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JC has the slowest release of all the QBs in the NFL! No, I take that back...What he is is indecisive about who he wants to throw to. So it takes a long time for him to make up his mind. It'll be interesting to compare JC to KO this Sunday.

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UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell the only of these 3 QBs to win!

Cutler:
WK 10 - 29/52 [B](55.8%)[/B], 307 yds, [B]0 TD[/B], [SIZE=3][B]5 INT[/B][/SIZE], [B]33.6 rating[/B], 2 rush yds
TOTAL: 211/338 (62.4%), 2,353 yds, 14 TD, 17 INT, 76.0 rating, 111 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 10 - 16/30 [B](53.3%)[/B], 212 yds, 1 TD, [B]2 INT[/B], [B]59.3 rating[/B], 0 rush yds
TOTAL: 130/244 (53.3%), 1,655 yds, 9 TD, 12 INT, 66.5 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 10 - 17/26 [U](65.4%)[/U], 193 yds, 1 TD, [U]0 INT[/U], [U]100.3 rating[/U], 15 rush yds
TOTAL: 168/254 (66.1%), 1,870 yds, 10 TD, 8 INT, 87.9 rating, 158 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Campbell (66.1%)[/COLOR][/B], Cutler (62.4%), [B][COLOR=Red]Sanchez (53.3%)[/COLOR][/B]
Yds = Cutler (2,353) Campbell (1,870) Sanchez (1,655)
TDs = Cutler (14), Campbell (10), Sanchez (9)
INTs (fewest) = [COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Campbell (8)[/B][/COLOR], Sanchez (12), [COLOR=Red][B]Cutler (17)[/B][/COLOR]
QB rating = [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Campbell (87.9)[/COLOR][/B], [COLOR=Red][B]Cutler (76.0), Sanchez (66.5)[/B][/COLOR]
Rush yds = [COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Campbell (158)[/B][/COLOR], Cutler (111), [B][COLOR=Red]Sanchez(60)[/COLOR][/B]


Week 10 Campbell overview:
JC was the only of the three QBs whose team won in Week 10. He was also the only who had a good game, finishing with a TD and no INTs, 65% completions and a passer rating over 100. Cutler and Sanchez both had horrible games again. Cutler put up some yards with over 300, but had a low completion %, no touchdowns and FIVE (5) interceptions! Sanchez had yet another inaccurate, low-yardage game with more INTs than TDs as he continues to be unimpressive, even with the addition of Braylon Edwards. Campbell still leads in every stat category except for yards and TDs, but he has less than half of the interceptions as Cutler, who cancels out all of his TDs and then some with 14 TDs and 17 INTs.

Campbell is the NFL's 16th-highest rated passer, ahead of hyped QBs like Matt Ryan (20th), Jay Cutler (22nd), Matt Cassel (23rd), Mark Sanchez (27th). Campbell is just behind Eli Manning and Carson Palmer in the rankings and every one of the QBs ranked ahead of him are Pro Bowl-caliber, household names. Given the whole offense's struggles, the offensive line problems he's had to endure, losing his biggest-name playmakers in Portis and Cooley, I think Jason is doing more than an aqdeuate, but a quality job running the offense to the best of his abilities. It's clear that he's a better choice than Cutler and especially Sanchez.

Now on to beat Dallas.
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Still looking like we made the right choice.

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[quote=44Deezel;623425]About frigging time they moved the pocket around. There are ways to scheme around a poor Offensive line. I've been saying it here for over a year, damnit! They finally showed it in the second half. Roll out Campbell, throw screens, run draws, etc. You can't eliminate all sacks, but what team can?

I really like the shotgun look within the 5. About damn time for that as well. Must be a Sherm thang.[/quote]
Thrilled with the way the offense has played since Sherm took over the calls!

Our line was bolstered slightly with Levi Jones and Rhinehart this week and they played well surprisingly, opening holes for Betts and protecting JC much better. They're not long-term answers but finally we have something resembling a competent line. I hope it continues. It if does, Campbell will by far be the clear choice of the 3 QBs we considered and would deserve to be brought back next year with some additions to the line.

