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[quote=punch it in;1291945]But it is exactly what the biggest nut bag trump supporters are clinging too. And you cozy right up to them. Get out while you can. Before the rapture![/quote]

Absolutely no one clings to it. Pu-lease

In term of Middle East country who oppose Israel right to exist, let me know when you want to sit down with the Koran and talk about what they “cling too.” The way they they govern and treat their own citizens in many of their country is the model I guess.

Also before I abide to SDskins of peace on Friday…let me leave a final thought:

Also, we all know the horsemen whipping Haitian was fake news…but now the photographer confirms it was never any whipping or whips

[url]https://www.ktsm.com/local/el-paso-news/photographer-behind-controversial-photos-speaks-exclusively-to-ktsm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

Thanks…peace, love & harmony…

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1291960]Absolutely no one clings to it. Pu-lease

In term of Middle East country who oppose Israel right to exist, let me know when you want to sit down with the Koran and talk about what they “cling too.” The way they they govern and treat their own citizens in many of their country is the model I guess.

Also before I abide to SDskins of peace on Friday…let me leave a final thought:

Also, we all know the horsemen whipping Haitian was fake news…but now the photographer confirms it was never any whipping or whips

[url]https://www.ktsm.com/local/el-paso-news/photographer-behind-controversial-photos-speaks-exclusively-to-ktsm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

Thanks…peace, love & harmony…[/QUOTE]


Israel is run by fuckin wing nuts, and yes Q-anon (huge trump base) cling to the end of times bullshit. Cant have peace love and harmony with wingnuts and conspiracy theorists in the world. And your guy embraces them because they kiss his ring. You cannot be part of the solution if you are part of the problem. [emoji3577]

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[quote=SunnySide;1291928]

Short version -- Evangelicals think that once Israel is a true Israel therocracy and the Old Temple is re-built it will bring the rapture in which Christians will go to heaven and anyone, Jews or Mussims etc who dont convert will die.

Strange bunch man but thats why hardcore Christians want a strong Israel = end times prophecy stuff.[/quote]

Man it's getting too hard to keep track of all the various nutjobs threatening our state of democracy.

At this point I'm pro-apocalypse. Burn the planet down and whoever's left can start over.

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[quote=punch it in;1291966]Israel is run by fuckin wing nuts, and yes Q-anon (huge trump base) cling to the end of times bullshit. Cant have peace love and harmony with wingnuts and conspiracy theorists in the world. [B]And your guy embraces them because they kiss his ring.[/B] You cannot be part of the solution if you are part of the problem. [emoji3577][/quote]

It's pretty simple Punch, if everybody on planet earth just kneels down and kisses the ring - we'll all be alright. And someday if we're lucky we will be [URL="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/1/18/Leader_hand.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/420?cb=20161124193653"]blessed with a wave[/URL] from The Leader.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1291971]It's pretty simple Punch, if everybody on planet earth just kneels down and kisses the ring - we'll all be alright. And someday if we're lucky we will be [URL="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/1/18/Leader_hand.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/420?cb=20161124193653"]blessed with a wave[/URL] from The Leader.[/QUOTE]


Lol

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M[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAijZcVUcAkSpq_?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=punch it in;1291966]Israel is run by fuckin wing nuts, and yes Q-anon (huge trump base) cling to the end of times bullshit. Cant have peace love and harmony with wingnuts and conspiracy theorists in the world. And your guy embraces them because they kiss his ring. You cannot be part of the solution if you are part of the problem. [emoji3577][/quote]

Bingo! Johnny tell the man what he has won!

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Not gonna lie: Biden's C'mon man is growing on me. It's the swiss army knife of responses. It can be used for any question you don't like. And also Tom Jackson is great. Haven't seen him in a while. He's the opposite of Chris Berman.

Miss you Tom.

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So I was reading in a few different forums that people are attacking/blaming (strongly too) Sinema and Manchin for the delay in getting the infrastructure bill approved and I was wondering where this board's posters stand on this take?

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1293820]So I was reading in a few different forums that people are attacking/blaming (strongly too) Sinema and Manchin for the delay in getting the infrastructure bill approved and I was wondering where this board's posters stand on this take?[/QUOTE]


Well Manchin is up against a red base. Sinema is not. So I mainly blame her.

