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[quote=MTK;1217049]Williams would be a great hire. I wanted him as HC but I'll settle for DC. He would bring some serious attitude and direction to the D.[/quote]

He may decide this offer is more attractive than the Jets because if Jay gets fired during (or after) next season, he could leverage that into a HC job.

I'm honestly a bit surprised the Browns didn't try to keep Williams and Kitchens. Perhaps keep Kitchens as OC and Williams as HC. I understand keeping kitchens on the team was a priority, but he went from running backs coach to OC in one year... I doubt many other teams would have been after him as a HC, but I could be wrong.

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agreed.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217050]He may decide this offer is more attractive than the Jets because if Jay gets fired during (or after) next season, he could leverage that into a HC job.

[B]I'm honestly a bit surprised the Browns didn't try to keep Williams and Kitchens. [/B] Perhaps keep Kitchens as OC and Williams as HC. I understand keeping kitchens on the team was a priority, but he went from running backs coach to OC in one year... I doubt many other teams would have been after him as a HC, but I could be wrong.[/quote]

you surprised the browns made a mistake? interesting

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217050]He may decide this offer is more attractive than the Jets because if Jay gets fired during (or after) next season, he could leverage that into a HC job.

I'm honestly a bit surprised the Browns didn't try to keep Williams and Kitchens. Perhaps keep Kitchens as OC and Williams as HC. I understand keeping kitchens on the team was a priority, but he went from running backs coach to OC in one year... I doubt many other teams would have been after him as a HC, but I could be wrong.[/quote]

Gregg came in and right away changed the culture in CLE, look at how hard they played when he was HC. I understand the mindset of keeping Kitchens for Baker's POV, so that is what it boiled down to.

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Would love to see Double-G back as our DC. He'd probably be the best coordinator we've had since he himself left.

Sign him back and let him bring whoever he wants on that side of the ball.

You think we'd have defensive players calling him out after a loss?

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Even though GW was willing to be the good solider and stay on as DC generally speaking I don't think teams like to keep a guy who was passed over for the HC job just to avoid any potential drama with the locker room.

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Idk if I were Gregg W. I'd have a lifetime grudge against the Skins.

"I got passed over for Jim fucking Zorn? Holy fuck thank god I left that shitshow."

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Jets hiring GW as defensive coordinator. Damn.

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The other Greg must be so thrilled.....

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The 2019 Redskins. "We tried to get better, but nobody wanted to be here."

The 2019 Redskins fans. "We don't want to be there, either."

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[quote=Schneed10;1217076]The 2019 Redskins. "We tried to get better, but nobody wanted to be here."

The 2019 Redskins fans. "We don't want to be there, either."[/quote]

Yep. F that F/O

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This entire offseason has been and will continue to be a classless failure with no improvements made to the FO or coaching staff.




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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217077]Yep. F that F/O[/quote]


I will go along with this too. its the shitshow of a lifetime fuck this entire
front office...

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[quote=Schneed10;1217076]The 2019 Redskins. "We tried to get better, but nobody wanted to be here."

The 2019 Redskins fans. "We don't want to be there, either."[/quote]

Things look gloomy now but you know how it goes. A splashy free agent here or there, Guice looking good in training camp, and all of a sudden our hopes are sky high again.

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[quote=MTK;1217090]Things look gloomy now but you know how it goes. A splashy free agent here or there, Guice looking good in training camp, and all of a sudden our hopes are sky high again.[/quote]

Go get Will Grier and I'll start to hope again, other than that BLAH BLAH

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Well played, Gregg Williams. Well played.

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Well that's a shame, but didn't really expect him to sign here.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1217086]This entire offseason has been and will continue to be a classless failure with no improvements made to the FO or coaching staff.




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To paraphrase you "Dan Synder has been and will continue to be a classless failure with no improvements"

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Joe Woods signing with San Fran. Haha. Literally NO ONE wants to come here


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1217105]Joe Woods signing with San Fran. Haha. Literally NO ONE wants to come here


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Do you blame them?

It has finally gotten to the point where nobody wants to take Dan Snyder money [emoji385] to come to the Redskins and it will be the same way with the players too.

If next year becomes the $h!+[emoji90] Show that we all think it will be, then I can can almost guarantee you if Jay Gruden gets fired at the end of the season, nobody is going to want to be the Redskins Head Coach.
Dan Snyder is going to have such a difficult time finding a coach that he will have to hire either a High School Football Coach or maybe even a Pop Warner League Coach.

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It is the Bruce Allen plague. Until he is gone ............