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Are we really still comparing these guys?

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Did anybody expect Sanchez to be probowler this season or lead his team to the playoffs? I think a fairer comparison would be to look a Sanchez after his second or third year...Cutler is a fair comparision

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[quote=Buster;626066]Thrilled with the way the offense has played since Sherm took over the calls!

Our line was bolstered slightly with Levi Jones and Rhinehart this week and they played well surprisingly, opening holes for Betts and protecting JC much better. They're not long-term answers but finally we have something resembling a competent line. I hope it continues. It if does, Campbell will by far be the clear choice of the 3 QBs we considered and would deserve to be brought back next year with some additions to the line.[/quote]

I just don't get your man love for JC. I mean I love the guy too but I'm not blind when it comes to judging him. His stat line looked fine yesterday. But he just doesn't do anything consistently well enough to win you a game or be a top QB. It's the same things w/ him....sloppy footwork, inaccurate, skiddish in the pocket, can't come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr's...and so on. I'm fine w/ bringing the guy back but we'd better bring in some serious competition and have Colt compete for the job too.

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So for all of JC's stats and all, is there EVER going to be a time that he hits Moss when he's wide the fuck open ?

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[quote=Buster;626062]UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell the only of these 3 QBs to win!

Cutler:
WK 10 - 29/52 [B](55.8%)[/B], 307 yds, [B]0 TD[/B], [SIZE=3][B]5 INT[/B][/SIZE], [B]33.6 rating[/B], 2 rush yds
TOTAL: 211/338 (62.4%), 2,353 yds, 14 TD, 17 INT, 76.0 rating, 111 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 10 - 16/30 [B](53.3%)[/B], 212 yds, 1 TD, [B]2 INT[/B], [B]59.3 rating[/B], 0 rush yds
TOTAL: 130/244 (53.3%), 1,655 yds, 9 TD, 12 INT, 66.5 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 10 - 17/26 [U](65.4%)[/U], 193 yds, 1 TD, [U]0 INT[/U], [U]100.3 rating[/U], 15 rush yds
TOTAL: 168/254 (66.1%), 1,870 yds, 10 TD, 8 INT, 87.9 rating, 158 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Campbell (66.1%)[/COLOR][/B], Cutler (62.4%), [B][COLOR=Red]Sanchez (53.3%)[/COLOR][/B]
Yds = Cutler (2,353) Campbell (1,870) Sanchez (1,655)
TDs = Cutler (14), Campbell (10), Sanchez (9)
INTs (fewest) = [COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Campbell (8)[/B][/COLOR], Sanchez (12), [COLOR=Red][B]Cutler (17)[/B][/COLOR]
QB rating = [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Campbell (87.9)[/COLOR][/B], [COLOR=Red][B]Cutler (76.0), Sanchez (66.5)[/B][/COLOR]
Rush yds = [COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Campbell (158)[/B][/COLOR], Cutler (111), [B][COLOR=Red]Sanchez(60)[/COLOR][/B]


Week 10 Campbell overview:
JC was the only of the three QBs whose team won in Week 10. He was also the only who had a good game, finishing with a TD and no INTs, 65% completions and a passer rating over 100. Cutler and Sanchez both had horrible games again. Cutler put up some yards with over 300, but had a low completion %, no touchdowns and FIVE (5) interceptions! Sanchez had yet another inaccurate, low-yardage game with more INTs than TDs as he continues to be unimpressive, even with the addition of Braylon Edwards. Campbell still leads in every stat category except for yards and TDs, but he has less than half of the interceptions as Cutler, who cancels out all of his TDs and then some with 14 TDs and 17 INTs.