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This is no longer an infrastructure bill. It's a 3.5 trillion dollar spending bill with a 1.5 trillion dollar infrastructure bill attached to it.

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[quote=nonniey;1293820]So I was reading in a few different forums that people are attacking/blaming (strongly too) Sinema and Manchin for the delay in getting the infrastructure bill approved and I was wondering where this board's posters stand on this take?[/quote]

I havent read up on any details in a few months when we broke the deal down. Seems like its half hard transportation and half "green deal".

After the covid relief bills, Im not sure 3.5T is digestible.

I dont believe the "it will pay for itself" thing but find it funny Rs are harping on that now when they knowingly went along w the lie Trumps tax bill would pay for itself and not mostly benefit the uber rich and corporations.

Manchin is doing what his voters voted for him to do. I like Manchin. Seems to be "old school" in terms of decorum and respect for statesmanship. Something lost on both sides. Rs have broken and abolished more of the unwritten traditions that fostered bi-partisanship than Ds though.

Sinema - dont know much about her but seems she is not following her platform that got her elected and her voters could rightfully be mad there.

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Id hope a 1.5T to 2T bill can be done.

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Shit is about to get real with energy prices. If you heat your house with Natural gas it’s gonna be ugly this winter. Crude Oil just touched highest price since 2014.

Not good

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1293827]This is no longer an infrastructure bill. It's a 3.5 trillion dollar spending bill with a 1.5 trillion dollar infrastructure bill attached to it.[/quote]

Yup and I'm not comfortable with it, putting way too much debt on up coming generations. Dems (Bernie's guys) better wake up or they will screw themselves and the Republicans' will just sit by and watch it happen.

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[quote=Chico23231;1293839]Shit is about to get real with energy prices. If you heat your house with Natural gas it’s gonna be ugly this winter. Crude Oil just touched highest price since 2014.

Not good[/quote]

LOL, where in the hell have you been the last ten years?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1293842]LOL, where in the hell have you been the last ten years?[/QUOTE]


Shh leave Chico alone while he tries to make Biden look like he is undoing all of Trumps hard work. Lol.

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Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:

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I am good with the bill. We can't keep kicking the climate change can down the road to future generations both that and infrastructure will get Americans back to work. The way I see both climate change and infrastructure is economist tell us how expensive it is to repair and don't do it next thing you know. Five decades go by and the cost is ten times as high.

I am not a fan on Manchin he has zero problems adding thousands to welfare so his family can gain millions just not a decent human being.

Sinema I feel is going to switch parties next election.

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[quote=punch it in;1293921]Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:[/quote]

Dude, you hold both chambers and the presidency.

Blame the gop? You have no leg to stand on with this claim, it’s simply bullshit

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[quote=punch it in;1293917]Shh leave Chico alone while he tries to make Biden look like he is undoing all of Trumps hard work. Lol.[/quote]

Inflation and Biden’s energy policy decisions equal higher prices. Sorry

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1293929]Dude, you hold both chambers and the presidency.

Blame the gop? You have no leg to stand on with this claim, it’s simply bullshit[/QUOTE]


Ill try and explain in the simplest of terms. The progressive wing of the democratic party wants other bills passed before they get on board. The GOP will not even consider it because they are suddenly fiscally responsible again. They were not when they stamped Trumps tax breaks for the rich. The only bullshit here is that you are pretending not to understand the bigger picture. Which you usually don’t when it involves Trump in a negative light. In this case wasting our money on his rich bitch friends so that he can do a victory conga line at mara lago with them all.

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Mitch McConnell might be the most passive aggressive lying bitch in the universe. I cannot even take his stupid voice anymore. How fuckin long is he going to live? Probably 125.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1293931]Inflation and Biden’s energy policy decisions equal higher prices. Sorry[/QUOTE]


Inflation is supply n demand right now. Supply and demand is because of the pandemic.

