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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886727]Here's what puzzles me: Some people here don't want to trade next years 1st to get RGIII but would be fine with BPA and trade back into the 1st round to get Tannehill. What do you think we'd be giving up to get back into the first rd? Heinz ketchup?[/quote]

It's all hypothetical. No one knows how high Tannehill will go. If the estimations are correct and he's valued as a mid-first round pick, then it would cost relatively less to pull off that trade than one at the top of the draft.

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I just FA and the draft to hurry up and get here.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886734]Hoyer wasn't drafted 30gut.[/quote]
Quite right, I was writing that post from memory so thank you for the correction, Hoyer was not drafted he was signed as an UDFA.
But, do see the larger point of the post?

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[quote=biffle;886711]Wow. They drafted someone to take his place when he leaves? Heavens, that must mean he's terrible.[/quote]


So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886743]So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.[/quote]

thank u.. Lets please end the Hoyer talk I'd rather have Sanchez

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I definitely see where your coming from. I'm just tired of losing 21 years since our last SB appearance. I was 2. Couldn't get Bradford, McNabb failed, Locker was stolen. Now is the time to risk it for your QB. I still blame Matt Barkley though.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886745]I definitely see where your coming from. I'm just tired of losing 21 years since our last SB appearance. I was 2. Couldn't get Bradford, McNabb failed, Locker was stolen. Now is the time to risk it for your QB. I still blame Matt Barkley though.[/quote]


We are in the same boat ALWAYS LOSERS

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886743]So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.[/quote]

This is far from the only site that mentions him. He's come up multiple times for starters. And yes, they knew he would be an RFA this year and an UFA next. Not that any of that matters, they draft for value with all their picks and saw good value in Mallet.

They kept him as the only back-up for Tom Brady for two years, Hoyer's first two years in the league. Heading into his third year they drafted another QB to be the third stringer. Now they are debating whether to put a 1st or 2nd round tender on Hoyer as an RFA. If you look at that situation and see some kind of indictment of Hoyer's abilites from the Patriots, I would suggest you need to have your brainwaves reset somehow.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886745]I definitely see where your coming from. I'm just tired of losing 21 years since our last SB appearance. I was 2. Couldn't get Bradford, McNabb failed, Locker was stolen. Now is the time to risk it for your QB. I still blame Matt Barkley though.[/quote]I hear yah bro.
We all want a 'franchise' QB but there are many ways to get one.
But no matter how we get the QB we have to be able to support their development until they can support the team.
And I think where this team has failed over and over again is not having the right pieces in place to support a young potential 'franchise' QB.
We have to admit that we've been a bad team/franchise for quite some time.
And imo a bad franchise cannot produce a 'franchise' QB.
However I think the proper peices are in place now.
That's why I wish that we would have drafted our QB of the future [I][B]last[/B][/I] year.
And its why I root against almost every QB that was drafted after Locker because everyone of those QBs could have been our QB.
Blaine Gabbert's rookie struggles have saved this franchise from having to answer some tough questions.
I just hope we fix our QB situation before Blaine turns the corner.

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[quote=biffle;886751] They kept him as the only back-up for Tom Brady for two years, Hoyer's first two years in the league. Heading into his third year they drafted another QB to be the third stringer. Now they are debating whether to put a 1st or 2nd round tender on Hoyer as an RFA. If you look at that situation and see some kind of indictment of Hoyer's abilites from the Patriots, I would suggest you need to have your brainwaves reset somehow.[/quote]

LOL...OK
Patriots are not the end all- be all to evaluating talent. If I remember correctly they LOST the Superbowl and haven't one a Superbowl since the whose spy gate thing.

I think MS and BA have made the necessary steps to stregthen/ empower our scouting department. I know they will make the right decision in regards to the roster. I will be very suprised is Hoyer is that decision.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886755]LOL...OK
Patriots are not the end all- be all to evaluating talent. If I remember correctly they LOST the Superbowl and haven't one a Superbowl since the whose spy gate thing.