Campbell is the NFL's 16th-highest rated passer, ahead of hyped QBs like Matt Ryan (20th), Jay Cutler (22nd), Matt Cassel (23rd), Mark Sanchez (27th). Campbell is just behind Eli Manning and Carson Palmer in the rankings and every one of the QBs ranked ahead of him are Pro Bowl-caliber, household names. Given the whole offense's struggles, the offensive line problems he's had to endure, losing his biggest-name playmakers in Portis and Cooley, I think Jason is doing more than an aqdeuate, but a quality job running the offense to the best of his abilities. It's clear that he's a better choice than Cutler and especially Sanchez.

Now on to beat Dallas.
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Still looking like we made the right choice.[/quote]

Thanks for doing this every week Buster.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626089]I just don't get your man love for JC. I mean I love the guy too but I'm not blind when it comes to judging him. His stat line looked fine yesterday. But he just doesn't do anything consistently well enough to win you a game or be a top QB. It's the same things w/ him....sloppy footwork, inaccurate, skiddish in the pocket, can't come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr's...and so on. I'm fine w/ bringing the guy back but we'd better bring in some serious competition and have Colt compete for the job too.[/quote]

I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!? :laughing2

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;626090]So for all of JC's stats and all, is there EVER going to be a time that he hits Moss when he's wide the fuck open ?[/quote]

Moss hasn't exactly been playing up to his abilities either...he's made some big drops and boneheaded plays this season. Most of the Redskins have not lost heart and drive, but Moss appears to be one of them who have, along with Landry. It's a shame, Santana has the game to be a huge contributor, but looks like he's slacking this season.

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[quote=Chico23231;626076]Did anybody expect Sanchez to be probowler this season or lead his team to the playoffs? I think a fairer comparison would be to look a Sanchez after his second or third year...Cutler is a fair comparision[/quote]

If we had drafted Sanchez, his putrid stats would be on our box scores. People were saying they wanted him over Campbell, so it's fair to compare them this season because he'd be our starter if we had made the stupid mistake to replace Campbell with him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626089]I just don't get your man love for JC. I mean I love the guy too but I'm not blind when it comes to judging him. His stat line looked fine yesterday. But he just doesn't do anything consistently well enough to win you a game or be a top QB. It's the same things w/ him....sloppy footwork, inaccurate, skiddish in the pocket, can't come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr's...and so on. I'm fine w/ bringing the guy back but we'd better bring in some serious competition and have Colt compete for the job too.[/quote]

I don't understand your love for Colt Brennan.

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Here's my deal with Jason Campbell right now...

He's awfully inconsistent. Has a superb first drive in yesterday's game (which everyone seems to ignore) and had a horrible middle of the game, and a decent ending. He's a mediocre most of the time, average at best. He is no longer the QB of the future for this team and he's not going to be a Pro Bowler.

That being said, he's not going away anytime soon unless he a.) gets hurt or b.) has a TERRIBLE performance and gets benched (which already happened once). So really there is no point in bitching at him every single time he breathes. He is going to go away at the end of the season, either to the 2nd string or to another team.

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The biggest excuse for JC the past few yrs has been his changing of systems yet this whole thread is devoted to comparing him to 2 QB's who are each on a new team and in a new system. Wow.
Why waste the time and effort when its clear that he is gone after the season? IMO If Levi plays like he did yesterday that dooms JC even more because now DS and the FO can feel free to go after a bradford or another top QB in the draft instead of a top OT.
Yeah if you just look at the stats you will say he was solid but for those who saw the game they will tell you he made some plays and missed some big plays. Not what you want to see from a former 1st rounder,you expect him to make those throws.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626108]I don't understand your love for Colt Brennan.[/quote]:food-smil

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;626125]The biggest excuse for JC the past few yrs has been his changing of systems yet this whole thread is devoted to comparing him to 2 QB's who are each on a new team and in a new system. Wow.
Why waste the time and effort when its clear that he is gone after the season? IMO If Levi plays like he did yesterday that dooms JC even more because now DS and the FO can feel free to go after a bradford or another top QB in the draft instead of a top OT.
Yeah if you just look at the stats you will say he was solid but for those who saw the game they will tell you he made some plays and missed some big plays. Not what you want to see from a former 1st rounder,you expect him to make those throws.[/quote]

I think the point of this thread is just to compare JC to those two other QBs that were supposed to replace him...and just that.