Energy policy decisions on the left are based on a world being around for future generations. Minor details. [emoji849]

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[quote=punch it in;1293944]Ill try and explain in the simplest of terms. The progressive wing of the democratic party wants other bills passed before they get on board. The GOP will not even consider it because they are suddenly fiscally responsible again. They were not when they stamped Trumps tax breaks for the rich. The only bullshit here is that you are pretending not to understand the bigger picture. Which you usually don’t when it involves Trump in a negative light. In this case wasting our money on his rich bitch friends so that he can do a victory conga line at mara lago with them all.[/quote]

Tax breaks for the rich…the raising the SALT Tax to pre Trump limits? Bro, you know the SALT tax repeal that only Democrats are pushing would be the actually largest tax break for the wealthy that directly hits there personal tax return.
Read up:
[url]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/10/02/how-dems-can-get-out-of-the-salt-mess-and-save-1-trillion-dollars/[/url]

Ninety-six percent of the benefit would flow to the top 20 percent of the income distribution with the top 0.1 percent getting a tax cut of $154,000 per year, on average. To be fair, the middle class does get something. The middle 60 percent of the income distribution would receive, on average, a tax cut of $37 per year. Even in high-tax states, the middle class gets little. In New York, the top 1 percent would get a tax cut of about $103,000, on average. For those in the middle class, the benefit is just $90, on average. So repealing the cap is regressive and delivers little to no social benefit.

Also, raising the tobacco, vape, etc. taxes directly hits the poor.

You guys all are full of shit. It’s a socialist plan period which tax benefits the wealthy especially in high tax blue states.

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[quote=punch it in;1293950]Mitch McConnell might be the most passive aggressive lying bitch in the universe. I cannot even take his stupid voice anymore. How fuckin long is he going to live? Probably 125.[/quote]

Some turtles 🐢 really do live for a long ass time.

[url]https://a-z-animals.com/blog/how-old-is-the-worlds-oldest-turtle-5-turtles-that-survived-for-centuries/[/url]

"According to the Turtle Conservation Society, most turtle species live from 10 to 80 years. But sea turtles and large land tortoises can live to be much older. Their lifespan can be 150 years or more."

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[quote=Chico23231;1293956]

Also, raising the tobacco, vape, etc. taxes directly hits the poor.

You guys all are full of shit. [B]It’s a socialist plan period which tax benefits the wealthy especially in high tax blue states[/B].[/quote]

Agreed, taxes on things like alcohol, tobacco hit the poor more.

If suspending or raising the SALT cap would benefit wealthy especially in blue states ... are you willing to concede that Trumps tax plan which started this SALT mess was designed to target blue states.

Trump was such a partisan POS. President to half the country, vindictive petty asshole to the rest.

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Democratic-leaning blue states tend to be wealthier and pay more to the Federal Government than they get. In contrast, Republican-leaning red states tend to have less wealth and receive more Federal Government funds than they pay. In the MoneyGeek rankings, nine of the 10 most dependent states are considered red states.

"Higher-income states produce the majority of the tax dollars that go into the Federal Government's pocket," Fallon says. Because of the higher income, states and their residents need less support and use fewer federal dollars.

Fallon noted that recent tax code changes have made wealthy states' contributions more pronounced.

"Before, people who paid large state income taxes would deduct those from their federal tax payments," she says. Now, state tax deductions are capped. "Ironically, it means the wealthier states' populations are paying even more."

[url]https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/#red-vs-blue[/url]


Chico youre right .. it is fucking socialism. Tax code written to attack blue states to prop up red states even more.

red states .. get your shit together you commie bastards.

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Blue states have an option around the salt tax discussion…blue states could easily and simply lower tax rates. It’s unfair to everyone regardless of tax brackets

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1293961]some turtles [emoji217] really do live for a long ass time.

[url]https://a-z-animals.com/blog/how-old-is-the-worlds-oldest-turtle-5-turtles-that-survived-for-centuries/[/url]

"according to the turtle conservation society, most turtle species live from 10 to 80 years. But sea turtles and large land tortoises can live to be much older. Their lifespan can be 150 years or more."[/quote]


lol.

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I don’t even know where to put this. It is probably Trumps fault though. It ultimately boils down to hate
And lies and the ratings it generates and we all know who the king of hate and lies is.

