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[quote=GMScud;602460]Wait, "he" is the cure to our woes? Don't you mean YOU are the cue to our woes?[/quote]

Indeed . . . .

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;602459]Redskins QB Jason Campbell had almost a perfect passer rating in the third quarter to lead three scoring drives. Washington outscored Tampa Bay 16-0 in the third quarter, but Campbell struggled the rest of the game.

Jason Campbell vs. Bucs
3rd Qtr Rest of game
Comp-Att 7-9 5-13
Yards 110 60
TD-Int 2-0 0-3
Passer rtg 157.2 13.8

We can rant or defend all we want but the fact remains that he struggled. Its not like this is the Tampa defense of old. take the win and enjoy it for what it is, but im not feeling real comfortable for the rest of the season as long as we keep sliding by these horrid teams and their bottom of the league defenses. [B]And this is another game where we made a first yr QB look good so the defense isnt exactly playing as expected either.[/B][/quote]

You think he (Johnson) looked good? I think his legs bailed him out a lot.

BTW, I'm not going to deny that Campbell sucked today, but he got his act together when it counted. I too worry for future games....especially his protection in the pass.

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We won. Ugly for sure but we won. It may be that every win must be savored this year. So, yay, we won!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;602430]I don't think we are out of the woods yet. God damn have we lowered our expectations so much that just a sqeaker win against a really bad team is cause to bring out the bubbly? That being said, I do like our chances against Dallas now. Romo isn't such the stud without TO. I just hope we can get out of this funk before we play Philly!!!![/quote]

We are bringing out bubbly? Where is at? I want some..lol

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[quote=GusFrerotte;602437]Are you frigging kidding me? When did one win just shut folks up in here? Especially another ugly one such as this. Do you really think we are playing to the best of our capabilty? I mean if everyone was " shiny happy people holding hands", this forum would be boring as hell.[/quote]

Ummm. No my point is. Some people will never be happy and always have something to complain about. Not that it is all unicorns rainbows and cotton candy. Some people know our team should be better but are happy that we won. That's doesn't mean that we dont see the ills our team has. But a win is a win. Try it sometimes. Relish it a little bit. Because it feels better than a loss. No one is saying SuperBowl. You are proving my point because you are getting irrate after a win. Besides that I was talking about "haters" - those who love to hate. Does this apply? Misery loves company..

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[quote=tmandoug1;602251]Got this off wikipedia when I typed in Jason Campbell.

2009
Despite pursuing other quarterbacks in the off season, the Redskins were unable to come to terms with Cutler or Sanchez, and thus opted to start Campbell for the last year of his current contract. Jason Campbell is widely considered to be the worst quarterback in the NFL today, he confirms this on a weekly basis.[/quote]

Interesting, I typed tmandoug1 into wikipedia and I got:
Warpath.net poster who adds little value to conversations he participates in.

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[quote=Paintrain;602477]Interesting, I typed tmandoug1 into wikipedia and I got:
Warpath.net poster who adds little value to conversations he participates in.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=Paintrain;602477]Interesting, I typed tmandoug1 into wikipedia and I got:
Warpath.net poster who adds little value to conversations he participates in.[/quote]


win!

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[quote=mredskins;602446]Perfect NFL weekend/ week ahead for me! Skins win, Ravens lose, and I win fantasy!

Touchdown for me!!!! =)[/quote]

Yeah, seeing the Cowgirls shit the bed after yet another bad Romo performance was great. The other 4 o'clock games were over when it happened too, so the whole nation watched them fail. Lovely.

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[quote=Mattyk72;602320]Kinda funny how quiet it is here tonight.[/quote]

Well, I for one don't feel much better at all about our team moving forward. Tampa and St. Louis are without a doubt the two worst teams in football, and we needed come from behind victories AT HOME to squeak it out vs both of them. Beating them by a combined 5 points in our house sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

I'm stoked that we won, but we're not very good at all. My only hope is that the players were pressing and playing tight in the first half, and they finally loosened up and tried to have some fun out there in the second half. But so it goes week in and week out for the Skins. Close games and what ifs.

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[quote=tryfuhl;602421]Did you make total assumptions without me even hinting or implying about what you just completely made up there?

If so it's not worth my effort.[/quote]

I'm kinda failing to see where at all in my previous post I made a total assumption about you. I mean I was asking a legit question there. I told you what my side of the argument was, aren't you gonna present yours? Is it worth the effort? I don't know. All I know is that I'm laying my cards on the table and all you are is making posts talking about me making total assumptions about you. I'm not assuming anything about you, other than maybe you aren't pleased with our offensive effort or production today. That assumption was based off your previous posts though. Inform me if I'm wrong so I can correct these misperceptions.