I think MS and BA have made the necessary steps to stregthen/ empower our scouting department. I know they will make the right decision in regards to the roster. I will be very suprised is Hoyer is that decision.[/quote]

Which has [I]what [/I]to do with your rather ridiculous statement that drafting Mallett meant that he "hadn't shown enough" to the Patriots?

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[quote=Mattyk;886733]It won't be as steep as trading up to 1 or 2[/quote]It will probably cost about the same as trading up to two.

But you're going from 39th to 11th (if you're targeting Tannehill, and not longest remaining of Tannehill/Foles/Cousins/Osweiler), it's going to cost you next year's first and probably the 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

But you're also (theoretically) getting an elite NFL talent with the 6th pick, and if you don't think Tannehill is just as good as Jay Cutler was in 2006, you shouldn't be trading to get him in the top half of the first round anyway. It, ultimately, would be more expensive to do it that way than to target RG3, but assuming the 6th overall pick is what you think you are getting, you're improving your team by a lot more in that example.

It would be like if instead of trading up for Mark Sanchez in 2009 and sticking with Kevin Barnes in the third round, we chose to add Malcolm Jenkins and Josh Freeman. Although in both situations, we would have given up the opportunity to draft both Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams.

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I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886762]I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.[/quote]Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?

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[quote=GTripp0012;886763]Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?[/quote]

Tim Tebow...who else?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886764]Tim Tebow...who else?[/quote]Just wait a year.

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[quote=biffle;886757]Which has [I]what [/I]to do with your rather ridiculous statement that drafting Mallett meant that he "hadn't shown enough" to the Patriots?[/quote]


At the end of the day having Hoyer on the roster didn't stop them from drafting Mallett. I'll eat my words when Hoyer is the next Aaron Rogers and in a Redskins uniform. I'm not going to hold my breath

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886766]At the end of the day having Hoyer on the roster didn't stop them from drafting Mallett. I'll eat my words when Hoyer is the next Aaron Rogers and in a Redskins uniform. I'm not going to hold my breath[/quote]

So, you made a stupid comment, and when confronted with the facts, you tried misdirection and nonsense rather than admit how wrong your comment was. How wonderful.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886765]Just wait a year.[/quote]

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

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[quote=biffle;886767]So, you made a stupid comment, and when confronted with the facts, you tried misdirection and nonsense rather than admit how wrong your comment was. How wonderful.[/quote]

What facts?

That Hoyer has been in the league for 3 years thrown 43 passes for 286 yards and 1 touchdown. That only goes to further prove my point.

Dude are you his cousin?

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[quote=diehard;886740]It's all hypothetical. No one knows how high Tannehill will go. If the estimations are correct and he's valued as a mid-first round pick, then it would cost relatively less to pull off that trade than one at the top of the draft.[/quote]

He will either go to Seattle or he will fall hard.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886769]What facts?

That Hoyer has been in the league for 3 years thrown 43 passes for 286 yards and 1 touchdown. That only goes to further prove my point.

Dude are you his cousin?[/quote]

Jesus dude, give it up. The only thing more idiotic than your original "point" is the idiotic way you've tried to defend it.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886768]Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more! I believe that RGIII will have the same effect on our rushing offense.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886770]He will either go to Seattle or he will fall hard.[/quote]

Not necessarily. Another team could trade up for him. Denver or Cleveland (with their second 1st) could be in the market for him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886768]Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.[/quote]I understand that Griffin is going to go a lot higher in the draft, but I have a hard time rectifying that with not wanting to grab a Jason Campbell or Patrick Ramsey level prospect, because while Griffin is exciting and everything and a Heisman winner, Campbell and Ramsey were really highly regarded as well coming out. I mean, not Andrew Luck regarded (I was anticipating you responding with Luck), but nothing that's being said about Griffin's upside now hasn't been said about past QB prospects drafted by the Redskins in the first round. I promise you that the need to change the QB every year is not for lack of trying to find a long term solution.