[url]https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-instagram-down-thousands-users-downdetectorcom-2021-10-04/[/url]

People must be losing their minds. How do i know what everyone is having for dinner? And I haven’t seen a picture of the baby in four hours?

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[quote=Chico23231;1293969]Blue states have an option around the salt tax discussion…[B]blue states could easily and simply lower tax rates. [/B]It’s unfair to everyone regardless of tax brackets[/quote]

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/uKjKZFAvCoMAAAAM/laughing-laugh.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=Chico23231;1293839]Shit is about to get real with energy prices. If you heat your house with Natural gas it’s gonna be ugly this winter. Crude Oil just touched highest price since 2014.

Not good[/quote]

Most of our natural gas comes from horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing anyways so crude oil won't impact it's price. Of course prices will go up because corps will make us pay more just because but they don't have too.

Being tied to corporate whims is one of the reasons I decided to eliminate natural gas heat all together and switch to a wood burning stove. Now I just wait for a tree to fall slice, dice and split and I am set for the winter.

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[quote=punch it in;1293824]Well Manchin is up against a red base. Sinema is not. So I mainly blame her.[/quote]


So that is what I don't get - how can you blame her or Manchin? Sinema, Manchin and a bipartisan group of Senators developed and passed the infrastructure bill in the Senate. It's the progressive's that won't pass it in the House unless/until the the trillions that were taken out in the compromise are passed in a separate bill by the Senate.

Essentially they are holding the 1.2T infrastructure bill hostage until they get what they want. And you blame Sinema, for holding up her own bill?

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[quote=punch it in;1293921]Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:[/quote]

Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a [B]bipartisan[/B] bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1293999]Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a [B]bipartisan[/B] bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.[/QUOTE]


Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.

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[quote=punch it in;1294003]Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.[/quote]

You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1293989]Most of our natural gas comes from horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing anyways so crude oil won't impact it's price. Of course prices will go up because corps will make us pay more just because but they don't have too.

Being tied to corporate whims is one of the reasons I decided to eliminate natural gas heat all together and switch to a wood burning stove. Now I just wait for a tree to fall slice, dice and split and I am set for the winter.[/quote]

Man I wish I had a wood fireplace, I replaced with propane logs. Nothing is better

I think one thing to remember with energy is for the first time since 1953 during the last administration, the US became a net exporter of energy. That’s bigly

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/24/us-becomes-a-net-energy-exporter-in-2020-energy-dept-says.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1294015]You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?[/QUOTE]


You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.

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[quote=Chico23231;1293969]Blue states have an option around the salt tax discussion…[B]blue states could easily and simply lower tax rates[/B]. It’s unfair to everyone regardless of tax brackets[/quote]

States that voted for Democrat Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election have, on average, better high school and college graduation rates than states that supported Republican Mitt Romney, according to U.S. Census data.

Red states fall 1.5 percentage points below the national average for high school completion rate (84.2% vs. 85.7%), and 3.3 percentage points below the national average for college degree attainment (25.1% vs. 28.4%).

Blue states, in comparison, perform slightly above the national averages—by 0.8 and 2 percentage points, respectively.

[url]https://time.com/101697/blue-states-barack-obama-won-in-2012-are-more-educated-than-red-states/[/url]

Few factors bear as heavily on the well-being of any state’s citizens as their overall quality of health. In evaluating the Best States for health care, access to preventive medical and dental treatment for children and adults alike is a key consideration.

Hawaii is the top state for health care. It’s followed by Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and California to round out the top five.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care[/url]

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if Maryland had the school system and health care of Alabama or Mississippi .. I wouldnt live in Maryland.

Maryland is ranked as the 4th best public school state in the Country and Howard County is ranked the 1st county in Maryland.

I have a major hospital 5 miles from my house. I have John Hopkins 20 miles from my house.

I have a 6 figure job and am surrounded by job opportunities in the 6 figure range. My house increased over 100k in value over the past few years.

We pay more in State and local taxes but live in a better state of health wealth and social services.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1293975][IMG]https://c.tenor.com/uKjKZFAvCoMAAAAM/laughing-laugh.gif[/IMG][/quote]

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apologies

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