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[quote=SunnySide;1294033]States that voted for Democrat Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election have, on average, better high school and college graduation rates than states that supported Republican Mitt Romney, according to U.S. Census data.

Red states fall 1.5 percentage points below the national average for high school completion rate (84.2% vs. 85.7%), and 3.3 percentage points below the national average for college degree attainment (25.1% vs. 28.4%).

Blue states, in comparison, perform slightly above the national averages—by 0.8 and 2 percentage points, respectively.

[url]https://time.com/101697/blue-states-barack-obama-won-in-2012-are-more-educated-than-red-states/[/url]

Few factors bear as heavily on the well-being of any state’s citizens as their overall quality of health. In evaluating the Best States for health care, access to preventive medical and dental treatment for children and adults alike is a key consideration.

Hawaii is the top state for health care. It’s followed by Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and California to round out the top five.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care[/url]

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if Maryland had the school system and health care of Alabama or Mississippi .. I wouldnt live in Maryland.

Maryland is ranked as the 4th best public school state in the Country and Howard County is ranked the 1st county in Maryland.

I have a major hospital 5 miles from my house. I have John Hopkins 20 miles from my house.

I have a 6 figure job and am surrounded by job opportunities in the 6 figure range. My house increased over 100k in value over the past few years.

We pay more in State and local taxes but live in a better state of health wealth and social services.[/quote]

Exactly, choice is what this country is all about. Kinda like laws in some states seem to offend someone 800 miles away. Like why would they care and get emotionally involved?

But this post doesn’t address why support a federal package would give massive tax break to most affluent and then construct a false narrative stating we are taxing the rich?

Well I support high taxes because I can afford it, isn’t really a defense. I imagine in can find folks who can’t. Representative government also doesn’t matter if you think you or Maryland is better than someone in Alabama or Alabama itself. Folks love both states and chose to live there for different reasons. Shit, Alabama has a song about calling it home. Never heard the Maryland one.

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[quote=punch it in;1294032]You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.[/quote]

You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?

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[quote=SunnySide;1294035]edit - bad energy reply

apologies[/quote]

Damnit, I didn't wake up early enough.

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This hold up on the infrastructure deal is a perfect example of the bullshit in D.C. Always trying to sneak in other stuff into a bill that has nothing to do with what the bill is actually for. Then if someone doesn't vote for it, they hate America.

This is even worse, a group of the left won't pass one bill altogether, because they want a completely different, way more expensive bill passed first. That's just wrong.

I'm sorry, blaming the right or Sinema/Manchin for the infrastructure bill not being passed, is not arguing in good faith imo.

Pass the damn infrastructure bill. It would be a huge piece of bipartisan legislation and a win for Biden. Then after the bill is passed, try to work on the other one. Then you can pile on McConnell, republicans, Manchin, Sinema, all you want about why they won't pass that bill.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1294041]You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?[/QUOTE]


Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.

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Trumps tax breaks and reckless spending is why we need to raise the damn debt ceiling. He would have bankrupt the damn country in four more years like he did with his own money countless times. Gotta pay your debt , but the man was a self proclaimed “lover of debt”. Cus it isn’t his money. Come on man. This is such hypocrisy from the right it is grotesque.

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[quote=punch it in;1294049]Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.[/quote]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA8GfECXMAwZRIe?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

From the Washington Post today. Schumer could raise it without any GOP help

Why doesn’t he?

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[quote=punch it in;1294051]Trumps tax breaks and reckless spending is why we need to raise the damn debt ceiling. He would have bankrupt the damn country in four more years like he did with his own money countless times. Gotta pay your debt , but the man was a self proclaimed “lover of debt”. Cus it isn’t his money. Come on man. This is such hypocrisy from the right it is grotesque.[/quote]

Lol…lol…lol…trumps fault. Of course…lol…lol

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[quote=punch it in;1294049]Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.[/quote]

The Republicans are either liars or cowards when it comes to the national debt.

Either liars and don't give a shit about it and will keep raising it, while only pretending to make an issue of it when they aren't in charge.

Or pathetic fucking cowards that won't stand up and fight and say we can't keep raising the debt and in-fact need to reduce it. And it would be a fight, because this would mean government would actually have to budget, reduce spending, etc.

Not really sure which one is worse. The party has failed America.

Our national debt is $28.43 trillion. That is 28,430,000,000,000. It's so many zeroes I had to Google how to even put it in actual number form.

It's almost like it's so big most people just don't bother caring about it, like it's no big deal. This should be a big fucking deal to every American, no matter how you vote.

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[quote=Chico23231;1294053]Lol…lol…lol…trumps fault. Of course…lol…lol[/quote]

Trump did spend way too much money. This is why I finally decided to re-register. I was hoping someone with a business side would be better. In hindsight, Mr. Bankruptcy was never going to reduce the debt. I don't recall Trump or republicans every talking about a budget or the debt while he was president, well before COVID was ever a thing.