I think the Griffin hype is very justified, and he adds the element of the highlight reel play (which Campbell and Ramsey were never going to give you), but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.

A proposition to give up multiple drafts and get Andrew Luck? Now that would be a change in organizational philosophy from the past -- aside from being nearly impossible to execute.

***

Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler? No Orakpo, no Trent Williams, maybe no Kerrigan, and you'd have a quarterback who is somewhere between the tenth and twentieth best player at his profession in the world. But on the plus side, you would have saved the picks that went into the McNabb trade, and might have made the postseason in 2010? Although that last part might be wishful thinking.

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[quote=biffle;886771]Jesus dude, give it up. The only thing more idiotic than your original "point" is the idiotic way you've tried to defend it.[/quote]

You sound real bitter bro... I have not insulted your intelligence or done anything more than ask you to back your theory on Hoyer. Other than he plays for the Patriots there is no arguement as to why we should aquire him. I DO NOT want the Redskins to get caught in the same trap as the Chiefs. I want us to go in different direction either with PM or RGIII.

Respect that and move on. Stop being a Troll.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;886775]You sound real bitter bro... I have not insulted your intelligence or done anything more than ask you to back your theory on Hoyer. Other than he plays for the Patriots there is no arguement as to why we should aquire him. I DO NOT want the Redskins to get caught in the same trap as the Chiefs. I want us to go in different direction either with PM or RGIII.

Respect that and move on. Stop being a Troll.[/quote]

Not bitter and not a troll.

You made the ridiculous "point" about Mallett being drafted proving something about Hoyer's ability. When it's pointed out that they felt enough of him to keep him as the only back-up to Brady for two years and only drafted Mallett to replace him after he's a FA, you then question the Pats' competence because they lost SB and haven't won one in 7 years. Not only is that a pathetic argument, but it completely contradicts the "logic" of the first one, as that was entirely based on the Patriots' judgement meaning something. Since then, you've thrown out several comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what you started and then even fell back into "well, they drafted Mallett" again.

Don't post anything if you can't handle people pointing out when you're wrong. And if you're going to refuse to admit it and then fling out misdirection and contradictory statements to deflect from it, you better be able to deal with people questioning you, if not your intelligence itself.

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Guys relax, in a honesty it doesn't matter what we want, MS will get the Qb he wants and as skins fans we will rally and love the decision regardless

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[quote=Pigskins;886777]Guys relax, in a honesty it doesn't matter what we want, MS will get the Qb he wants and as skins fans [B]we will rally and love the decision regardless[/B][/quote]

We did that last year. The result was Rex Grossman and John Beck. We also did it the year before. The result was Donovan McNabb.

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[quote=biffle;886773]Not necessarily. Another team could trade up for him. Denver or Cleveland (with their second 1st) could be in the market for him.[/quote]

Good point. I forgot Cleveland at 22.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886779]Good point. I forgot Cleveland at 22.[/quote]

Depending on what they do with their first choice, of course.

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How long is this thread going to go, as if these two were the only two options out there. Surprise, surprise...something different is going to happen and we will all be delighted about it come week 10 of the next season...

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886778]We did that last year. The result was Rex Grossman and John Beck. We also did it the year before. The result was Donovan McNabb.[/quote]

Your still here aren't you?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;886768]Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.



I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.



Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been imagining too.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;886764]Tim Tebow...who else?[/QUOTE]

Not since The Cosby Show have a doctor and a lawyer been so in sync with each other.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886774] but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.[/quote]I wonder how often the consensus top QB actually proves to be the top QB? 50%?
I think skill set of QB we drafted wasn't the issue holding this team back as much as the team [I][B]itself[/B][/I] was the issue.
I can't imagine drafting Aaron Rodgers would have made a meaningful difference here then Jason Campbell because the Aaron Rodgers that we know was drafted into a good situation with a strong FO with a clear team vision, quality personnel, with a stable offensive minded QB friendly HC and got to sit for a couple/few years and develop in that system.


