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[quote=RedskinRat;950587][I]This morning, the non-partisan group, Government Accountability Institute (GAI) released its [URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/gai-report-exposes-obama-campaign-accepting-foreign-donations"]109 page report[/URL], the first ever analysis of election campaign donations issues called, “America the Vulnerable: Are Foreign and Fraudulent Online Campaign Contributions Influencing U.S. Elections?” raises indications the Obama campaign has potentially violated federal election law by failing to prevent the use of fraudulent or foreign credit card transactions on the official Obama for America [OFA] donation webpage. The use of the CVV number for donation transactions is non-existent by the Obama campaign among other suspicious activity.[/I][/quote]

I never heard of Government Accountability Institute but a simple search for the group yields the fact that [URL="http://g-a-i.org/team/"]they are NOT a non-partisan group[/URL].

If there is in fact a problem with team Obama not collecting CVV then the question is it illegal and whether this practice is prevalent in our political system.

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[quote=Chico23231;950791]thinking about putting up a canidate sign in my yard that says: "MITT is da SHITT"[/quote]

I say you put up "I'm sMITTen with MITTen!"
*dated reference but at one point ~half of the population thought Mitt was short for Mitten.

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One question for everyone -- is there any use for the electoral college anymore? Is there any reason we don't just do the popular vote? I understand the electoral college when we were unable to quickly and efficiently count votes and report the numbers up so getting a majority and giving electoral votes made sense. Now we have the technology and ability to let every vote count evenly. Let a vote for Obama count in Texas, and a vote for Mitt count in New Hampshire. Am I missing why the electoral college is important?

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Nah, businesses don't need to be regulated from doing shit like this.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003]David Siegel Email To Workers Threatens Layoffs If Obama Is Reelected (UPDATE)[/url]

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[quote=Daseal;950806]I say you put up "I'm sMITTen with MITTen!"
*dated reference but at one point ~half of the population thought Mitt was short for Mitten.[/quote]

What about "I'm SHITTen for MITTen!"

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[quote=Daseal;950808]One question for everyone -- is there any use for the electoral college anymore? Is there any reason we don't just do the popular vote? I understand the electoral college when we were unable to quickly and efficiently count votes and report the numbers up so getting a majority and giving electoral votes made sense. Now we have the technology and ability to let every vote count evenly. Let a vote for Obama count in Texas, and a vote for Mitt count in New Hampshire. Am I missing why the electoral college is important?[/quote]

Its so we don't have a few large states picking our president and holding all the power. The electoral college has never been about counting the votes its about giving all states a say in who is elected.

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[quote=NC_Skins;950871]Nah, businesses don't need to be regulated from doing shit like this.

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003"]David Siegel Email To Workers Threatens Layoffs If Obama Is Reelected (UPDATE)[/URL][/quote]

Makes sense to me. Who the hell do you think takes the hit when big business gets hit with higher taxes, higher overhead, higher cost, slow sales, etc... First people hit are employees. That's one reason Mitt has said Obama care will hurt employment which he is correct.

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[quote=firstdown;950879]Its so we don't have a few large states picking our president and holding all the power. The electoral college has never been about counting the votes its about giving all states a say in who is elected.[/quote]

Why does size of a state matter. Shouldn't every person be counted equally?

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[quote=Daseal;950889]Why does size of a state matter. Shouldn't every person be counted equally?[/quote]


If you look at population of CA, TX, NY, Fl, IL, they have more population then the other 52 states combined. If you were a politician where would you spend your money and which states would you pass favorable legislation?

[URL="http://www.ipl.org/div/stateknow/popchart.html#statesbypop"]States - Ranked by Size & Population - ipl2 Stately Knowledge: Facts about the United States[/URL]

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[url=http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/stacey-dash-twitter-backlash-voicing-support-romney-170600904.html]Stacey Dash Twitter Backlash After Voicing Support of Romney | Work + Money - Yahoo! Shine[/url]

crazy how hateful some people are.

