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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1216820]577: Number of days since Redskins president Bruce Allen answered questions at a news conference

31: Number of NFL teams whose front office heads have answered questions at a news conference in the past year, including 15 since the regular season endedhttps://wapo.st/2M4CQWS


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No one wanted Allen or Snyder doing press conferences. After the Kurt incident fans were saying he shouldn't give them, now that he isn't fans are saying that he isn't giving them.

I agree someone should, and the organization seems to have gone into shell shock, but fans will use the excuse of the day to attack, and it's kind of ridiculous.

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5superbowl - I understand you are angry with Redskins, we all are upset with the organization for many reasons. Although, there is no point in rehashing negative facts, statements, or opinions (or lack of) about Redskins. What you have been doing is like rubbing salt on our wounds on regular basis.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1216888]5superbowl - I understand you are angry with Redskins, we all are upset with the organization for many reasons. Although, there is no point in rehashing negative facts, statements, or opinions (or lack of) about Redskins. What you have been doing is like rubbing salt on our wounds on regular basis.[/QUOTE]



I’m only reporting or resharing on what I’m seeing in the press, quotes from respected Redskin reporters, and general consensus of Twitter posts from other Redskins fans.

Try telling the press, massive media outcry, Redskins talkshows, and fan base there’s no point in continuing this, and see if you stop anyone. People are angry and are going to continue protesting until we see change. Rightfully so


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[url]https://twitter.com/BurgundyBlog/status/1082726013992402944?s=20[/url]

This tweet was largely over looked by the Redskins media.

This is potentially a big deal and could be indicative of a bigger management problem. (It could just be blame shifting)

It adds credence to the gossip Gruden and Callahan was an arrangement forced by the FO.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1216889]I’m only reporting or resharing on what I’m seeing in the press, quotes from respected Redskin reporters, and general consensus of Twitter posts from other Redskins fans.

Try telling the press, massive media outcry, Redskins talkshows, and fan base there’s no point in continuing this, and see if you stop anyone. People are angry and are going to continue protesting until we see change. Rightfully so


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Very Well Said!

I personally have been a Redskins fan since 1981 when I was able 5 years old.

My passion for the Redskins was so strong that it has taken 20 years of Dan Snyder's ownership to almost completly erode my passion for the Redskins.

I have finally gotten to the point where I no longer care whether or not I miss the games or news about the team. And with the exception of the 'Star Players' such as AP, Alex Smith, Ryan Kargan, I couldn't name most of the players on the team.

It truly seems like Dan Snyder doesn't give a damm Sh! +[emoji90] what the fan think [emoji848] he is going to do what he wants to do, and he expects the fans to continue to buy the Redskins gear and attend the games.

The only way I see for things to change is for the fans to protest by not coming to the games and not buying any Redskins stuff.

Hitting Dan Snyder in the wallet is the only way to get through to him.

Talking to a friend of mine the other day, he said that if things keep going the way that they have been going, Washington might not have a team in a few years. My response was that the other NFL owners would force Dan Snyder to sell the team before that.

So if the Redskins fans protest with their Wallets, by refusing to spend money on the team Dan Snyder might be Forced to sell the team.

Removing Dan Snyder is the ONLY Way that I see things changing!

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[QUOTE=kct1975;1216897]Very Well Said!

I personally have been a Redskins fan since 1981 when I was able 5 years old.

My passion for the Redskins was so strong that it has taken 20 years of Dan Snyder's ownership to almost completly erode my passion for the Redskins.

I have finally gotten to the point where I no longer care whether or not I miss the games or news about the team. And with the exception of the 'Star Players' such as AP, Alex Smith, Ryan Kargan, I couldn't name most of the players on the team.

It truly seems like Dan Snyder doesn't give a damm Sh! +[emoji90] what the fan think [emoji848] he is going to do what he wants to do, and he expects the fans to continue to buy the Redskins gear and attend the games.

The only way I see for things to change is for the fans to protest by not coming to the games and not buying any Redskins stuff.

Hitting Dan Snyder in the wallet is the only way to get through to him.

Talking to a friend of mine the other day, he said that if things keep going the way that they have been going, Washington might not have a team in a few years. My response was that the other NFL owners would force Dan Snyder to sell the team before that.

So if the Redskins fans protest with their Wallets, by refusing to spend money on the team Dan Snyder might be Forced to sell the team.