[quote=GTripp0012;886774]Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler? [/quote]Nope.
Like you mention the team itself would actually be worse.
No Orkapo, no Trent Williams and we can't imagine that Synder through Vinny C as his proxy would have made suddenly started making sound personnel decisons.

Can you imagine how Cutler would have reacted amidst the nightmare that was the personnel, FO and coaching staff management when Campbell was here?

I think the perception of Cutler would be even worse now then it is already.

btw-I think Culter is one of the most talented QBs in the NFL but going to Chicago has lowered his statistical progression and many fans think he's a lesser QB because of it.
But over the past 2 years (I watch a lot of Bears football) Cutler has been playing some darn good football behind an OL that takes an almost stupid amount of toughness to play behind.

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[quote=biffle;886776]Not bitter and not a troll.
Don't post anything if you can't handle people pointing out when you're wrong. And if you're going to refuse to admit it and then fling out misdirection and contradictory statements to deflect from it, you better be able to deal with people questioning you, if not your intelligence itself.[/quote]

You continue with the insulting statements about my intelligence which is disrespectfull and uncalled for.

My comments aren't stupid or invalid just because you don't agree with them. I made a statement and I standby it. Hoyer is nothing more than bargaining chip imo. The Patriots are smart enough to create a percieved value by saying that they may (yet to be seen if they do it) give him a high tender as a RFA. The fact of the matter is no one has NFL tape on this guy except the Patriots (other than preseason gametape against vanilla defenses). By giving the perception that the Patriots want to keep him it my garner for them trade value from some team who values the Patriots front office more than their own. I hope the Redskins aren't that team. Also having Mallett on the roster has made him expendible which is a valid arguement. He wasn't so good that they said we pass on taking Mallett. As a RFA the Patriots can keep him if they so choose. All they have to do is put a tender on him. It's not like UFA where if they want to keep him they better franchise him or sign him long term.

Im done with this. I continue to ask you to validate why his value should be a 3rd and 4th rounder or any pick for that matter from us. The fact that he is on the Patriots roster and he played behind Tom Brady is not enough for me to give up a McNabb type deal to get him. The Patriots are going to possibly find some sucker to take him creating a pick out of an undrafted, untested player, hopefullly it's not from the team in DC.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886762]I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.[/quote]

Mmm. This.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886705]Your opinion. Until I see something to change my mind I stand by my statement of him and trading two picks to get him a joke.[/quote]

Completely agree.

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[quote=30gut;886730]I think you scout young unknown QBs the same way you scout a college prospect: [I]skill set[/I].
Skill set is the only evidence any rookie or young unproven QB can have to suggest whether or not they'll succeed.
We know that Hoyer has shown the skillset to get drafted and make an NFL roster.
He's also shown the skillset to be the back-up QB for a well run franchise that values every spot on the roster and expects the next man up to produce.
The fact that Bellichick trust him as the back-up for his playoff team alone speaks volumes.

But in the end Hoyer is no different then Flynn or Josh Johnson or Jimmy Clausen or Tyrod Taylor or Matt Lienart or any young, journeyman or second chance QB.

Only opportunity will answer the question of whether they can handle being thee guy.

I understand the concern for the fans of this franchise if the Shanahan's choose to go the journeymen/second chance QB route.
Going after a guy like Hoyer would be an unconventional approach to addressing this team's QB need and the Shanahan has used up the cache of QB failure leeway.
If they try and use the smartest man in the room approach to address the QB position they cannot afford to get it wrong.
And the perception right or wrong is that journeyman/second chance QBs are less likely to succeed then drafted QBs.[/quote]

Im not 100% sure, but I thought Hoyer didnt get drafted, was an UDFA