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[quote=GMScud;602492]Well, I for one don't feel much better at all about our team moving forward. Tampa and St. Louis are without a doubt the two worst teams in football, and we needed come from behind victories AT HOME to squeak it out vs both of them. Beating them by a combined 5 points in our house sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

I'm stoked that we won,[B] but we're not very good at all.[/B] My only hope is that the players were pressing and playing tight in the first half, and they finally loosened up and tried to have some fun out there in the second half. But so it goes week in and week out for the Skins. Close games and what ifs.[/quote]

I don't think we're good on offense. I've seen enough from this group and we just don't have the players. But I think we're solid on defense.

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I know someone else said it, but I think it is our best hope for our offense. It looks like Zorn in the 2nd half "took the handcuffs off". I am content with Campbell's INTs going up, if it means he gets the chance to hit Moss in stride in games. By the way, that was a heck of a long ball to Moss, he hit him in stride, on the sideline, 2 things that Campbell has struggled with. And Campbell responded with a perfect rating in the 3rd quarter. If we could somehow find that type "rhythm" in the first quarter, maybe we could play with a lead for a change and that might give both the offense and defense a chance to really put a complete game together. That's certainly my hope.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;602637]I know someone else said it, but I think it is our best hope for our offense. It looks like Zorn in the 2nd half "took the handcuffs off". I am content with Campbell's INTs going up, if it means he gets the chance to hit Moss in stride in games. By the way, that was a heck of a long ball to Moss, he hit him in stride, on the sideline, 2 things that Campbell has struggled with. And Campbell responded with a perfect rating in the 3rd quarter. If we could somehow find that type "rhythm" in the first quarter, maybe we could play with a lead for a change and that might give both the offense and defense a chance to really put a complete game together. That's certainly my hope.[/quote]

I think the team (including JC) as a whole need to stop making bonehead moves at the beginning of the game. Even if the team had gone 3 and out in the first drive (sans fumble lost) I believe things would have gone different in this game.

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[quote=GMScud;602492]Well, I for one don't feel much better at all about our team moving forward. Tampa and St. Louis are without a doubt the two worst teams in football, and we needed come from behind victories AT HOME to squeak it out vs both of them. Beating them by a combined 5 points in our house sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

I'm stoked that we won, but we're not very good at all. My only hope is that the players were pressing and playing tight in the first half, and they finally loosened up and tried to have some fun out there in the second half. But so it goes week in and week out for the Skins. Close games and what ifs.[/quote]Well, I suggested that things would get worse before they get better on offense. But our defense only gave up one TD and two FGs, and the TD was short field.

Things will come together on offense in time, but the defense needs to carry the day and we'll probably have to win ugly for awhile. It's not going to be a 35-7 win next week. 20-17 might be the best we can hope for.

If I'm right, this will be a good team in December. Possibly a very good team. But being an unfinished product is not an excuse for complete unit breakdowns. The offense needs to be sharper than it was today, even if it can't put it altogether just yet.

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[quote=Paintrain;602477]Interesting, I typed tmandoug1 into wikipedia and I got:
Warpath.net poster who adds little value to conversations he participates in.[/quote]
:hitfan::spank:

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602116]this wasn't an enjoyable win, dumbass[/quote]

You Colt fan you don't even Rate to post on a Redskin Blog. Get a life and go to the Colts Blog fool.:hater:

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[quote=tmandoug1;602193]JC had time today, I watched him on every play, he can't stay there all day, he is not reading the D and gets lost after he drops off the first read and then scrambles to find the dump off. Why do we do this every week, he turned it over 4 times.[/quote]

He may have time to throw on some plays but in the 1qtr Tampa Bay only rushed 4 and he had no time. Did you see that the Redskins WR were not getting any seperation on their routes. He had no where to throw the ball because the Bucs were blanketing our WR.

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[quote=GTripp0012;602648]Well, I suggested that things would get worse before they get better on offense. But our defense only gave up one TD and two FGs, and the TD was short field.

Things will come together on offense in time, but the defense needs to carry the day and we'll probably have to win ugly for awhile. It's not going to be a 35-7 win next week. 20-17 might be the best we can hope for.