Removing Dan Snyder is the ONLY Way that I see things changing!

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Amen! Agree completely!


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1216889]I’m only reporting or resharing on what I’m seeing in the press, quotes from respected Redskin reporters, and general consensus of Twitter posts from other Redskins fans.

Try telling [B]the press, massive media outcry, Redskins talkshows[/B], and fan base there’s no point in continuing this, and see if you stop anyone. People are angry and are going to continue protesting until we see change. Rightfully so


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They simply are doing their job, coming up with talking materials that keep people coming back to see what they are talking about. They are talking about the same things for the last few weeks, except they are trying to talk about it from every aspect. Have you noticed how "mysterious" sources keep coming up without providing solid evidence? If we stop paying attention, they will stop talking about it.

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I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that can be done to change the way Dan Snyder thinks and acts as owner of the Redskins. We have put ourselves in position to be abused by Snyder and his minions simply by thinking of ourselves as fans rather than as customers of the Redskins.

I'm not even sure what a fan is or why we act the way we do as fans and allow ourselves to accept such poor quality goods and services from the Redskins that we would not accept from the other businesses we patronize. From now on, I'm a customer first and a fan second and I demand good products and services on and off the field from my NFL team. I also demand to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone in that team's organization.

Realistically, I know I'm not going to get what I demand from Dan Snyder's Redskins. The whole truth is that I've already had enough with Snyder. I don't like the way he treats me and his other customers. So, as soon as I can get over being a lifelong Redskins fan, I'm going to to hold my nose and give the Ravens a try. My self respect as a consumer of the NFL football experience demands a better service provider. I just want to enjoy being a fan of decent NFL team and organization.

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This is just how bad it’s gotten...

Redskins one of three teams to never make NFC title game in last 20 years

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/13/redskins-teams-never-make-nfc-title-game-20-years/amp/[/url]


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Does it make anyone sick watching what McVay is doing, and we’re left with Gruden and this shit hole of a coaching staff and FO?

What could have been...


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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1216911]I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that can be done to change the way Dan Snyder thinks and acts as owner of the Redskins. We have put ourselves in position to be abused by Snyder and his minions simply by thinking of ourselves as fans rather than as customers of the Redskins.



I'm not even sure what a fan is or why we act the way we do as fans and allow ourselves to accept such poor quality goods and services from the Redskins that we would not accept from the other businesses we patronize. From now on, I'm a customer first and a fan second and I demand good products and services on and off the field from my NFL team. I also demand to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone in that team's organization.



Realistically, I know I'm not going to get what I demand from Dan Snyder's Redskins. The whole truth is that I've already had enough with Snyder. I don't like the way he treats me and his other customers. So, as soon as I can get over being a lifelong Redskins fan, I'm going to to hold my nose and give the Ravens a try. My self respect as a consumer of the NFL football experience demands a better service provider. I just want to enjoy being a fan of decent NFL team and organization.[/QUOTE]Totally Agree with everything you said!

For me, however, while I'd like to root for the Baltimore Ravens, since my wife's family and three of my friends are Steelers Fans, rooting for the Ravens most likely won't be possible. So most likely I will probably adopt the Pittsburgh Steelers.

For now, I am simply a Football [emoji458] Fan. Next season I simply will 'pull for' teams that I like (Steelers, Bears, Saints, Packers, Panthers, etc) and I will still 'pull for' the Redskins, but without any real Fan Passion.

I will always be keep my label [emoji434] of Redskins Fan, but I won't go out of my way to follow the team, and I won't spend any money [emoji385] on the Redskins, until Dan Snyder changes (unlikely) or sells the team.

I kind of equate my feelings about the Redskins to a wayward family member. You will always love them, but because they have become so self destructive, you finally decided to give up on them until they decide to make a drastic change in their lives and stop their self destructive behavior.

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[QUOTE=kct1975;1216930]Totally Agree with everything you said!

For me, however, while I'd like to root for the Baltimore Ravens, since my wife's family and three of my friends are Steelers Fans, rooting for the Ravens most likely won't be possible. So most likely I will probably adopt the Pittsburgh Steelers.

For now, I am simply a Football [emoji458] Fan. Next season I simply will 'pull for' teams that I like (Steelers, Bears, Saints, Packers, Panthers, etc) and I will still 'pull for' the Redskins, but without any real Fan Passion.