Of course Biden is going to spend even more, Obama spent tons, Bush Jr. spent tons, etc. It's easy spending other people's money. Hell, even Reagan greatly expanded the national debt.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1294052][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA8GfECXMAwZRIe?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

From the Washington Post today. Schumer could raise it without any GOP help

Why doesn’t he?[/QUOTE]


Really? Read your own article. Or my previous post. Because you and the rest of the right will turn around and call them reckless- it would be political suicide. This is an instance where there needs to be bipartisanship. Like there was when Trump kept doing it. The crazy thing is he is the reason we need to do it now. And suddenly Mitch is hiding in the bushes. I know you see what is going on here Chico.

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Listen to SD if not me Chico. He is actually being real about this issue. U, as a Trumper, will just default to “oh sure blame Trump” as if he has nothing to do with the position we are in. You’re killing me and im way too busy to play this game with you right now. As usual Trump gets us into a jam and you and Mitch cheer for him, now Biden has to fix it and u and Mitch are hiding in the bushes playing amnesia games.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1294057]Trump did spend way too much money. This is why I finally decided to re-register. I was hoping someone with a business side would be better. In hindsight, Mr. Bankruptcy was never going to reduce the debt. I don't recall Trump or republicans every talking about a budget or the debt while he was president, well before COVID was ever a thing.

Of course Biden is going to spend even more, Obama spent tons, Bush Jr. spent tons, etc. It's easy spending other people's money. Hell, even Reagan greatly expanded the national debt.[/QUOTE]


Agreed with all of this BUT it has always been somewhat of a joint effort. Trump on the other hand will take zero responsibility and since he is holding the GOP hostage and his cult is incapable of placing fault with him it becomes a partisan and political knot. That to me is what is so frustrating. I could live with the old school back n forth while everyone was doing the same thing. I cannot live with the deep rooted hypocrisy and the fuckin spell that Trump has over people like Chico who either do not understand what is going on or dont care as long as their guy isn’t held accountable. It is infuriating.

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Chico when trump raises the debt
[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/kdQuvu0LtCEjxYgTcS/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Chico when it has to be paid back
[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/jUwpNzg9IcyrK/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Raising the debt ceiling needs to be a bipartisan deal. Not by the rules, but by way of not turning it into a political suicide for the ones who have to do it (because of Trumps reckless spending). I know you understand that. Ok now im busy.

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U.S. Tax Revenue by Year - Fiscal Year Revenue

FY 2021 $3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020 $3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion (actual)
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion (actual)
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion (actual)
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion (actual)
FY 2014 $3.02 trillion (actual)
FY 2013 $2.77 trillion (actual)
FY 2012 $2.45 trillion (actual)
FY 2011 $2.30 trillion (actual)
FY 2010 $2.16 trillion (actual)

[url]https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762[/url]

2009 saw a dip in federal tax revenue due to the recession. But every year since 2010 it has increased in actual dollars. Revenue is not the problem, spending is.

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[quote=punch it in;1294061]Really? Read your own article. Or my previous post. Because you and the rest of the right will turn around and call them reckless- it would be political suicide. This is an instance where there needs to be bipartisanship. Like there was when Trump kept doing it. The crazy thing is he is the reason we need to do it now. And suddenly Mitch is hiding in the bushes. I know you see what is going on here Chico.[/quote]

Yeah I read it and I don’t think u know why wouldn’t Schumer simply push the gop and raise it himself. I think u are missing a nuisance within it procedurally. Schumer needs the gop to raise it so they can ram thru a massive socialist spending bill which no gop member would support. It’s about limits…

Schumer can raise the debt limit himself with any GOP support

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1294069]U.S. Tax Revenue by Year - Fiscal Year Revenue

FY 2021 $3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020 $3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion (actual)
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion (actual)
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion (actual)
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion (actual)
FY 2014 $3.02 trillion (actual)
FY 2013 $2.77 trillion (actual)
FY 2012 $2.45 trillion (actual)
FY 2011 $2.30 trillion (actual)
FY 2010 $2.16 trillion (actual)

[url]https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762[/url]

2009 saw a dip in federal tax revenue due to the recession. But every year since 2010 it has increased in actual dollars. Revenue is not the problem, spending is.[/QUOTE]


The revenue could be even more if not for bullshit tax loopholes and corrupt greedy assholes. Im on lunch break so i came back. [emoji482]

And than they cut spending on things like social security, medicaid, veterans benefits. Its always the little guy that gets fucked. If only someone would actually drain the swamp instead of making it murkier [emoji848]
It is always the Republicans that pass deep tax cuts for the rich SD - and that leads to the little guy losing. It isn’t everything but its a big piece.