If I'm right, this will be a good team in December. Possibly a very good team. But being an unfinished product is not an excuse for complete unit breakdowns. The offense needs to be sharper than it was today, even if it can't put it altogether just yet.[/quote]

After watching this same group of guys for several years, do you honestly think we're going to be a good offense by the end of the year? I don't mean yardage wise, I mean an offense that can consistently put up 20+ points. I've seen nothing from this group that tells me they're capable of doing that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;602628]I don't think we're good on offense. I've seen enough from this group and we just don't have the players. But I think we're solid on defense.[/quote]

Maybe we need to see more of Mitchell and Mason. I mean the Saints are led by a 7th round receiver and undrafted running back (and Brees of course)

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[quote=SmootSmack;602674]Maybe we need to see more of Mitchell and Mason. I mean the Saints are led by a 7th round receiver and undrafted running back (and Brees of course)[/quote]

I agree with Mitchell. Enough of Thomas and Kelly. I'd like to see Aldridge on the field.

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[quote=skins89moss;602662]You Colt fan you don't even Rate to post on a Redskin Blog. Get a life and go to the Colts Blog fool.:hater:[/quote]

Don't bother with "CultBrennan59" I've outed him, he's a Cowboys fan.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;602134]but it's a win nonetheless. kill yourself if your that miserable[/quote]

Truer words have never been spoken on the Warpath.

I'm enjoying the win. JC did not look right all day (shoulder issue maybe?) but he came through in the clutch to win it for us. The D really stepped up in the second half. I am happy with 2-2 with the struggles we've had.

TB's D really showed up today, they have some incredible young talent...Gaines Adams, Aqib Talib, Barrett Ruud, Geno Hayes. They are better than most gave them credit for coming into the game.

Let's hope for 5 INTs by Delhomme next week. Of course, Rogers will drop 3 of them.

Satisfying to see Dallas lose too. I am shocked by Denver, I had them penciled in for about 5 wins for the whole year, and they're 4-0 now!

At least Zorn isn't getting himself arrested and potentially suspended by the league like some other team's coach right now. He's learning, he'll be better than in the past few games...he can't get worse. Playoffs, here we come. :)



Side note - I loved how it seemed the upright had a microphone on it when Nugent's FG try hit it...BWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG!

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[quote=Buster;602718]Truer words have never been spoken on the Warpath.

I'm enjoying the win. JC did not look right all day (shoulder issue maybe?) but he came through in the clutch to win it for us. The D really stepped up in the second half. I am happy with 2-2 with the struggles we've had.

TB's D really showed up today, they have some incredible young talent...Gaines Adams, Aqib Talib, Barrett Ruud, Geno Hayes. They are better than most gave them credit for coming into the game.

Let's hope for 5 INTs by Delhomme next week. [B]Of course, Rogers will drop 3 of them.[/B]


Side note - I loved how it seemed the upright had a microphone on it when Nugent's FG try hit it...BWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG![/quote]

I think the DBs coach needs to put some glue in Los' hand. Dude's gotta be up there in dropped INTs! LOL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;602708]I agree with Mitchell. Enough of Thomas and Kelly. I'd like to see Aldridge on the field.[/quote]

sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;602723]sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.[/quote]

Unfortunately, if Moss keeps catching 50 yd bombs, nothing will be done.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;602723]sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.[/quote]

we're not inside redskin park so we don't know if hixon is doing a good job or not. all i know is these guys can't get open. thomas may be fast but it seems like he only has straight line speed and isn't fast coming out of breaks or doesn't run his routes very well. kelly is just flat out slow so if i were zorn i would never run him on anything deep.

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[quote=skins89moss;602663]He may have time to throw on some plays but in the 1qtr Tampa Bay only rushed 4 and he had no time. Did you see that the Redskins WR were not getting any seperation on their routes. He had no where to throw the ball because the Bucs were blanketing our WR.[/quote]
What I liked is that it looked like durn 1/2 time we made some adjustments and got our WR's open in the 2nd half.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;602723]sadly, I am back to being pessimistic about our WRs. Preseason I was finally getting off of the Kick Hixon Out club, but I just renewed my membership for the rest of the season. You can try to tell me it's all the receivers fault, after all they are the ones who have to go out and prove it. But Kelly, Mitchell, even DT showed promise, they have potential, but no one is training them up. I wonder what it would take to get Hixon gone. He is the cockroach coach of Redskin Park.[/quote]

A quick review of the game tells me Devin Thomas is getting open more often than we're giving him credit for. Would like to see more passes go his way, but that means Campbell has to check off a lot of other receivers it seems and there's just no time for him to do that

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When it comes to the WRs let's be honest, our best options remain Moss on the outside and Cooley underneath. I feel that Kelly is close to breaking out. JC is trying to get the ball to him even when he's covered and giving him the chance to make a play. We should be happy we're seeing that.