Man, i would crush that ass

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[quote=firstdown;950881]Makes sense to me. Who the hell do you think takes the hit when big business gets hit with higher taxes, higher overhead, higher cost, slow sales, etc... First people hit are employees. That's one reason Mitt has said Obama care will hurt employment which he is correct.[/quote]
So when taxes go up on business the companies don't pass that on to the public?wow....how nice of them.:)

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[quote=firstdown;950899]If you look at population of CA, TX, NY, Fl, IL, they have more population then the other 52 states combined. If you were a politician where would you spend your money and which states would you pass favorable legislation?

[URL="http://www.ipl.org/div/stateknow/popchart.html#statesbypop"]States - Ranked by Size & Population - ipl2 Stately Knowledge: Facts about the United States[/URL][/quote]

If anything we'd see more of a swing. Repubs and democrats don't really have a reason to go to California. It's not like they hit a lot of stops in South Dakota. Wouldn't it be better if more of the resources happen for most of the people? I'll drop it now, just seems silly to me that we don't do the popular vote.

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[quote=firstdown;950899]If you look at population of CA, TX, NY, Fl, IL, they have more population then the [B]other 52 states[/B] combined. If you were a politician where would you spend your money and which states would you pass favorable legislation?

[URL="http://www.ipl.org/div/stateknow/popchart.html#statesbypop"]States - Ranked by Size & Population - ipl2 Stately Knowledge: Facts about the United States[/URL][/quote]


There are actually 57 states, fyi

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws[/ame]

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[quote=Chico23231;950902][URL="http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/stacey-dash-twitter-backlash-voicing-support-romney-170600904.html"]Stacey Dash Twitter Backlash After Voicing Support of Romney | Work + Money - Yahoo! Shine[/URL]

crazy how hateful some people are.

[B]Man, i would crush that ass[/B][/quote]

I'd 2nd that.

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[quote=mlmpetert;950908]There are actually [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws"]56 states[/URL], fyi[/quote]


You figured it out.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/romney-promises-no-abortion-legislation-004508435--election.html]Romney promises no abortion legislation - Yahoo! News[/url]


For. Against. For. Against. For. Against. For.

Wait...which group am I talking to today? Ok...in that case Against.



:laughing-

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[quote=Giantone;950904]So when taxes go up on business the companies don't pass that on to the public?wow....how nice of them.:)[/quote]

Depends, I don't set the price for my product so I have no choice there. If a company decides to increase their prices they also risk loosing business to other company that choose to cut back on employees to keep prices down.

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[quote=NC_Skins;951075][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/romney-promises-no-abortion-legislation-004508435--election.html"]Romney promises no abortion legislation - Yahoo! News[/URL]


For. Against. For. Against. For. Against. For.

Wait...which group am I talking to today? Ok...in that case Against.



:laughing-[/quote]

Your getting your news from Yahoo. Enough said.

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Even Big Bird rejects Obama. LMAO

Feathers were ruffled on Sesame Street on Tuesday when the Obama campaign launched a campaign ad starring Big Bird.

The new spot, which airs on cable networks, mocks Mitt Romney for saying during last week’s debate that he would cut public funding to the Public Broadcasting Service – even though he likes Big Bird.

But Sesame Workshop – the nonpartisan nonprofit behind Sesame Street – wasn’t pleased. In a statement, Sesame Workshop objected to the ad: “We have approved no campaign ads, and, as is our general practice, have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials.”

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ObamaPhone!!!! First Green Energy payoffs to Obama bundlers and donors, now the ObamaPhone scam. Maybe the SEIU should'nt have been paying idiots who unwittingly aired more Obama dirty laundry...