[url]https://budget.house.gov/publications/publication/democrats-are-party-fiscal-responsibility[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1294071]Yeah I read it and I don’t think u know why wouldn’t Schumer simply push the gop and raise it himself. I think u are missing a nuisance within it procedurally. Schumer needs the gop to raise it so they can ram thru a massive socialist spending bill which no gop member would support. It’s about limits…

Schumer can raise the debt limit himself with any GOP support[/QUOTE]


Hahaha. Love the “socialist” thing Trumpy planted in your brains. Cracks me up.

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Which boogeyman has that racist, divisive, blowhard got you boarding up your windows faster for?

A) the socialist left
B) the spanish caravan
C) the BLM terrorist organization

All standing in the way of ole rich whitey.

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[quote=punch it in;1294068]Chico when trump raises the debt
[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/kdQuvu0LtCEjxYgTcS/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Chico when it has to be paid back
[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/jUwpNzg9IcyrK/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Raising the debt ceiling needs to be a bipartisan deal. Not by the rules, but by way of not turning it into a political suicide for the ones who have to do it (because of Trumps reckless spending). I know you understand that. Ok now im busy.[/quote]

I agree with you yet I want to say I don't consider the [B]"stimulus checks" [/B]running amuck on spending and that goes for for both of them Trump and Bidens .Yes I realize it added trillions but it was needed .

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[quote=punch it in;1294063]Listen to SD if not me Chico. He is actually being real about this issue. U, as a Trumper, will just default to “oh sure blame Trump” as if he has nothing to do with the position we are in. You’re killing me and im way too busy to play this game with you right now. As usual Trump gets us into a jam and you and Mitch cheer for him, now Biden has to fix it and u and Mitch are hiding in the bushes playing amnesia games.[/quote]

You did post a complaint about Trump spending recklessly (Which he did in fact do). Does that mean you now oppose Biden and the Progressives plans to spend even more recklessly?

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[quote=punch it in;1294072]T....

And than they cut spending on things like social security, medicaid, veterans benefits. Its always the little guy that gets fucked. .......[/url][/quote]

Cut spending on any of those things? When did that happen?

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1294143]Cut spending on any of those things? When did that happen?[/QUOTE]


I just meant in general. Wasn’t really referring to any one administration.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1294142]You did post a complaint about Trump spending recklessly (Which he did in fact do). Does that mean you now oppose Biden and the Progressives plans to spend even more recklessly?[/QUOTE]


If Biden gives a tax break to the super wealthy I will absolutely have a problem with it.
Me and you I am sure have different ideas on what money should be allocated too. Lol.

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Gerrit Cole should be taxed at 100% after that performance.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1294157]Gerrit Cole should be taxed at 100% after that performance.[/QUOTE]


Awful.

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[quote=Giantone;1293840]Yup and I'm not comfortable with it, putting way too much debt on up coming generations. Dems (Bernie's guys) better wake up or they will screw themselves and the Republicans' will just sit by and watch it happen.[/quote]

For us much as we have argued about politics, if Trump was never president, we would probably have been on the same side for a lot of political debates here over the last few years.

Note - I wasn't saying you were wrong for opposing him (by the time primaries got to CA, my top choice wasn’t even in the race anymore). Just simply if he never ran, let alone won, we would probably have been on the same side on way more discussions/arguments.

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[quote=punch it in;1294119]Which boogeyman has that racist, divisive, blowhard got you boarding up your windows faster for?

A) the socialist left
[B]B) the spanish caravan[/B]
C) the BLM terrorist organization

All standing in the way of ole rich whitey.[/quote]

If people are swimming here from Spain, let them in!! Those people are amazing! If someone can swim here from Spain, I'll move to Spain in their place. To be fair though, if I could move to any other country in the world for a time, my top 2 choices would be Spain and Australia.

If you're implying that you're just a racist white conservative if you're not OK with people from all over the world walking through Mexico to get here, then c'mon man.

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[quote=nonniey;1294142]You did post a complaint about Trump spending recklessly (Which he did in fact do). Does that mean you now oppose Biden and the Progressives plans to spend even more recklessly?[/quote]

I like the plans but not the cost. I do think it's funny that you make it try to sound worse when you say "even more recklessly", funny shit right there.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1294174]For us much as we have argued about politics, if Trump was never president, we would probably have been on the same side for a lot of political debates here over the last few years.

Note - I wasn't saying you were wrong for opposing him (by the time primaries got to CA, my top choice wasn’t even in the race anymore). Just simply if he never ran, let alone won, we would probably have been on the same side on way more discussions/arguments.[/quote]

My history with trump goes back to the early 80's (I'm 65) , the stories of him wrecking lives is true .When he was President I felt like I was a bystander at a train crossing screaming at the others to get out of the car and they never do........and then the train hits!