I will always be keep my label [emoji434] of Redskins Fan, but I won't go out of my way to follow the team, and I won't spend any money [emoji385] on the Redskins, until Dan Snyder changes (unlikely) or sells the team.

I kind of equate my feelings about the Redskins to a wayward family member. You will always love them, but because they have become so self destructive, you finally decided to give up on them until they decide to make a drastic change in their lives and stop their self destructive behavior.

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I started following football the year Dan Snyder purchased the team. I missed Gibbs, and the days of when this was a proud franchise. Losing is all I know.

Im born and raised in an area right in the middle of Eagles and Giants territory, and it’s a long story on why I chose to follow the Skins, but I’ve always had to deal with being surrounded by Eagles and Giants fans and everything that brings. I’ve watched them have success under Reid and Peterson some from nonstop winning seasons, to countless NFC East titles, to NFC crowns, two Super Bowl appearances and a title. I’ve watched the same with the Giants winning TWO titles, and various playoff runs.

It’s been extremely hard, but I never gave up. I always showed up, and supported my team until I was Blue in the face. I’ve spent countless dollars and hours on a franchise I love so much. I’ve been the brunt of jokes and teasing at the Redskins expense.

I’ve reached the point of being enraged, and close to giving up. Apathy will set in soon, and I’m starting to show those signs. Meanwhile, most of my friends are hosting Eagles playoff game parties, again, another season. While our team is sitting at home, again, another season.

This organization has been a last place, losing, pathetic, bottom feeding, embarrassment for 20+ years now. I wish I was around when Gibbs and George Allen coached.

And you people wonder why I post the way I do......



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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1216933]I started following football the year Dan Snyder purchased the team. I missed Gibbs, and the days of when this was a proud franchise. Losing is all I know.

Im born and raised in an area right in the middle of Eagles and Giants territory, and it’s a long story on why I chose to follow the Skins, but I’ve always had to deal with being surrounded by Eagles and Giants fans and everything that brings. I’ve watched them have success under Reid and Peterson some from nonstop winning seasons, to countless NFC East titles, to NFC crowns, two Super Bowl appearances and a title. I’ve watched the same with the Giants winning TWO titles, and various playoff runs.

It’s been extremely hard, but I never gave up. I always showed up, and supported my team until I was Blue in the face. I’ve spent countless dollars and hours on a franchise I love so much. I’ve been the brunt of jokes and teasing at the Redskins expense.

I’ve reached the point of being enraged, and close to giving up. Apathy will set in soon, and I’m starting to show those signs. Meanwhile, most of my friends are hosting Eagles playoff game parties, again, another season. While our team is sitting at home, again, another season.

This organization has been a last place, losing, pathetic, bottom feeding, embarrassment for 20+ years now. I wish I was around when Gibbs and George Allen coached.

And you people wonder why I post the way I do......



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Same time frame for me bro. Although I do remember the Sb game when I was 6. Seriously that was y I chose the skins. I'm from the New Orleans area, I just couldn't root for the Aints or Cowboys growing up. Been a fan my whole life but it's starting to get less and less by the years.

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[url]https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2019/1/13/18181084/rams-offense-knew-what-the-cowboys-defensive-line-was-going-to-do-over-90-of-the-time[/url]

This is next level stuff.

Cooley was calling out the Cowboys hand signals last year.

Jay and crew don't instill enough discipline of where the eligibles should line up much less something like this.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1216933]I started following football the year Dan Snyder purchased the team. I missed Gibbs, and the days of when this was a proud franchise. Losing is all I know.

Im born and raised in an area right in the middle of Eagles and Giants territory, and it’s a long story on why I chose to follow the Skins, but I’ve always had to deal with being surrounded by Eagles and Giants fans and everything that brings. I’ve watched them have success under Reid and Peterson some from nonstop winning seasons, to countless NFC East titles, to NFC crowns, two Super Bowl appearances and a title. I’ve watched the same with the Giants winning TWO titles, and various playoff runs.

It’s been extremely hard, but I never gave up. I always showed up, and supported my team until I was Blue in the face. I’ve spent countless dollars and hours on a franchise I love so much. I’ve been the brunt of jokes and teasing at the Redskins expense.

I’ve reached the point of being enraged, and close to giving up. Apathy will set in soon, and I’m starting to show those signs. Meanwhile, most of my friends are hosting Eagles playoff game parties, again, another season. While our team is sitting at home, again, another season.

