepone[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;679821]Funny someone brouht up fishing because now Obama wants to take that over too. I have a big FU to Obama on that. Its not enough they regulate the ocean now the federal goverment want to manage every river lake a stream. So when they decide that a fish is endangered they can say no more fishing and its done. States will loose their rights to regulate the waters up to three miles out as they do now. Which works just fine.[/quote]

Anyone get the feeling the Dems are out to just piss everyone off? Do they think all the votes are with the health and nature people?

I've figured out the whole health plan issue.... they wanted to visit the same strip clubs but wanted all the women to be clean prior to them visiting. some of the girls don't have health coverage. ;)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;679888]We all know how good the government is at protecting the fish in VA.

[URL="http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Kepone"]Encyclopedia Virginia: Kepone[/URL][/quote]

I can remember the Kepone scare back in the 70's like it was yesterday. My parents at the time lived on the Elizabeth River and as a kid all I did was crab and fish in the summer. Then came the Kepone scare and no one would touch the seafood. After a couple of years people figured out you had to eat like 20 fish or crabs a day for like 20 years to even have any risk at all from Kepone. I remember my parents having guess from out of town and we would eat crabs and the people would start asking about Kepone, We would say "oh, its ok to eat the crabs" as we would shake now and then. It became more of a joke as the years went on and it was actually good for the numbers of crabs and fish. In the 80's after they lifted most of the restrictions crabbing was great. We could catch a 5 to 6 dozen fat jimmy's in an hour or so. Compare that with today and it would take me a week to catch that many crabs. The state does a poor job now and it could only get worse if the feds gain control.

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First the health care industry. Now with the changes being made to federal student loans, lots more young Americans are going to be carrying financial debt with the US of A as the lender. Awesome decision given the crapper the banking industry is already in. And it further expands big government. Blech.

I'm all for education, but our banks are hurting too much right now for another multi-billion dollar blow.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/block/2010-03-30-yourmoney30_ST_N.htm]New rules streamline student loans, eliminate some pitfalls - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;680078]First the health care industry. Now with the changes being made to federal student loans, lots more young Americans are going to be carrying financial debt with the US of A as the lender. Awesome decision given the crapper the banking industry is already in. And it further expands big government. Blech.

I'm all for education, but our banks are hurting too much right now for another multi-billion dollar blow.

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/block/2010-03-30-yourmoney30_ST_N.htm"]New rules streamline student loans, eliminate some pitfalls - USATODAY.com[/URL][/quote]

You think Banks should be able to borrow money from the feds turn around and lend it to students for 2 percent profit? Interesting.

[quote]The change, included in the health care overhaul bill that cleared Congress last week, has caused considerable turmoil in the banking industry, which stands to lose billions of dollars in [B]federal subsidies[/B].[/quote] BTW, subsidies are a form of bail out aren't they? I thought conservatives were against bailouts.

If Banks can borrow money from the feds so should I and I did until Republicans decided their friends needed be tossed a few billion dollars for free. I applicate the fact that Uncle Sam lent me some money to go to school and I am forever thankful.

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[quote=GMScud;680078]First the health care industry. Now with the changes being made to federal student loans, lots more young Americans are going to be carrying financial debt with the US of A as the lender. Awesome decision given the crapper the banking industry is already in. And it further expands big government. Blech.

I'm all for education, but our banks are hurting too much right now for another multi-billion dollar blow.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/block/2010-03-30-yourmoney30_ST_N.htm]New rules streamline student loans, eliminate some pitfalls - USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]

You don't think it's a good thing that the banks, who have been and are still making money hand over fist, are essentially cut out as the middle man? This sounds like an all around win. If the bank lobbyists hate it, then it must be good. It appears to be a win for the students and a win for cutting the deficit in the long run. These loans were subsidized and 100% backed by the government anyway. Now the government can actually save a huge sum of money and charge reasonable rates.