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1217107]It is the Bruce Allen plague. Until he is gone ............[/QUOTE]

Getting Rid of Bruce Allen might be a small part of the solution to giving some life back to the Redskins organization, but to save the Redskins organization must be rid of Dan Snyder.

Redskins Front Office actually kind of reminds me of the characters from the 1987 movie The Lost Boys...

The Redskins Front Office is a gang of Vampires

Bruce Allen is David the Lead Vampire (Kiefer Southerland)

Dan Synder is Max the Dark Over Lord Vampire (Ed Herrmann)

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Wow, this is a terrible job even compared to just our history, no other teams included.

Dan Snyder, go fuck yourself you piece of shit. I fucking hate you as a human being. You suck. Turned a great franchise into the laughing stock of professional sports. FUCK YOU!!

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Going to bring back Allen, Gruden, and Manusky.

Just checked my fridge, my koolaid jug is bone dry.

Not looking forward to 2019 at all.

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The only thing I’m excited about this off season is the draft. I have mixed emotions about it. But we have done fairly well the last couple years with our early picks. Even though the 19 season will be a wash the draft can atleast (hopefully) be a bright spot for the future.

Also in my naiveness I’m still holding out a little hope that Dumb A$$ Dan has some kinda big picture plan for the future that were just not seeing yet.

One can dream atleast

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We all want change. We all want a culture change. The status quo just flat out hasn't been working, injuries or not. I do not have faith in Manuaky as a DC, at all. I have a tad more faith in Jay, if he gets help with playcalling and the offense in general. The biggest, and i mean BIGGEST concern here, is that the coaches have lost the locker room. And that's been apparent. We can sit here and say hey we almost had a chance if Alex didn't go down etc etc etc .... But if the guys don't wanna play here and don't respect the coaches, we're fucked. We're in a shitty situation, also apparent. But if the coaches (if they're all still here) through the off-season / mini camp / training camp can win back the players? We might just be mediocre again, instead of a dumpster fire. The only thing I can personally do now is just avoid giving this shit show too much more of my head space and emotion. Fuck the owner and management, I hope the coaches and players right the ship inspite of those fucking clowns. Maybe a good off-season can bring some cohesion and we'll see a team that gives a shit, maybe not. But here's to hoping.

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I've been digesting all that happened, or rather didn't happen, the last couple of weeks.

And, while I've pretty much lost any hope and excitement for next season itself, I'm beginning to think it may very well be for the best [I][U]on the long run[/U][/I].

Sounds crazy, I know, but hear me out.

[I][U]I want change[/U][/I]. Allen has made some shitty decisions, Jay is not a good leader, Manusky lost a talented defensive locker room... [I][U]We won't win with these guys[/U][/I].

But, as many said, we need a whole culture change, this organisation has become toxic, [I][U]no talented coach wants to come here right now[/U][/I].

From a [I][U]timing standpoint[/U][/I], we're not in position to clean house now. Which good HC would want to come here now, with the [I][U]QB/cap situation[/U][/I] that we're in ? Which good DC would want to come here now, knowing Jay is probably gone next year or the year after that?

Whereas if you wait one season, you'll be in a [I][U]much better QB/cap situation[/U][/I] (either Alex is healthy and playing well, either you cut him post June 1st 2020, taking a 16M cap hit over 3 years and saving 56M over 3 years, [I][U]net saving of 40M[/U][/I]), and most importantly [I][U]it sends a message that Dan Snyder is not going to fire everybody after 2 seasons anymore[/U][/I].

If we have a [I][U]good offseason this year[/U][/I], then next year, a good HC can think "Heck, [I][U]Jay Gruden was allowed 6 seasons[/U][/I], he didn't win a lot, but [I][U]they gave him a chance[/U][/I]. [I][U]I think I can do better than him with this roster[/U][/I], this defense is young and talented, they've drafted well the past few years, building from the trenches, they have a young stud at RB... I think if I'm given a fair opportunity I could bring this team to the next level."

Next season is going to be [I][U]deflating and frustrating[/U][/I], but [B]I still think on the long run it's not as bad as it feels right now.[/B]

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We will all eventually desperately cling to the notion that we were 6-3 until we got ravaged by injury. And Derrius Guice.

You're never as far away as you think.

But still, this whole offseason does show how inept the front office is. Quality coaches need a reason to come coach for you. If your HC is going into his make or break year, then you as the assistant can't count on being there longer than a year.

The notion that a front office can shape together a coaching staff is asinine. The reporting structure demands that the HC pick his staff, or the organization will dysfunction. If you don't like the assistant coaches that Jay has selected, then fire Jay. It should be his responsibility to pick the assistants, not the front office's.

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Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217119]Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...