I don't think you are finding anyone that is saying he should be the QB of the future or that he's doing a good job or anything like that. Hell, I think at best he should be our backup next year because I don't trust Brennan as a backup.

I'm sure people like you would love for him to have terrible stats to feel better about your criticism...but just be content with the fact that Campbell will not be the starting QB of the Redskins in 2010 and that just about everyone agrees, ok?

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This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

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[quote=redsk1;626151]This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. [B]Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer.[/B] Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.[/quote]

Who's saying he is?

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[quote=Buster;626098]Moss hasn't exactly been playing up to his abilities either...he's made some big drops and boneheaded plays this season. Most of the Redskins have not lost heart and drive, but Moss appears to be one of them who have, along with Landry. It's a shame, Santana has the game to be a huge contributor, but looks like he's slacking this season.[/quote]

A receiver cannot throw the ball to himself. I've seen Moss open and Jason either ignores or clearly misses him. I mean it's to a point when you can see Moss go free and you have no confidence that Campbell will hit him. You may, but I don't. The guy is a career back up IMO, nothing more.

I'm not even going to bring up the play before the fake punt field goal where Jason pump fakes to his right multiple times and neglects to see Todd Yoder running free down the middle of the field. Or the fact that they were running a cover 2 with the safeties covering the sidelines but Jason doesn't recognize it in time to hit Yoder. I mean the shit that other starting QB's do on a daily basis WITH or WITHOUT "Time" every Sunday.

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[quote=redsk1;626151]This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.[/quote]

Orton - 61.1% completion
Campbell - 65.4% "


Just saying. :D

Orton was playing great before 'Rak got to him, better than JC I can admit.

But he did "miss" more throws than JC if we're looking at comp %.

We out-passed them as a team 214-185 (thanks, Hunter!) and out-rushed them 174-120.

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[quote=redsk1;626151]This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. [B]Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?[/B]

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.[/quote]

Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.

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[quote=Buster;626094]I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!? :laughing2[/quote]

I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626165]I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. [B]But he's just not a legit NFL starter.[/B] He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.[/quote]

Who's saying he is though?

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I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626168]Who's saying he is though?[/quote]

I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626168]Who's saying he is though?[/quote]

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

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[quote=Paintrain;626175]I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. [B]For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.[/B][/quote]

Great point. I knew Sherm's production was a big improvement, but I did not have the numbers.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;626178]Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.[/quote]

Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).

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[quote=Buster;626177]I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.[/quote]

I think we're beyond wait and see....there's going to be a new coaching regime next year and at best JC will be our back up. Once again, I do believe right now he gives us the best chance to win (well it's more like the lesser of two evils), but we need a QB of the future and he's not going to be it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;626178]Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.[/quote]

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.

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It should be noted, there are no major, long-term free agent QBs in 2010.

[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html]2010 NFL Free Agents[/url]

Kyle Orton (will be kept by Denver for sure)
Jason Campbell
Chad Pennington (old and busted)
Tavaris Jackson (far less capable than even Campbell, has failed to keep job several times)
Kellen Clemens (could not beat out Sanchez for starter, barely backup quality)
Charlie Batch (old, not leaving Pittsburgh)
Kyle Boller (no)
David Carr (MAYBE...but has he been beaten to death in his Houston years)
Daunte Culpepper (injury risk)
Rex Grossman (no way)
Joey Harrington (had chances)
Jon Kitna (ancient)
Matt Moore (who?)
Brett Ratliff (who?)
Troy Smith (great in college, good in an emergency, not starter quality)


As for college: Tebow I don't see being an NFL success. Bradford is an injury risk. McCoy looks good, I don't trust a Notre Dame QB, Pike from Cincinnati...undecided...