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[quote=12thMan;680082]You don't think it's a good thing that the banks, who have been and are still making money hand over fist, are essentially cut out as the middle man? This sounds like an all around win. If the bank lobbyists hate it, then it must be good. It appears to be a win for the students and a win for cutting the deficit in he long run. These loans were subsidized and 100% backed by the government anyway. Now the government can actually save a huge sum of money and charge reasonable rates.[/quote]

It's a government takeover of, I have no idea of what seeing how they have always been involved, but if the government is involved it's a government takeover.

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I totally get what you and 12th are saying. I have NO issue whatsoever with the federal gov't lending money to students. In fact I think it's great. Just as far as the United States banking industry is concerned, I don't think we should kick it when it's already down.

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[quote=GMScud;680086]I totally get what you and 12th are saying. I have NO issue whatsoever with the federal gov't lending money to students. In fact I think it's great. Just as far as the United States banking industry is concerned, I don't think we should kick it when it's already down.[/quote]

I can live with that.

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The feds lending them money is fine and we did that through TARP. The feds lending them money to lend to students is not fine. It is total horse shit to give them money at fed rate and then having them lend it to just students at 2%.

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[quote=firstdown;680075]I can remember the Kepone scare back in the 70's like it was yesterday. My parents at the time lived on the Elizabeth River and as a kid all I did was crab and fish in the summer. Then came the Kepone scare and no one would touch the seafood. After a couple of years people figured out you had to eat like 20 fish or crabs a day for like 20 years to even have any risk at all from Kepone. I remember my parents having guess from out of town and we would eat crabs and the people would start asking about Kepone, We would say "oh, its ok to eat the crabs" as we would shake now and then. It became more of a joke as the years went on and it was actually good for the numbers of crabs and fish. In the 80's after they lifted most of the restrictions crabbing was great. We could catch a 5 to 6 dozen fat jimmy's in an hour or so. Compare that with today and it would take me a week to catch that many crabs. [B]The state does a poor job now and it could only get worse if the feds gain control[/B].[/quote]

FD i will defer to you on anything and everything fishing and water related but this post is what i was getting at.

i know around bmore we get algea blooms from the unnaturally high levels of nitrogen (?) that get dumped into the water from industrial plants. book july-august for another fish kill bloom in the inner harbor.

i know the strippers are harder and harder to find up where i am, with their seasonal runs now being effected by changing water tempetures.

i know oysters used to be plentiful in the bay but now they only survive on federally funded sanctuaries.

MD is also looking to use fed money to create soft shell crab sanctuaries.

it just seems MD has been a bunch of talk and no action until we got this influx of fed money the past year or so.

i think the state does a poor job now b/c states and cities (like maryland and baltimore) have very tight budgets. if baltimore is cutting police and firefighters, you best believe money for environmental efforts isnt going to be handed out.

states have too much on their plate and all they do is juggle a budget. i would like the fed gov't to step in and help the states with finances to achieve goals like cleaning up the bay.

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[quote=over the mountain;680365]FD i will defer to you on anything and everything fishing and water related but this post is what i was getting at.

i know around bmore we get algea blooms from the unnaturally high levels of nitrogen (?) that get dumped into the water from industrial plants. book july-august for another fish kill bloom in the inner harbor.

i know the strippers are harder and harder to find up where i am, with their seasonal runs now being effected by changing water tempetures.

i know oysters used to be plentiful in the bay but now they only survive on federally funded sanctuaries.

MD is also looking to use fed money to create soft shell crab sanctuaries.

it just seems MD has been a bunch of talk and no action until we got this influx of fed money the past year or so.

i think the state does a poor job now b/c states and cities (like maryland and baltimore) have very tight budgets. if baltimore is cutting police and firefighters, you best believe money for environmental efforts isnt going to be handed out.

[B]states have too much on their plate and all they do is juggle a budget. i would like the fed gov't to step in and help the states with finances to achieve goals like cleaning up the bay[/B].[/quote]

But they did such a good job protecting us from Allied Chemical and Dupont. Sure, let the Fed and State work out a good fat contract with some environmental group or chemical manufacturer. That's all that's important at the end of the day, the bottom line. Just ask Al Gore. He has your best interest at heart, second only to the planet's.

