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It doesn't matter what we think. The rule is once you lose control you have to re gain control all the way to the ground. It's like a catch. Griffin didn't do that. He was clearly juggling the ball. I think it's ridiculous but the game day ref explained it out clearly.

Anyway, no excuse to have a meltdown before you go into the lockeroom. Then not score a single point in the 2nd half. That ain't the 86 Giants defense. Also is there anyone on that sorry ass defense that can get a sack besides Kerrigan?

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[quote=Mattyk;1099858]I don't even agree that he lost control. The ball shifted around but he kept both hands on it and by the time he crossed the plane he had full control. BS rule.[/quote]

The fact that the ball shifted around means he didn't have control and when seen in slow motion it was pretty clear he didn't have control.

I agree its a BS rule but there are a lot of BS rules in the NFL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099860]It doesn't matter what we think. The rule is once you lose control you have to re gain control all the way to the ground. It's like a catch. Griffin didn't do that. He was clearly juggling the ball. I think it's ridiculous but the game day ref explained it out clearly.

Anyway, no excuse to have a meltdown before you go into the lockeroom. Then not score a single point in the 2nd half. That ain't the 86 Giants defense. Also is there anyone on that sorry ass defense that can get a sack besides Kerrigan?[/quote]But Griffin had control when he crossed the goal line.

[URL="http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/14/santana-moss-ejected-after-jeff-triplette-reverses-rg3-touchdown-to-fumble-to-end-half/"]LINK[/URL]

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[quote=irish;1099861]The fact that the ball shifted around means he didn't have control and when seen in slow motion it was pretty clear he didn't have control.

I agree its a BS rule but there are a lot of BS rules in the NFL.[/quote]

Seriously, bs rule all the way. But they explained once you lose control of the ball BEFORE you cross the goalline, it's treated as a catch. He lost control of the ball once he hit the ground. The refs got it right on that one. No one on the Redskins knew what the actual real rule was.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099862]But Griffin had control when he crossed the goal line.

[URL="http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/14/santana-moss-ejected-after-jeff-triplette-reverses-rg3-touchdown-to-fumble-to-end-half/"]LINK[/URL][/quote]

But he lost control again before he hit the ground and that's why it isn't a TD. It doesn't make sense but unfortunately that's the rule.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099860]It doesn't matter what we think. The rule is once you lose control you have to re gain control all the way to the ground. It's like a catch. Griffin didn't do that. He was clearly juggling the ball. I think it's ridiculous but the game day ref explained it out clearly.

[B]Anyway, no excuse to have a meltdown before you go into the lockeroom. [/B]Then not score a single point in the 2nd half. That ain't the 86 Giants defense. Also is there anyone on that sorry ass defense that can get a sack besides Kerrigan?[/quote]

Yup, that's the point. Bad calls happen all the time in the NFL. Players have to have their acts together enough so that they don't get thrown out of the game.

Moss and Garcon practically handed the Giants both a tying field goal and a handcuff on our offense throughout the second half. There is no excuse for this.

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[quote=Mattyk;1099858]I don't even agree that he lost control. The ball shifted around but he kept both hands on it and by the time he crossed the plane he had full control. BS rule.[/quote]

Why are people saying its like a catch? He wasnt a receiver and the ball wasnt thrown.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099862]But Griffin had control when he crossed the goal line.

[URL="http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/14/santana-moss-ejected-after-jeff-triplette-reverses-rg3-touchdown-to-fumble-to-end-half/"]LINK[/URL][/quote]

Based on the link you provided it looks like the right call to me.

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[quote=irish;1099864]But he lost control again before he hit the ground and that's why it isn't a TD. It doesn't make sense but unfortunately that's the rule.[/quote]

When did this garbage rule change? Is this a recent Goodell rule? In the past, this was a TD. Strahan said when he played, this was a touchdown all day long...?

This fucker Goodell is ruining the game in multiple ways

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[quote=irish;1099864]But he lost control again before he hit the ground and that's why it isn't a TD. It doesn't make sense but unfortunately that's the rule.[/quote]

He lost control the second time as he hit the ground so it wasnt because he lost control before he hit the ground. The way Triplett explained it was that since he lost control of the ball prior to crossing the goal line, in order to "regain possession", he had to follow the control through the ground part of the rules (which I personally thought only applied to receiving a pass and not a fumble but I guess not). Since he lost possession again as he hit the ground, it then basically reverts back to a fumble. In which case, RG3 was out of bounds the second time he regained possession which is the possession that gets ruled on.

Seems like a damn stupid rule, but if it is actually a rule, not much can be said.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1099867]Based on the link you provided it looks like the right call to me.[/quote]No bobble when he crossed the goal line. Watch the replay on the link above, all the way through.

edit: and you can just click on the 2nd video down to pause it, click again to continue. Griffin had two hands on the ball and didn't bobble as the ball crossed the goal line.

[URL="http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/14/santana-moss-ejected-after-jeff-triplette-reverses-rg3-touchdown-to-fumble-to-end-half/"]LINK[/URL]

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I did and I would've said he had no control. The ball is still moving

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1099875]I did and I would've said he had no control. The ball is still moving[/quote]Pulling the ball back towards your body is "no control"?

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[quote=Skinzman;1099871]He lost control the second time as he hit the ground so it wasnt because he lost control before he hit the ground. The way Triplett explained it was that since he lost control of the ball prior to crossing the goal line, in order to "regain possession", he had to follow the control through the ground part of the rules (which I personally thought only applied to receiving a pass and not a fumble but I guess not). Since he lost possession again as he hit the ground, it then basically reverts back to a fumble. In which case, RG3 was out of bounds the second time he regained possession which is the possession that gets ruled on.

Seems like a damn stupid rule, but if it is actually a rule, not much can be said.[/quote]Griffin regained control before he crossed the goal line, and kept control till he hit the ground. I can post screenshots online on my home PC. Just play the second video from the top on the link above, when they replay RG3's run, click to pause and continue right before the ball crossed the goal line, then watch all the way through.

Refs botched this one badly.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099878]Pulling the ball back towards your body is "no control"?[/quote]

Looked to me like he was out of bounds by that point.
The only way I could validate this touchdown is to say that he had possession in bounds for 1/3 of a second.
And thats not enough.....I sure as hell would not have awarded six points to the opponent had it been them.