This organization has been a last place, losing, pathetic, bottom feeding, embarrassment for 20+ years now. I wish I was around when Gibbs and George Allen coached.

And you people wonder why I post the way I do......



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE][QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1216934]Same time frame for me bro. Although I do remember the Sb game when I was 6. Seriously that was y I chose the skins. I'm from the New Orleans area, I just couldn't root for the Aints or Cowboys growing up. Been a fan my whole life but it's starting to get less and less by the years.

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On behalf of all Redskins fans over 30 years of age, I like to say that we are sorry that you all never got to see the Glory Years of Joe Gibbs 1.0 and the 3 Super Bowl Wins.

My only consolation is that there is some glimmer of hope for you all since this isn't the first time in the Redskins history that the franchise has gone through a long period of time losing.

My father who is 82 years old lived through the last time the Redskins were really bad in the '60's, then he has been able to live long enough to see the Gibbs Era.

I am in my mid-40's and unless Dan Snyder is forced to sell the team or forced to give up control of the team, I don't know if I personally will live long enough to see the Redskins be successful again.

My sincere hope for you younger fans is that either Dan Snyder is forced out, or you live long enough to out live the Dan Snyder ownership.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1216936][url]https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2019/1/13/18181084/rams-offense-knew-what-the-cowboys-defensive-line-was-going-to-do-over-90-of-the-time[/url]

This is next level stuff.

Cooley was calling out the Cowboys hand signals last year.

Jay and crew don't instill enough discipline of where the eligibles should line up much less something like this.

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That's called adjusting....Gruden does a poor job of that.....

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Redskins: Front office silence speaks volumes about team’s dysfunction


[url]https://riggosrag.com/2019/01/13/redskins-front-office-silence-speaks-volumes/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]


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[quote=kct1975;1216930]Totally Agree with everything you said!

For me, however, while I'd like to root for the Baltimore Ravens, since my wife's family and three of my friends are Steelers Fans, rooting for the Ravens most likely won't be possible. So most likely I will probably adopt the Pittsburgh Steelers.

For now, I am simply a Football [emoji458] Fan. Next season I simply will 'pull for' teams that I like (Steelers, Bears, Saints, Packers, Panthers, etc) and I will still 'pull for' the Redskins, but without any real Fan Passion.

I will always be keep my label [emoji434] of Redskins Fan, but I won't go out of my way to follow the team, and I won't spend any money [emoji385] on the Redskins, until Dan Snyder changes (unlikely) or sells the team.

I kind of equate my feelings about the Redskins to a wayward family member. You will always love them, but because they have become so self destructive, you finally decided to give up on them until they decide to make a drastic change in their lives and stop their self destructive behavior.

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This planet doesn't need 1 more Steelers fan. They are the most non-cowboy hopped on wagon of my life time. Fuck the Steelers.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1216955]Redskins: Front office silence speaks volumes about team’s dysfunction


[url]https://riggosrag.com/2019/01/13/redskins-front-office-silence-speaks-volumes/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]


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"What Dan Snyder fails to understand is that the empty stadium at FedEx Field in 2018 was not a product of 2018. The lackluster television ratings are not because of the way that Brian Lafemina sold tickets. It is about the toxic culture that has taken over the franchise for so many years. That culture in the front office is directly reflected in the below average teams that have taken the field for the last 25 years."

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1216965]"What Dan Snyder fails to understand is that the empty stadium at FedEx Field in 2018 was not a product of 2018. The lackluster television ratings are not because of the way that Brian Lafemina sold tickets. It is about the toxic culture that has taken over the franchise for so many years. That culture in the front office is directly reflected in the below average teams that have taken the field for the last 25 years."[/QUOTE]COMPLETELY AGREE [emoji106]

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Redskins looking at Joe Woods

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/riggosrag.com/2019/01/14/report-broncos-dc-joe-woods-to-interview-with-redskins-for-unspecified-position/amp/[/url]


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1216997]Redskins looking at Joe Woods

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/riggosrag.com/2019/01/14/report-broncos-dc-joe-woods-to-interview-with-redskins-for-unspecified-position/amp/[/url]


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dumb move

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Who is Joe Woods?

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Same site says they're trying to schedule 11th hour meeting with Greg Williams to be the DC. Link is at bottom of above article. Based on Tweet from JP Finlay.

