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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1228616]If it was a drug test issue, then none of this would have been an issue. The league would have announced the suspension and no one would be offering anything.

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Got it.. I thought that when he returns to team this year he would have to take physical and possible test... I don’t believe he has attended any official team event since last season .. not sure how it all works . I hope he returns and it all ends well.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1228621]That's probably my problem; I don't get the same kind of news you guys do so I'm going by what's been published. :|

I would agree that if he hasn't followed any process at all then this does sound like he's trying to get out of his contract/Washington.[/QUOTE]The problem with this whole story is and always has been the why? By all accounts he and Bruce Allen were on good terms, he and Bruce Allen had worked together through other problems and he was the team leader of the team so what in this off season changed?

I have come to wonder if it is related to the CBA that is coming up. if he wants to make sure that his financial accounts are in order before the lockout or if he's trying to set a precedent for other players when they are encouraged to honor a strike or not cross a picket line.
Otherwise the whole medical staff issue just doesn't make a lot of sense.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1228630]The problem with this whole story is and always has been the why? By all accounts he and Bruce Allen were on good terms, he and Bruce Allen had worked together through other problems and he was the team leader of the team so what in this off season changed?

I have come to wonder if it is related to the CBA that is coming up. if he wants to make sure that his financial accounts are in order before the lockout or if he's trying to set a precedent for other players when they are encouraged to honor a strike or not cross a picket line.
Otherwise the whole medical staff issue just doesn't make a lot of sense.

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And the timing of this. I’m guessing Trent’s issue was present long before draft day. He could have come out with it, and given the team time to adjust draft plans, and possibly make LT a priority earlier in FA.

Instead he waited until FA had dried up, the draft was over, and we were hours before training camp and team activities. The optics on this look like he purposely put the team in a bad spot.

If these statements are correct, it shows that he’s selfish and clearly doesn’t give a shit about his TEAM. All signs point to him not handling this with class.

If Washington has done ANYTHING wrong or questionable, you can bet the Players Association or NFL would have filed a case.

The draft will be full of LTs next year...




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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1228628]Got it.. I thought that when he returns to team this year he would have to take physical and possible test... I don’t believe he has attended any official team event since last season .. not sure how it all works . I hope he returns and it all ends well.[/QUOTE]I don't know the ins and outs of the league policy but I am fairly sure all the teams abide by the same standards so forcing a trade would not solve any issue that might be drug policy related. Also if it was to avoid a possible positive test result and he hasn't been able to clean himself up ny now he has more serious issues then anyone has reported.

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Ppl in this thread are making good points. My question is this: is this really just about TW wanting to be on another team?



From the Redskins perspective is this just: if he won’t play for us he won’t play anywhere?


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What I don’t get is how there appears to be no clarity on why we are where we are. Perhaps the team has no clue which means Williams isn’t sharing. Or he is and the issue is bad for the Skins and everyone is keeping mum. But not knowing why is making everyone guess, sheds no light on when we can expect it to end or how, and otherwise perpetuates the situation. None of which is good for anyone. Including we the fans.

Very frustrating.


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[QUOTE=calia;1229250]What I don’t get is how there appears to be no clarity on why we are where we are. Perhaps the team has no clue which means Williams isn’t sharing. Or he is and the issue is bad for the Skins and everyone is keeping mum. But not knowing why is making everyone guess, sheds no light on when we can expect it to end or how, and otherwise perpetuates the situation. None of which is good for anyone. Including we the fans.

Very frustrating.


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No matter what was written last week about TW possibly coming back, I somehow have this suspicion that this will not be settled this year. There is something big underfoot that is hidden by either TW or BA or both. If it was small, why hasn’t it been settled either with money or a trade? Are the Redskins willing to lose their best player to make a point?

I wonder if TW told BA, “I want to be traded”. BA replied, “Play your contract”. Its like watching two teenagers play chicken with their Dad’s cars. The ending isn’t going to be pretty.


