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V Davis on KC
"I don't see why he won't be signed, he's everything you want in a QB"

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Cousins openly talking to the media about his contract situation opens himself to any criticism from fans, including me. So stop defending a player crying about feeling slighted for making $20 million. Because bottom line, that's what he's bitching about. I don't want to hear this sh t anymore. He's got such a hard knock life.

So say that I'm reaching if you want but that's what's happening right now. I just don't want to hear rich people problems anymore.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Boohoo. God forbid if he gets hurt and his career is over. What would he do for the rest of his life? He ONLY made $20 million plus thus far. We probably should start collecting money in hat now just in case that happens.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

So just get as much money as you can but STFU already about it. I never want to hear this sh t ever.

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Kirk Cousins is the QB for the Redskins for the immediate future. There is zero doubt about it folks. So time to move on

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And especially the day after the stinker of a game with the Giants. Crying about how much he's worth. Please. You're going to get overpaid. Point blank.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161492]And especially the day after the stinker of a game with the Giants. Crying about how much he's worth. Please. You're going to get overpaid. Point blank.[/quote]

talk about crying, heh?

But seriously...and this is for everyone having second thoughts or straight up "hatting" on Cousins: What is our other option at QB? Hoyer? Cutler, Kaperneck? Terrible draft QB class folks...

Do we understand also that if that Cousins hit the free agent market that possibly up to 1/3 of the league would inquire and possibly offer Cousins a contract?

Also Cousins would be head & tails the free agent in the class...he would be on a tier by himself...seriously.
Top Free Agents:

1. Cousins
















2. Short DT Carolina
3. Eric Berry FS KC
4. Hands-Free JPP DE Vigiants

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1161493]talk about crying, heh?



But seriously...and this is for everyone having second thoughts or straight up "hatting" on Cousins: What is our other option at QB? Hoyer? Cutler, Kaperneck? Terrible draft QB class folks...



Do we understand also that if that Cousins hit the free agent market that possibly up to 1/3 of the league would inquire and possibly offer Cousins a contract?



Also Cousins would be head & tails the free agent in the class...he would be on a tier by himself...seriously.

Top Free Agents:



1. Cousins

































2. Short DT Carolina

3. Eric Berry FS KC

4. Hands-Free JPP DE Vigiants[/QUOTE]



So you're defending his bitching but you're calling out mine. Okay....Because he needs you to defend him because - again- life is so hard for him.

I didn't even read your other points. Did you read mine. I said - get paid - but I don't want to hear these complaints about getting paid anymore.

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It's like hearing about someone's life being hard because his Lamborghini's in the shop.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161494]So you're defending his bitching but you're calling out mine. Okay....Because he needs you to defend him because - again- life is so hard for him.

I didn't even read your other points. Did you read mine. I said - get paid - but I don't want to hear these complaints about getting paid anymore.[/quote]

Perhaps it's because you did it in three posts in a row. We get it. OK?

FWIW, I also have no sympathy for rich people who cry about not getting enough money. It's self-centered and, I think, unseemly.

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And there's all of these numerous posts of nonsense. I get it too.

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OK, let's forget about the posturing on both sides about a long-term deal for Kirk Cousins and try to look at this from a purely business perspective.

If media reports are to be believed, the Redskins would like to get Kirk's signature on a deal structured similarly to the ones signed by Colin Kaepernick and Andy Dalton. Supposedly, the annual salary amount is not a sticking point.

Both Kaep and Dalton are signed for five years and the thing that stands out among their contract terms is that they are both within the bottom three of all NFL QB's in the percentage of their total contract amounts that are guaranteed. Kaep's guarantee is $13M which is 11.4% of his total contract. Dalton is guaranteed $17M which is 17.7% of his total contract. Only Tyrod Taylor has a lower percentage of his total contract guaranteed at 10.6% which is $9M. Another thing that these three contracts have in common is that the guaranteed amount for each of these is approximately one year's worth of salary. That means that these players could be cut today and their teams would owe them next to nothing in salary. By comparison, a typical NFL QB guarantee is about 40% of the total contract amount.