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Hopefully we get him


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I don't understand what they're doing. They're interviewing people to replace Manusky but he hasn't been fired yet. Huh? That seems like a pretty shitty thing to do. Just fire the guy if you're not happy with him. The way these guys do business is terrible. No wonder people don't want to come and work here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1217011]I don't understand what they're doing. They're interviewing people to replace Manusky but he hasn't been fired yet. Huh? That seems like a pretty shitty thing to do. Just fire the guy if you're not happy with him. The ways these guys do business it terrible. No wonder people don't want to come and work here.[/quote]

I don't really care about that. Manusky is under contract. He's getting paid either way. Had he done a better job and the defense hadn't collapsed during the second half of the season, they wouldn't be looking to replace him. He's certainly not going to be a hot name to be anyone else's DC.

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It’s just classless to be interviewing candidates when there’s not even an open position. Par for the course though.


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[quote=MTK;1217018][B]It’s just classless to be interviewing candidates when there’s not even an open position[/B]. Par for the course though.


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This. If it's true, yet another reason showing that nothing has changed. At least treat people with respect, even if you don't respect the job they did.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1217018]It’s just classless to be interviewing candidates when there’s not even an open position. Par for the course though.


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Is it classless to work talk to free agent quarterbacks when you already have ones on your roster, or should you cut your existing quarterbacks first?

This is fairly common in the corporate world. You generally don’t fire a sr executive unless you have a replacement lined up. If the skins had fired manusky and then failed to secure all the top DC candidates, they’d be getting ripped for cutting manusky before they knew they could get someone better. I’m definitely not an apologist for this team, but i don’t see this as classless in of itself. Now, if we find out jay has told manusky he’s coming back but is doing this behind his back, that would be another story, but we don’t know what conversations they’ve had.

For all we know, jays been up front with manusky and he’ll stay as defensive coordinator and is considering hiring Williams as “assistant head coach - defense” or something like that. This is the redskins, so anything is on the table lol.




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[quote=MTK;1217018]It’s just classless to be interviewing candidates when there’s not even an open position. Par for the course though.


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Your not familiar with “winning off the field” strategy?

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“I want to be buried in a burgundy-and-gold coffin,” Cooke said in 1992. “And when I’m gone, someone named Cooke is going to run this team. And when he’s gone, someone else named Cooke is going to run this team.”--Jack Kent Cooke #redskins #HTTR


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1217024]ghtiesJunkie
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“I want to be buried in a burgundy-and-gold coffin,” Cooke said in 1992. “And when I’m gone, someone named Cooke is going to run this team. And when he’s gone, someone else named Cooke is going to run this team.”--Jack Kent Cooke #redskins #HTTR


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Too Bad that isn't what actually happened! [emoji19]

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1217024]ghtiesJunkie
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“I want to be buried in a burgundy-and-gold coffin,” Cooke said in 1992. “And when I’m gone, someone named Cooke is going to run this team. And when he’s gone, someone else named Cooke is going to run this team.”--Jack Kent Cooke #redskins #HTTR


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As we know he fucked that up big time



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The Skins are basically dipping into some strange while they decide if they really want to divorce Manusky


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Regarding Gregg Williams.

When asked: "Should he, and will he get the job?"

Per JP Finlay, on the Redskins talk podcast:

"I think he's going to get [the job]. I think it's happening. I've had a few conversations" #Redskins


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217044]George Carmi
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Regarding Gregg Williams.

When asked: "Should he, and will he get the job?"

Per JP Finlay, on the Redskins talk podcast:

"I think he's going to get [the job]. I think it's happening. I've had a few conversations" #Redskins


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Get it done and resign Tomsula. Figure out if Joe Woods will replace T Gray.

I would consider it a win

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217044]George Carmi
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Regarding Gregg Williams.

When asked: "Should he, and will he get the job?"

Per JP Finlay, on the Redskins talk podcast:

"I think he's going to get [the job]. I think it's happening. I've had a few conversations" #Redskins

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Earlier in the podcast, JP also said he thought Williams could be just leveraging the skins to get more money from the Jets.

He did say that Snyder and Williams patched things up years ago. Evidently Snyder did a lot of to help out when Williams' father was declining.

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Williams would be a great hire. I wanted him as HC but I'll settle for DC. He would bring some serious attitude and direction to the D.