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Got a gut feeling that there will be news on this tomorrow. If TW is going to come back, he'll want to be involved in the Wednesday practice when they traditionally insert the game plan for this weeks game.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229402]Got a gut feeling that there will be news on this tomorrow. If TW is going to come back, he'll want to be involved in the Wednesday practice when they traditionally insert the game plan for this weeks game.[/quote]

Why not next Tuesday? Or the Tuesday after that? Or the Tuesday after that? Realistically, TW can do this for 8 weeks if he wants. Unless he's dying for cash, at this point, he'd be smart to wait until we finish the brutal opening 5 weeks.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1229417]Why not next Tuesday? Or the Tuesday after that? Or the Tuesday after that? Realistically, TW can do this for 8 weeks if he wants. Unless he's dying for cash, at this point, he'd be smart to wait until we finish the brutal opening 5 weeks.[/QUOTE]



Or he’s waiting until Penn sucks or gets injured. Then his leverage goes sky high


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1229417]Why not next Tuesday? Or the Tuesday after that? Or the Tuesday after that? Realistically, TW can do this for 8 weeks if he wants. Unless he's dying for cash, at this point, he'd be smart to wait until we finish the brutal opening 5 weeks.[/quote]

Because of three reasons:
1. Leaving money on the table he cannot get back
2. Piling up fines for no-show (can be forgiven, depending on organization)
3. To your point, he cannot stay away for 8 weeks. He can, however, stay away as long as he does not miss 6 games. At that point he forfeits an accrued season. At that point, he might as well stay home and watch Sundays like the rest of us.

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TW must either be holding out for a trade or a new contract. That’s all I can figure out. My guess is that BA told him to play his contract.

If Penn gets hurt or the left OL collapses then this gives TW huge leverage.

If the team starts winning without TW or as the six game limit approaches then the Redskins gain some ground.

Somehow I think that BA will blow this . Worst case: no trade, no TW this year.


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........just a thought but what if, .......he really does not want to play for the Skins anymore?

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[quote=Giantone;1229496]........just a thought but what if, .......he really does not want to play for the Skins anymore?[/quote]

Then there will be a game of chicken....the Redskins will do nothing and Trent will see how long he can go without a paycheck

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show up or stay your ass home.

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Trent who? Screw him. IMO he's a quitter.

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I thought he wasn't going to be ready for the regular season due to recovery from the head growths anyway. Maybe he can't comfortably wear a helmet yet...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1229506]I thought he wasn't going to be ready for the regular season due to recovery from the head growths anyway. Maybe he can't comfortably wear a helmet yet...[/quote]

Maybe he should call AB :)

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Line held up in pass pro pretty damn well on Sunday, against likely a damn good defense. Outside of Moses. I don't understand holding in the NFL anymore.

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I think we have enough talent to beat the Cowboys if we play well. But I have absolutely zero faith in Gruden or Manusky to win big games. Last week just further validated this.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1229503]Trent who? Screw him. IMO he's a quitter.[/QUOTE]



I agree. But let’s trade his azz for a first round pick that can help our future. Unfortunately, BA is such a lousy GM that he is probably incapable of wrangling such a decent deal for TW.


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[quote=Warthog;1229545]I agree. But let’s trade his azz for a first round pick that can help our future. Unfortunately, BA is such a lousy GM that he is probably incapable of wrangling such a decent deal for TW.


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I guess we should find a lousy GM to give us a first for Trent. I doubt it though. Not unless someone is panicked.

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Where is Trent? Everybody was saying he coming in...welp, it’s time

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[quote=Chico23231;1229566]Where is Trent? Everybody was saying he coming in...welp, it’s time[/quote]

I'm surprise his mouthpiece, Jason LaCanfora, hasn't come out with some damning story about Trent, given that Penn did a decent job filling in.

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Speaking of Penn he deserves some props and Flowers too. Everyone was convinced the left side was going to get destroyed and they held up pretty well.