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Until he’s not. And then we’ll go after Rex Ryan...

Redskins interviewing for defensive coordinators is basically this:
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSALQn0u9z4[/url]

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[QUOTE=Coff;1217121]Until he’s not. And then we’ll go after Rex Ryan...



Redskins interviewing for defensive coordinators is basically this:

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSALQn0u9z4[/url][/QUOTE]Very a Aprapoe!

The Redskins Front Office has gotten so bad that Hollywood could make a comedy horror move out of it!

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217119]Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...


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A terrible mistake imo. Id keep Manusky over marvin lewis.

At this point, we should keep who we got in place and extend Tomsula. Go into the year with same guys...see if we can make some noise and if not, fire everyone next year. Set up the Org with brand new coaches and hopefully FO.

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[quote=Chico23231;1217123]A terrible mistake imo. Id keep Manusky over marvin lewis.

At this point, we should keep who we got in place and extend Tomsula. Go into the year with same guys...see if we can make some noise and if not, fire everyone next year. Set up the Org with brand new coaches and hopefully FO.[/quote]

I agree, that's the point I was trying to make in my previous post: don't try to patch-fix it now, see what you can do with what you have and see if next year the situation is more appropriate for a real house cleaning.

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[quote=kct1975;1217122]Very a [B]Aprapoe[/B]!

The Redskins Front Office has gotten so bad that Hollywood could make a comedy horror move out of it!

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The video was quite funny... But I have to admit this word gave me a good laugh too.

Not at your expense, but I had to google it up to make sure, and it's a common misspelling of "Apropos", from french "À propos", which can mean "speaking of which" or "right on point", depending on context.
Again, not mocking anybody in particular but it sounds (and in this instance looks) so funny when french words are used in english... Aprapoe sounds like a Native American first name, doesn't it?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1217124]I agree, that's the point I was trying to make in my previous post: don't try to patch-fix it now, see what you can do with what you have and see if next year the situation is more appropriate for a real house cleaning.[/quote]

I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.

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[quote=Chico23231;1217127]I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.[/quote]


This as I previously just stated. I want change bad af from these two, especially manusky and def a playcalling OC.

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The best thing right now is for this team to win 2-3 games next year. That way everyone will get fired. I'm just not sure there would be anyone capable that could pick the next coach. They'd only pick someone that could get along, like a Gruden or Zorn type.

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From a 2011 article by Kevin Cowherd:

"It was former Orioles GM Syd Thrift who famously observed of all the talented free agents who spurned the club more than a decade ago: 'It's like we're offering Confederate money.'"

[I]I've long thought that Dan Snyder is a lot like Peter Angelos in the way he ineptly runs his organization oblivious to the perceptions of the outside world. Now, he has finally sunk to the same level as Angelos where good people won't even accept big money to work for him.[/I]

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[quote=Chico23231;1217127]I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.[/quote]


Can't remember exactly where I saw the breakdown (I think Pro Football Focus) but statistically, establishing the run isn't as important as many of us are convinced it is and in many cases the tunnel vision focus to do so hinders the offense as a whole. You want to keep defenses unsure of where the ball is going but you can do so with short passes, bubble screens etc. I like the attitude that comes with hard nosed football but statistically, average yards are what matters, not how you get them.

John Defilippo has been ineffective everywhere he's been other than Philly and I think that had more to do with Frank Reich. Manusky? I don't know.. at times I think he's better than he gets credit for and other times I think he's awful. My biggest gripe on both sides of the ball are the lack of preparation and in-game adjustments. Fix those two things and find an identity and culture and I think this ship gets righted fast.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1217134][B]Can't remember exactly where I saw the breakdown (I think Pro Football Focus) but statistically, establishing the run isn't as important as many of us are convinced it is and in many cases the tunnel vision focus to do so hinders the offense as a whole. You want to keep defenses unsure of where the ball is going but you can do so with short passes, bubble screens etc. I like the attitude that comes with hard nosed football but statistically, average yards are what matters, not how you get them. [/B]

John Defilippo has been ineffective everywhere he's been other than Philly and I think that had more to do with Frank Reich. Manusky? I don't know.. at times I think he's better than he gets credit for and other times I think he's awful. My biggest gripe on both sides of the ball are the lack of preparation and in-game adjustments. Fix those two things and find an identity and culture and I think this ship gets righted fast.[/quote]

Yeah interesting enough I haven't argued against an innovative offense which keeps defense unbalanced and guessing. And a lot successful offenses that do this, have playermakers on teams that can execute it...Rams, KC, Saints.

With our team, running the ball should be the foundation to work towards becoming a more balance team.