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/10/slim-pickings-worlds-richest-man-gets-richer-supplying-obamaphones-to-poor/]Slim Pickings: World’s Richest Man Gets Richer Supplying ‘Obamaphones’ to Poor | Fox News[/url]

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Excellent explanation of where the electoral college currently stands.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/find-out-how-obama-and-romney-can-win-the-electoral-vote/2012/10/10/ca1e01a2-1309-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_video.html]Election 2012: The path to 270 electoral votes - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;951218]ObamaPhone!!!! First Green Energy payoffs to Obama bundlers and donors, now the ObamaPhone scam. Maybe the SEIU should'nt have been paying idiots who unwittingly aired more Obama dirty laundry...

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/10/slim-pickings-worlds-richest-man-gets-richer-supplying-obamaphones-to-poor/]Slim Pickings: World’s Richest Man Gets Richer Supplying ‘Obamaphones’ to Poor | Fox News[/url][/quote]

You realize that this really gained traction under Bush, right? The idea has been around since the Reagan era. They have to make less than $15,000 a year to be eligible and they get a whopping HOUR worth of minutes a month. That's not a situation to be envious of -- add in the fact that these are funded by a non-profit entity under the FCC and does not use tax money at all.

[url=http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/]FactCheck.org : The Obama Phone?[/url]

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[quote=Daseal;951223]You realize that this really gained traction under Bush, right? The idea has been around since the Reagan era. They have to make less than $15,000 a year to be eligible and they get a whopping HOUR worth of minutes a month. That's not a situation to be envious of -- add in the fact that these are funded by a non-profit entity under the FCC and does not use tax money at all.

[URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/"]FactCheck.org : The Obama Phone?[/URL][/quote]

Your right but totally wrong:

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]While not technically a tax, the program is funded by mandatory fees tacked on to consumers' phone bills, then disbursed through the Federal Communications Commission and states.

Read more: [url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/10/carlos-slim-worlds-richest-man-gets-richer-supplying-obamaphones-to-poor/#ixzz28vjMY7xL]Carlos Slim, World’s Richest Man, Gets Richer Supplying ‘Obamaphones’ to Poor | Fox News[/url][/COLOR][/LEFT]

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Here is another link. A mandated fee is the same thing as a tax no matter what you call it. Its also a program where the fee is collected by the federal gov. TAX

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Last year, a federal program paid out $1.6 billion to cover free cell phones and the monthly bills of 12.5 million wireless accounts. The program, overseen by the FCC and intended to help low-income Americans, is popular for obvious reasons, with participation rising steeply since 2008, when the government paid $772 million for phones and monthly bills. But observers complain that the program suffers from poor oversight, in which phones go to people who don’t qualify, and hundreds of thousands of those who do qualify have more than one phone.


Read more: [url=http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/08/how-to-get-the-government-to-cover-your-cell-phone-bills/#ixzz28vjs213k]Federal Government Program Pays Out $1.6 Billion to Cover Free Cell Phones for Low-Income Americans | Moneyland | TIME.com[/url][/COLOR][/LEFT]




Read more: [URL="http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/08/how-to-get-the-government-to-cover-your-cell-phone-bills/#ixzz28vjs213k"]Federal Government Program Pays Out $1.6 Billion to Cover Free Cell Phones for Low-Income Americans | Moneyland | TIME.com[/URL]

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The toad out of the pond:

[YT]BlwAToAj7cE[/YT]

...common sense be gone!

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[quote=saden1;951231]The toad out of the pond:

[YT]BlwAToAj7cE[/YT]

...common sense be gone![/quote]

Actually what he was asking for is smart. Give small business a tax break so they will vote Rep. and extend unemployment (which only gives people longer to sit on their ass) which hurts Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;951241]Actually what he was asking for is smart. Give small business a tax break so they will vote Rep. and extend unemployment (which only gives people longer to sit on their ass) which hurts Obama.[/quote]


What he was asking for was 50% tax cut and 50% external stimulus spending including unemployment. Pretty much what was in the Obama stimulus.

I am glad you think what he was asking for is smart because I do too.