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[quote=MTK;1229573]Speaking of Penn he deserves some props and Flowers too. Everyone was convinced the left side was going to get destroyed and they held up pretty well.[/quote]

I was shocked...props to flowers and penn...really the entire Oline sans the TMZ correspondent Morgan Moses. He needs to seriously get his shit together this week

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[quote=Warthog;1229545]I agree. But let’s trade his azz for a first round pick that can help our future. Unfortunately, BA is such a lousy GM that he is probably incapable of wrangling such a decent deal for TW.


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It would be a miracle if they could get a 3rd round pick for TW. He's old and injury prone.

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[quote=MTK;1229573]Speaking of Penn he deserves some props and Flowers too. Everyone was convinced the left side was going to get destroyed and they held up pretty well.[/quote]

And against a top d-line. I don't know why the team had Flowers play LT early in training camp. He could have used that extra time to get acclimated to the guard position.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1229573]Speaking of Penn he deserves some props and Flowers too. Everyone was convinced the left side was going to get destroyed and they held up pretty well.[/QUOTE]



I gave my props and graveling in another thread. Still worried if Flowers gets hurt but they were both good.


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More from D Hall per Kevin Sheehan...apparently the 2 sides (TW and Skins) aren't talking but Hall said if the Skins would reach and try to communicate and bring him back, this would probably be over a lot sooner.

Ive said all along...Bruce, Dan and the front office should be at the minimum having some sort of communication with their best player trying to get over this hurdle. A lil childish by Trent, but damn, today athletes expect it.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1229738]More from D Hall per Kevin Sheehan...apparently the 2 sides (TW and Skins) aren't talking but Hall said if the Skins would reach and try to communicate and bring him back, this would probably be over a lot sooner.



Ive said all along...Bruce, Dan and the front office should be at the minimum having some sort of communication with their best player trying to get over this hurdle. A lil childish by Trent, but damn, today athletes expect it.[/QUOTE]



So dumb, either show up to work or don’t, what a baby


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[quote=MTK;1229746]So dumb, either show up to work or don’t, what a baby


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Agreed. Also, all teams that were dealing with hold out either got something worked out (Elliott, Julio, Clowney, etc., etc.) or stopped talking altogether once the season started (see Chargers). Redskins shouldn't be any different.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1229747]Agreed. Also, all teams that were dealing with hold out either got something worked out (Elliott, Julio, Clowney, etc., etc.) or stopped talking altogether once the season started (see Chargers). Redskins shouldn't be any different.[/quote]

Yeah, but if the Redskins want to change the team's [I]losing culture[/I], then perhaps thinking outside the box is in order. It sounds like TW is acting like a baby and BA is playing the hard azz. Whether Penn and Flowers continue to play well I doubt whether they as good as TW in there. I'd rather have Penn as a BACKUP, then Christian and a backup.

Make a deal or get a trade.

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Trent looks like he's ready to come back...

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Looks focused 🤦

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Trent looks like he's ready to come back...[/quote]

I hate to sound like an old moron, but what does [B]OTK[/B] mean? Is that Redskins One in the background?

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[quote=Warthog;1229772]I hate to sound like an old moron, but what does [B]OTK[/B] mean? Is that Redskins One in the background?[/quote]
OTG: On The Go

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Trent looks like he's ready to come back...[/quote]

All that money so he flaunt it with his homies and act like a pimp. Fucking grow up and get your ass to work like everyone else and quit using excuses about doctors and bullshit. Fuck Trent!!

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1229788]All that money so he flaunt it with his homies and act like a pimp. Fucking grow up and get your ass to work like everyone else and quit using excuses about doctors and bullshit. Fuck Trent!![/QUOTE]



How does posing with your friends and a nice car make him a pimp?

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[quote=punch it in;1229791]How does posing with your friends and a nice car make him a pimp?[/quote]

Who gives us shit!!