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I'm more worried about Hunter the Punter than our WRs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;602648]Well, I suggested that things would get worse before they get better on offense. But our defense only gave up one TD and two FGs, and the TD was short field.
[B]
Things will come together on offense in time,[/B] but the defense needs to carry the day and we'll probably have to win ugly for awhile. It's not going to be a 35-7 win next week. 20-17 might be the best we can hope for.

If I'm right, this will be a good team in December. Possibly a very good team. But being an unfinished product is not an excuse for complete unit breakdowns. The offense needs to be sharper than it was today, even if it can't put it altogether just yet.[/quote]

When is that time gonna be though? Zorn has had 9 preseason and 20 regular season games for it to come together. That's a LONG time in the NFL. It's not a very patient league. He's had the same team, system, coaches, and QB the entire time. He needs this thing to start clicking like yesterday.

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[quote=skinsfan69;602736]we're not inside redskin park so we don't know if hixon is doing a good job or not. all i know is these guys can't get open. thomas may be fast but it seems like he only has straight line speed and isn't fast coming out of breaks or doesn't run his routes very well. kelly is just flat out slow so if i were zorn i would never run him on anything deep.[/quote]

That NFL Films game analysis by Cosell earlier in the week said that our route combinations are poor. Maybe that has something to do with it. GTripp could probably shed some light on that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;602671]After watching this same group of guys for several years, do you honestly think we're going to be a good offense by the end of the year? I don't mean yardage wise, I mean an offense that can consistently put up 20+ points. I've seen nothing from this group that tells me they're capable of doing that.[/quote]It's on a whole bunch of factors, but mostly it's based around the fact that I think Zorn has good protection schemes and that if he's still around at the end of the year, this protection unit can give Campbell all day to find receivers downfield.

But it's dependent on the small things being executed in the intermittent. Jason Campbell needs to do a better job protecting the football, and the games need to be won, even if we're just doing it on a 2-5 point margin every week.

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[quote=GMScud;603054]That NFL Films game analysis by Cosell earlier in the week said that our route combinations are poor. Maybe that has something to do with it. GTripp could probably shed some light on that.[/quote]Cosell read my mind with that one. And I thought he was spot on. Of course, he's dealing with a much greater sample size than me, because I only get to see the route combinations every once in a while on replay, but the Zorn playbook clearly does not put much stock in complicated downfield routes.

But as Greg Cosell said, the Skins break out 2-3 plays a game where they really try to put specific downfield players in a bind. But the vast majority of play design is all about trying to attack the weaker coverage players on the offense. Very rarely does Zorn ever try to work the safety area.

And I don't think that's inherently good or inherently bad. It is what it is. Like the majority of the defensive schemes, what the Redskins do with their receivers is very vanilla. And it's probably partially responsible for the receivers not getting open downfield. But not as much as the fact that no one outside of Moss really presents a downfield speed threat.

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Complicated downfield route combinations are not for every offense. It will hurt some offenses much more than it will help. Just like complicated defensive coverages will. The Redskins just don't put a whole lot of strategic stock into what happens between the 15 and 30 yard range from the LOS. That's why you see a lot of clear routes in the Zorn offense: the focus of the strategery is in the short-to-intermediate zones.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602745]A quick review of the game tells me Devin Thomas is getting open more often than we're giving him credit for. Would like to see more passes go his way, but that means Campbell has to check off a lot of other receivers it seems and there's just no time for him to do that[/quote]Devin has been open in the last two weeks. A lot. I think he's benefitted from a simplification of his responsibilities.

I think we'll see him more involved in the passing game in the next few weeks. He'll likely have a 4 catch game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603110]Devin has been open in the last two weeks. A lot. I think he's benefitted from a simplification of his responsibilities.

I think we'll see him more involved in the passing game in the next few weeks. He'll likely have a 4 catch game.[/quote]

Music to my ears.

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Off topic are u guys watchin MNF tonight I wish our line protected Campbell like the Vikes protect Farve..he has the time of someone baking a cake or waiting for a bus back there.

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He was in shotgun with Chester Taylor lined up on his right side. As he was barking out his cadence, the Packers Defenders started to move. He saw something and then directed Taylor to his left side, snapped the ball and threw him a screen pass that went for 20. Favre is still sick. He's throwing darts out there. And the TD pass to some guy named Sidney was sick and had absolutely nothing to do with pass protection or separation. It was a friggin laser thrown into a tight spot within a second or two while falling to his right.

And the dude is going to be 40 next week.