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[quote=firstdown;951230]Here is another link. A mandated fee is the same thing as a tax no matter what you call it. Its also a program where the fee is collected by the federal gov. TAX

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Last year, a federal program paid out $1.6 billion to cover free cell phones and the monthly bills of 12.5 million wireless accounts. The program, overseen by the FCC and intended to help low-income Americans, is popular for obvious reasons, with participation rising steeply since 2008, when the government paid $772 million for phones and monthly bills. But observers complain that the program suffers from poor oversight, in which phones go to people who don’t qualify, and hundreds of thousands of those who do qualify have more than one phone.


Read more: [url=http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/08/how-to-get-the-government-to-cover-your-cell-phone-bills/#ixzz28vjs213k]Federal Government Program Pays Out $1.6 Billion to Cover Free Cell Phones for Low-Income Americans | Moneyland | TIME.com[/url][/COLOR][/LEFT]




Read more: [URL="http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/08/how-to-get-the-government-to-cover-your-cell-phone-bills/#ixzz28vjs213k"]Federal Government Program Pays Out $1.6 Billion to Cover Free Cell Phones for Low-Income Americans | Moneyland | TIME.com[/URL][/quote]

See, this is when my liberalism stops. If you don't have a job, you don't need a fukcing cell phone. Full stop.

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[quote=12thMan;951246]See, this is when my liberalism stops. If you don't have a job, you don't need a fukcing cell phone. Full stop.[/quote]

Thank you. I thought the origanal plan was to give older people and the poor used free phones with free 911 service. Seems that simple idea became a 1.2 billion dollar buy their vote plan under obama. I just had to say that.

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[YT]Z2u0rHybwaE#![/YT]



:laughing2

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Lo.........excellent!!!

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20 minutes into the VP debate and...

I don't think Ryan is slam dunking this like people expected. Seems pretty balanced so far, maybe Biden with an edge.

Only been watching for 5 mins. but Biden is a smarmy ass.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;951508]Only been watching for 5 mins. but Biden is a smarmy ass.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure all politicians are slimey.

Yup ... and we both know which way we each lean. Even so, Biden is just coming across as an ass to me. Ryan has his own faults.

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Well, the debate was certainly closer this time. Being a fan of Ryan, I was put off by Biden's filibustering, and kinda mad when Biden was even interrupting and yelling at the moderator. I imagine people supporting Biden/Obama liked what Biden was doing theatrically. I still wish they'd mute each debater when his time is up.

I thought Ryan won on what substance he was able to get in. What a lot of the stimulus went for, the difference between a cut and a spending decrease, what's projected for Obamacare (or Romneycare for that matter), everybody knows you overcome the debt balance with growth... I thought Biden might have won people over on style, but that depends on what others think.

Obama spoke more minutes than Romney did, in their first debate. This debate was even more lopsided, lol.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;951511]Yup ... and we both know which way we each lean. Even so, Biden is just coming across as an ass to me. Ryan has his own faults.[/quote]

If you are too tempered you are weak and an ineffective debator and if you are too fiery you are an ass. I am of the opinion that politicians should speak freely without getting personal. That means call out the BS, the retardedness, and the flip flopping.

Ryan is full of shit and I mean that nicely.

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It is quite easy to be a fierce, fiery debater without being an ass.

There was ample shit shoveled by both sides tonight.

[QUOTE=saden1;951527]If you are too tempered you are weak and an ineffective debator and if you are too fiery you are an ass. I am of the opinion that politicians should speak freely without getting personal. That means call out the BS, the retardedness, and the flip flopping.

Ryan is full of shit and I mean that nicely.[/QUOTE]

Just posted this a bit earlier on fb. Dems are weak and pushovers but when they grow a pair and don't BS they are rude?

Huge hypocrisy.

I love it. Democrats need to take it to the opponent with a freaking sledgehammer. I'm sick of being pushed around by the far right. Durbin had it spot on: the only reason repubs are talking about bidens smiling or interrupting is because Ryan was destroyed in all other areas.

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Biden by a mile,Ryan had a few good shots but all in all Biden made him look like a newbe!