FD Kepone in the Bay might not be an issue. On the James it still is. It's in the river bottom. People still get sick. Anyone who eats fish out of the James is asking to be hospitalized. That's the government at work.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680374]But they did such a good job protecting us from Allied Chemical and Dupont. Sure, let the Fed and State work out a good fat contract with some environmental group or chemical manufacturer. That's all that's important at the end of the day, the bottom line. Just ask Al Gore. He has your best interest at heart, second only to the planet's.

FD Kepone in the Bay might not be an issue. On the James it still is. It's in the river bottom. People still get sick. Anyone who eats fish out of the James is asking to be hospitalized. That's the government at work.[/quote]

I fish and know plenty of people who fish in the James and I have never heard of anyone having an illness from Kepone. I had not even heard Kepone talked about in years until this thread. What was done environmentaly back in the 60's and 70's would land people in jail today so you really cannot compare the two.

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[quote=over the mountain;680365]FD i will defer to you on anything and everything fishing and water related but this post is what i was getting at.

i know around bmore we get algea blooms from the unnaturally high levels of nitrogen (?) that get dumped into the water from industrial plants. book july-august for another fish kill bloom in the inner harbor.

i know the strippers are harder and harder to find up where i am, with their seasonal runs now being effected by changing water tempetures.

i know oysters used to be plentiful in the bay but now they only survive on federally funded sanctuaries.

MD is also looking to use fed money to create soft shell crab sanctuaries.

it just seems MD has been a bunch of talk and no action until we got this influx of fed money the past year or so.

i think the state does a poor job now b/c states and cities (like maryland and baltimore) have very tight budgets. if baltimore is cutting police and firefighters, you best believe money for environmental efforts isnt going to be handed out.

states have too much on their plate and all they do is juggle a budget. i would like the fed gov't to step in and help the states with finances to achieve goals like cleaning up the bay.[/quote]

How the hell can the goverment create a soft shell sanctuaries?

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the same way the do with oyster beds. they declare an area as a sanctuary so that you cant fish/drag your rake down there.

to my understanding, the same muddy flats that oysters like, soft shell crabs also go to molt. they want to presevre these areas so that the soft shell crab and oysters dont get disturbed.

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[quote=firstdown;680392]I fish and know plenty of people who fish in the James and I have never heard of anyone having an illness from Kepone. I had not even heard Kepone talked about in years until this thread. What was done environmentaly back in the 60's and 70's would land people in jail today so you really cannot compare the two.[/quote]

I'm sure Mr.Haney would recommend eating fish out the James, as would Arnold the Pig. Many people have gotten ill from eating those fish. I know some of them.

Oh, but I can and I will compare the two. Did anyone go to jail over 9-11? No, case in point. Incompetence and corruption are prerequisites for government jobs.

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mmmmm soft shell crab

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[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304506904575180331528424238.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond]U.S. Faces Shortage of Doctors - WSJ.com[/url]

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BOCA RATON, Fla. — Republican backlash over President Barack Obama's health care overhaul had little effect in the nation's first U.S. House race of 2010.

Florida Democratic state Sen. Ted Deutch handily won Tuesday's special election to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler after his underdog GOP opponent attempted to make the contest a referendum on the massive health care bill.

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New Healthcare bill [URL="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64034"]restricts[/URL] further construction of privately-owned hospitals.

Yeah. Let's make sure there are [I]less[/I] hosiptals if we can. :doh:

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[quote=Beemnseven;687923]New Healthcare bill [URL="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64034"]restricts[/URL] further construction of privately-owned hospitals.

Yeah. Let's make sure there are [I]less[/I] hosiptals if we can. :doh:[/quote]

DAMN, we are destoying the country. Heading to communism, armaggeddon is coming.