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1294175]If people are swimming here from Spain, let them in!! Those people are amazing! If someone can swim here from Spain, I'll move to Spain in their place. To be fair though, if I could move to any other country in the world for a time, my top 2 choices would be Spain and Australia.

If you're implying that you're just a racist white conservative if you're not OK with people from all over the world walking through Mexico to get here, then c'mon man.[/QUOTE]


Yes i am implying that conservatives are racist. Lol
Simply pointing out the fear tactics that Trump and the extreme right used. And i meant mexican caravan but the doors song got in my head. Remember the mexican caravan that was invading our country- rapists and murderers I believe made up 90 percent of them.
Also SD i was calling trump a racist because he is one, but never did i imply anyone else including chico and certainly not all conservatives were. Dont pin that crap on me.

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Minting a trillion dollar coin is the type of retard move I expect by an completely incompetent administration

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1294180]Minting a trillion dollar coin is the type of retard move I expect by an completely incompetent administration[/QUOTE]


Except that the idea has been around since 92. Populist party idea.

I would just inject bleach into the economy or perhaps nuke a tornado. Hysterical that a trump guy jumps all over some notion of a trillion dollar coin but doesn’t even research first before he blames biden for a retarded idea. This on the heels of his messiah literally spouting retarded ideas for four years. The bleach n the nukes are just my favorites. Perhaps if we had taken advantage of the airports during the civil war we wouldn’t be in this situation. [emoji848]

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[quote=punch it in;1294145]If Biden gives a tax break to the super wealthy I will absolutely have a problem with it.
Me and you I am sure have different ideas on what money should be allocated too. Lol.[/quote]

He wants to do that with his plan to rescind the SALT tax limits.

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[quote=Giantone;1294176]I like the plans but not the cost. I do think it's funny that you make it try to sound worse when you say "even more recklessly", funny shit right there.[/quote]

This needs a c'mon man response. Trying to make it sound worse???? It is worse by several orders of magnitude. 2 years ago I'd bet you were thinking the Green new deal was an insane proposal. Well this is the Green new deal and yes it is still insane. 3.5 Trillion in new spending, most of which are entitlements (Show me an entitlement that has ever been rescinded). This pushes our spending which was already way too high to above WWII spending levels, it also pushes the US above the spending level Greece indulged in prior to their bankruptcy.

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[quote=nonniey;1294209]He wants to do that with his plan to rescind the SALT tax limits.[/quote]

If its fair to target the rich tax payers in blue states .. lets target and tax the rich people in red states.

tax the rich.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1294214]This needs a c'mon man response. Trying to make it sound worse???? It is worse by several orders of magnitude. 2 years ago I'd bet you were thinking the Green new deal was an insane proposal. Well this is the Green new deal and yes it is still insane. 3.5 Trillion in new spending, most of which are entitlements (Show me an entitlement that has ever been rescinded). This pushes our spending which was already way too high to above WWII spending levels, it also pushes the US above the spending level Greece indulged in prior to their bankruptcy.[/QUOTE]


Because the environment is last on the list of what is important? Like I said earlier your idea if reckless spending and mine are different. Saving the planet is a bigger issue than anything. You would think that would be something that everyone can get on board with?

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Id like to see some restrictions on rich foreingers and govt (china) buying up all our houses and real estate.

and prescription reform

2 things i think most can agree on.

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[quote=SunnySide;1294216]If its fair to target the rich tax payers in blue states .. lets target and tax the rich people in red states.

tax the rich.[/quote]

It certainly does tax the rich in the red states. Texas is like 3 or 4 where it’s claimed the most.

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JFC!!!!!


tps://news.yahoo.com/feds-florida-missed-deadline-receive-194042706.html

Feds: Florida missed deadline to receive $2.3B in school aid

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Florida is the last state to submit a plan to the U.S. Department of Education that's required before more than $2.3 billion in federal aid for Florida schools can be released, according to a letter sent to the state Monday.

The letter sent to Florida Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran said the state Department of Education missed the deadline to release American Rescue Plan Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief (ARP ESSER) money.

“The Department released the first two-thirds of each State’s allocation in March and required each State to submit its plan for spending its ARP ESSER funds by June. FDOE did not meet this deadline, nor did it meet the July and August submission timelines that were anticipated following conversations with your staff,” wrote Ian Rosenblum, the federal department's deputy assistant secretary for policy and programs.

Rosenblum said the delay makes it harder for school districts to plan.

“We have heard repeatedly from parents, teachers, and superintendents from school districts in Florida that FDOE has not yet awarded ARP ESSER funds to local educational agencies,” he wrote.