Let's assume that the Redskins would like to sign Kirk to a five year contract at $20M per season, with a total contract amount of $100M. That salary may be fine with Kirk and his agent. But, if the Redskins want to guarantee him a percentage of that contract near the bottom of what his peers are receiving, Kirk's agent would have to be incompetent to let that happen. For example if the Redskins were, in their own minds, generous and offered him a 20% guarantee, then the total amount guaranteed would be $20M. Well, that just doesn't work for Kirk's side because he could receive $24M fully guaranteed just by refusing to sign a long-term deal and accepting the Franchise Tag in 2017.

If, as I suspect, the total amount guaranteed is the hang-up in negotiations, then the Redskins are probably going to need to offer a guarantee closer to 40% to get his signature on a long-term contract.

None of this is about greed on one side or cheapness on the other side. It is about business in the NFL.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161495]It's like hearing about someone's life being hard because his Lamborghini's in the shop.[/quote]

Well if its your only ride and you got be to work that day. I can see that being a problem.

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Who else we gonna get? AJ MCCARON?? No thank u

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Cousins is the Skins QB ..no doubt! However He needs to understand That he has not been done wrong by the Skins. he got paid 20 million dollars this year and will become one of the highest paid QB in the next 2 years. so what is his gripe?? That tone in his voice about not being respected ..give me a break. We have seen what happens when teams mortgage the future on a QB that does not pan out. I agree 100% on what the skins did with the tag last year. do you guys believe that next years offense will have the players that we had the last 2 years? we are going to lose D JAX and maybe more. We have to get a running game to take pressure off cousins..that means O line upgrades..maybe RB. Dak prescott without a running game would not be nearly as good. bottom line is this..

priorities #1 sign Cousins #2 Get much better on the D free agency & draft #3 find Running game ( Need O line upgrades and maybe scheme change) between draft & Free agency we could be looking at 10-12 new players .. A huge factor is Can Doctson be the stud WR , Can Cravens become a Solid DB, can Reed stay healthy , can Trent not get suspended again..a lot of ifs..

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I think if you look at the Flacco situation in B-more is where Scott is trying not to be with KC and us. We simply can't over pay for KC and expect to be anything but mediocre for the next 5 years.

The way the Skins offense is built we need a good QB at a good price. We don't need a superstar at a superstar price tag. I think KC is very good but not superstar. Put KC in say Philly his numbers would not be so hot.

What sucks is the laws of supply and demand come into play. the league probably has the right amount of superstar QBs, god knows plenty of bad QB's and very limited amount of middle of the road guys. So you end up paying superstar $$$ to the few middle road guys but by doing so it limits the amount of talent you can put around middle of the road QB and you ended up asking middle of the road guy to be a superstar; which generally ends in a fail.

Basically we are in a tough spot with KC.

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Listened to the audio vault w/ Cooley. He basically said that KC was playing scared because of his contract situation and it was his worst game since he became the starter.

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[quote=mredskins;1161516]I think if you look at the Flacco situation in B-more is where Scott is trying not to be with KC and us. We simply can't over pay for KC and expect to be anything but mediocre for the next 5 years.

The way the Skins offense is built we need a good QB at a good price. We don't need a superstar at a superstar price tag. I think KC is very good but not superstar. Put KC in say Philly his numbers would not be so hot.

What sucks is the laws of supply and demand come into play. the league probably has the right amount of superstar QBs, god knows plenty of bad QB's and very limited amount of middle of the road guys. So you end up paying superstar $$$ to the few middle road guys but by doing so it limits the amount of talent you can put around middle of the road QB and you ended up asking middle of the road guy to be a superstar; which generally ends in a fail. Basically we are in a tough spot with KC.[/quote]

I'm not really buying this. The cap is going up. If you pay your QB 20-23million a year with a 170 salary cap, how does that put a team in a tough spot?? I just don't see it that way.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1161526]Listened to the audio vault w/ Cooley. He basically said that KC was playing scared because of his contract situation and it was his worst game since he became the starter.[/QUOTE]



I was going to say the same exact thing but I obviously don't have enough credibility to be able to state that.

And that's why I asked- what's Cousins' priority?