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[quote=Beemnseven;687923]New Healthcare bill [URL="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64034"]restricts[/URL] further construction of privately-owned hospitals.

Yeah. Let's make sure there are [I]less[/I] hosiptals if we can. :doh:[/quote]

Wow. My favorite local hospital took over a golf course and was going to build a huge medical campus but have not broken ground yet. Maybe that's why.

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[quote=dmek25;687913]BOCA RATON, Fla. — Republican backlash over President Barack Obama's health care overhaul had little effect in the nation's first U.S. House race of 2010.

Florida Democratic state Sen. Ted Deutch handily won Tuesday's special election to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler after his underdog GOP opponent attempted to make the contest a referendum on the massive health care bill.[/quote]

Not exactly an indication. We don't know how bad the candidates were. Conservative voters aren't going to settle for just anybody, we'll demand quality candidates. We won't forget the lesson from McCain. Besides, remember Massachusetts? :D

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[quote=Buster;688037]Not exactly an indication. We don't know how bad the candidates were. Conservative voters aren't going to settle for just anybody, we'll demand quality candidates. We won't forget the lesson from McCain. Besides, remember Massachusetts? :D[/quote]

I did a quick google search to find any backing, but came up empty. I have to imagine, with a large block of retired people, and a large block of immigrants and unemployed, there is a disproportionately large block of voters in Fl who favor the healthcare act and would mitigate any backlash a lot more than other parts of the country. I could obviously be wrong.

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[quote=Buster;688037]Not exactly an indication. We don't know how bad the candidates were. Conservative voters aren't going to settle for just anybody, we'll demand quality candidates. We won't forget the lesson from McCain. Besides, remember Massachusetts? :D[/quote]

McCain is communist, tyrant, and a manchurian candidate.

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," Deutch said to cheering supporters. "Let me tell you something, what we learned today is that in Broward County and Palm Beach County, Florida, the Democratic Party is alive and well."

This is a [B]STATE[/B] Sen. seat and those two counties are more than 2 to 1 Dem. so not sure how much this says about an endorsement for Obama. If they lost the seat it would have def. said alot more but we all rember Broward county and the hanging chads.

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[quote=Beemnseven;687923]New Healthcare bill [URL="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64034"]restricts[/URL] further construction of privately-owned hospitals.

Yeah. Let's make sure there are [I]less[/I] hosiptals if we can. :doh:[/quote]
Once again you guys need to actually understand what you're reading.

This is speaking about physician-owned hospitals only, not other privately owned ones. Whether it's good or bad I'll leave to other people to argue since there's so much back and forth in the healthcare industry. It's an interesting decision as patients have the choice where to go, I'll say that.

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[quote=tryfuhl;688153]Once again you guys need to actually understand what you're reading.

This is speaking about physician-owned hospitals only, not other privately owned ones. Whether it's good or bad I'll leave to other people to argue since there's so much back and forth in the healthcare industry. It's an interesting decision as patients have the choice where to go, I'll say that.[/quote]


Well we do know that they are restricting a persons right to open up a legal (now I guess illegal) business to serve people. This is about doctors who cater to the rich because they can afford to go out of the system for medical treatments. I guess next they will make it illegal to build yahts, luxury car, and all homes will have to be built 5 miles from any body of water and will have to be less 2000 sq feet.

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[quote=firstdown;688163]Well we do know that they are restricting a persons right to open up a legal (now I guess illegal) business to serve people. This is about doctors who cater to the rich because they can afford to go out of the system for medical treatments. I guess next they will make it illegal to build yahts, luxury car, and all homes will have to be built 5 miles from any body of water and will have to be less 2000 sq feet.[/quote]

Oh my god, oh my yacht, I hate communism.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;688166]Oh my god, oh my yacht, I hate communism.[/quote]
Your last three (at least) posts all have the word Communism or Communist in it. It's getting to the point that when you talk, all I hear is: [img]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/avatars/parrot.jpg[/img]