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[quote=Paintrain;626188]I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

[B]If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy.[/B] If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.[/quote]

Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win. :twocents:

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Other vets may become availible after this season as other teams look to rebuild...Hasselbeck, Bulger, D. Anderson, etc. There not long term solutions either but could easily challenge JC at the QB spot.

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[quote=Mattyk72;626160]Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.[/quote]

At the game yesterday, upper deck...a couple beers in...I thought that was Simms in.

Nevertheless, Orton, who may not be a top 20 Nfl qb, didn't miss as much as JC yesterday.

JC is just not a franchise QB to build around. I like the guy, he's a good teamate, he just doesn't have it. We can all argue about the line, WR's, RB's, etc but he doesn't have it.

As i've said though, that doesn't mean he might not be the best option next year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626183]Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, [B]right now he gives us the best chance to win[/B] (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).[/quote]

I think Ciollins would do better in there if the line can play at the level it did yesterday. Collins probably hits Moss, he hits Thomas and no way does he miss an uncoverd Yoder.

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I agree that Collins would probably give us a better chance to win now, but honestly, whats the point? The more campbell plays, the better chance we have that he'll improve enough to give him some trade value in the offseason.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626212]I think Ciollins would do better in there if the line can play at the level it did yesterday. Collins probably hits Moss, he hits Thomas and no way does he miss an uncoverd Yoder.[/quote]

Still neither is a long term solution, so we have to deal with these two evils until the end of the season. While he didn't play well, JC did enough to win the game...or to not lose it.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;626213]I agree that Collins would probably give us a better chance to win now, but [B]honestly, whats the point? [/B] The more campbell plays, the better chance we have that he'll improve enough to give him some trade value in the offseason.[/quote]

Exactly, I don't understand why people get their panties in bunch.

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[quote=Paintrain;626188]I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

[B]If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy.[/B] If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.[/quote]

In other words, if everything around him is perfect, he can be a good quarterback. I don't think you can point to any stretch of Jason Campbell's career and pick out "2-3 plays" over multiple games that put us over the edge. The most recent one that stands out is the New Orleans game last year.

You might get 8, 9, maybe 10 wins that way, but the league's champions have QBs that can make big plays on a consistent basis. If you go up against a powerhouse team like the Colts, Pats, Saints, or Steelers, on their field or in the playoffs, you're going to need more than just a game managing QB who doesn't throw picks. In that sense, it's my contention that Jason Campbell won't be the quarterback of a championship team no matter where he plays.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;626196]Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win. :twocents:[/quote]I'd say that every team that wins the championship can run and play good defense. A lot of them can pass as well.

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[quote=Beemnseven;626241]In other words, if everything around him is perfect, he can be a good quarterback. I don't think you can point to any stretch of Jason Campbell's career and pick out "2-3 plays" over multiple games that put us over the edge. The most recent one that stands out is the New Orleans game last year.

You might get 8, 9, maybe 10 wins that way, but the league's champions have QBs that can make big plays on a consistent basis. If you go up against a powerhouse team like the Colts, Pats, Saints, or Steelers, on their field or in the playoffs, you're going to need more than just a game managing QB who doesn't throw picks. In that sense, it's my contention that Jason Campbell won't be the quarterback of a championship team no matter where he plays.[/quote]I think there's a medium between having league worst protection and receiving, like we currently have, and having everything around him be perfect.

Right now, we have a non-descript figurehead QB. Under the current circumstance, you could replace Campbell with Garcia or Byron Leftwich, and he would just be known as "Washington QB" and the production would be exactly the same. If you improved the units around him to league average, you'd probably have the Campbell of the first half of last year. If you add a great defense to that, then you have a super bowl contender.

Jason Campbell is probably not the type of player who gets better by putting the ball in his hands 50 times a game like Brady or Brees. If he had better ball-securing fundamentals, then maybe. If you put a legitimately great receiver and OL in front of him, you'd probably have something that looks like Steve McNair. Otherwise, you're always going to have to take the good with the bad.