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

And reading more into what Cooley said- I believe that I share his opinions in thinking that Cousins' contract took focus away from winning games and because of this - his priority was his contract over winning. Whether he was consciously doing it or not.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

... that's why immediately after the Green Bay game - the outburst. And after the Giants game, the focus was more about discussing HIS future and HIS contract. Didn't really catch him saying anything positive about the Redskins team. If he did, it got lost in all of HIS talk about the contract.

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*sigh*

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1161534]*sigh*[/QUOTE]


I'll see your sigh and raise you a face palm

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I find irony in the comments complaining about my complaints about Cousins' complaints. This is like some next level complaining- sort of like the next level dreaming in the movie Inception but it's next level bitching.

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... as a sports fan, it's one of my given pleasures.

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And further down the rabbit hole we go with your complaints about people complaining about your complaints about Cousins' complaints

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161539]And further down the rabbit hole we go with your complaints about people complaining about your complaints about Cousins' complaints[/QUOTE]



Weeeeeeee. That was fun.

How about another level?

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[quote=MTK;1161539]And further down the rabbit hole we go with your complaints about people complaining about your complaints about Cousins' complaints[/quote]

It's 1969 revisited. Don't Bogart that joint, Dude!

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1161543]It's 1969 revisited. Don't Bogart that joint, Dude![/QUOTE]



Man, I wish I knew what you were talking about. But I got nothing.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161537]I find irony in the comments complaining about my complaints about Cousins' complaints. This is like some next level complaining- sort of like the next level dreaming in the movie Inception but it's next level bitching.[/quote]

You're partially right, this is like some next level bitching, only it's you that's doing it. Everyone else is having a rational discourse, meanwhile you're covered in horse blood and guts and you're failing to realize there's nothing left to beat. We get it, you are unhappy with Kirk. Lifeprotip: If something upsets you, ignore it.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1161547]You're partially right, this is like some next level bitching, only it's you that's doing it. Everyone else is having a rational discourse, meanwhile you're covered in horse blood and guts and you're failing to realize there's nothing left to beat. We get it, you are unhappy with Kirk. Lifeprotip: If something upsets you, ignore it.[/QUOTE]



Oh my god. Can you just let me complain?!? Jesus! I mean isn't this meant to be a part of these forums. You and no one else is going to stop me unless they ban me. God dam Nazis.

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... and yeah that's the sole reason why we go on these forums- to have "rational discourse".

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Let's ban all complaints and rants...You'll ban at least half of these posts on this whole site.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161550]... and yeah that's the sole reason why we go on these forums- to have "rational discourse".[/quote]

Everyone likes to bitch every now and then, because it's cathartic and helps us cope. You on the other hand, have 17 fucking posts on this page alone (yeah bitch I counted) that I am confident is filled with nonstop bitching and moaning about Kirk and us for discussing his pending FA. Jesus fucking Christ man. Get a grip.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1161552]Everyone likes to bitch every now and then, because it's cathartic and helps us cope. You on the other hand, have 17 fucking posts on this page alone (yeah bitch I counted) that I am confident is filled with nonstop bitching and moaning about Kirk and us for discussing his pending FA. Jesus fucking Christ man. Get a grip.[/QUOTE]



F that. Every now and then. Please. You stop bitching then. It's my effing right! Mother F-cker

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And I don't give a f-ck. You attack me. I'm coming right back at you.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161553]F that. Every now and then. Please. You stop bitching then. It's my effing right! Mother F-cker[/quote]

Unlike you I know when to quit. Enjoy the rest of your time on these boards.

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So what about my number of posts? Isn't that better for this site. I swear

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[QUOTE=mooby;1161547]You're partially right, this is like some next level bitching, only it's you that's doing it. Everyone else is having a rational discourse, meanwhile you're covered in horse blood and guts and you're failing to realize there's nothing left to beat. We get it, you are unhappy with Kirk. Lifeprotip: If something upsets you, ignore it.[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=mooby;1161555]Unlike you I know when to quit. Enjoy the rest of your time on these boards.[/QUOTE]



Whatever. I provide more insight then you'll ever wish for to comprehend.