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[quote=nonniey;1318845]Are you even capable of contributing to the conversations on this board? Mooby and Sunnyside posted good links above which generated good discussion on the subject and yes even Chico made good contributions to the discussion. You however post this which is generally all you ever post.[/quote]

The fact that you think chico makes good contributions just shows how little of a thread you actually read. Don't like what I post then don't read it but you might want to start to read a whole thread once in a while. I realize people from Arizona have a hard time getting all the facts.

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[quote=nonniey;1318845]Are you even capable of contributing to the conversations on this board? Mooby and Sunnyside posted good links above which generated good discussion on the subject and yes even Chico made good contributions to the discussion. You however post this which is generally all you ever post.[/quote]

The answer is no - Attacks & memes, but very little substance.

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[quote=Giantone;1318848]The fact that you think chico makes good contributions just shows how little of a thread you actually read. Don't like what I post then don't read it but you might want to start to read a whole thread once in a while. I realize people from Arizona have a hard time getting all the facts.[/quote]

G1 why don't you ask Mooby or Sunnyside for an assessment of how you act on in this forum. Those guys politically align with you so maybe they will be able to give you constructive advice that you won't accept from those that don't politically align with you. Previously some one accurately described your conduct as being the most Trump like of all the posters who are on this forum. Just ask Mooby or Sunnyside if that is true.

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[quote=nonniey;1318851]G1 why don't you ask Mooby or Sunnyside for an assessment of how you act on in this forum. Those guys politically align with you so maybe they will be able to give you constructive advice that you won't accept from those that don't politically align with you. Previously some one accurately described your conduct as being the most Trump like of all the posters who are on this forum. Just ask Mooby or Sunnyside if that is true.[/quote]

Again you make the assumption I give two shits! I respect those two posters and what they bring to the threads. Here is the thing, I don't agree with their take sometimes as they don't agree with mine, not everyone gets along and that is ok. Yet the ignorance that chico and a few of you show towards America is mind boggling yet I can cross that off as trump sheep but don't let my attitude towards chico be misconstrued. He stepped over the line and made this personal years ago, I honestly don't give a shit how you feel about it.


P.S.
I don't drag others into my post as you seem to be trying to do, act like a big boy.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1318849]The answer is no - Attacks & memes, but very little substance.[/quote]

Funny you accept it from chico and others but not me.

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[quote=Giantone;1318852]Again you make the assumption I give two shits! I respect those two posters and what they bring to the threads. Here is the thing, I don't agree with their take sometimes as they don't agree with mine, [B]not everyone gets along and that is ok[/B]. Yet the ignorance that chico and a few of you show towards America is mind boggling yet I can cross that off as trump sheep but don't let my attitude towards chico be misconstrued. He stepped over the line and made this personal years ago, I honestly don't give a shit how you feel about it.

P.S.
I don't drag others into my post as you seem to be trying to do, act like a big boy.[/quote]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1318854][IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/8b/b8/428bb8b581b9cd2f789ad2136e6f730a.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I’ve been rewatching Seinfeld lately…still the best comedy ever on TV

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[quote=Chico23231;1318855]I’ve been rewatching Seinfeld lately…still the best comedy ever on TV[/quote]

There are very few situations in life that don't remind me of something in Chappelle's Show or Seinfeld.

I record Seinfeld whenever I come across them. I have HBO Max now, and Chappelle's Show is on there. Finishing up Curb Your Enthusiasm. East Bound & Down and Chappelle's Show are next on the comedy schedule.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1318854][IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/8b/b8/428bb8b581b9cd2f789ad2136e6f730a.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm seems post #1122 fits in here.



Chief X_Phackter
Playmaker

[B]The answer is no - Attacks & memes, but very little substance[/B]

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[quote=Chico23231;1318839]It’s not up for debate, 400 billion in spending is confirmed by the CBO…when Jon Stewart was press about the fact, he changed subjects.

It’s laughable at the dishonesty this point. Just remove the unrelated spending and the bill gets passed.[/quote]

No he didn't again you make up "alternative facts " to justify your lie.

Jon Stewart has always maintain the money was in the bill the 400 billion has always been "mandatory spending". First it was they added this , then it was well they moved this, both are lies. Again the republicans voted for this exact bill before.

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[quote=Giantone;1318860]Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm seems post #1122 fits in here.



Chief X_Phackter
Playmaker

[B]The answer is no - Attacks & memes, but very little substance[/B][/quote]

Happy to help.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1318857]There are very few situations in life that don't remind me of something in Chappelle's Show or Seinfeld.

I record Seinfeld whenever I come across them. I have HBO Max now, and Chappelle's Show is on there. Finishing up Curb Your Enthusiasm. East Bound & Down and Chappelle's Show are next on the comedy schedule.[/quote]

If you like east bound and down (which is amazing) check out Vice Principals which ran a couple years later. Also, Veep is another HBO comedy gold which is relevant today with Kamala Harris

You have never seen Chappelle show? Dude u gotta get on that. I was rewatching episodes of Boondocks last night. I wonder if both could be made today with these loser culture generation wanting censor comedy?

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[B]Trump never wanted to take out top al-Qaeda target al-Zawahiri because he didn't recognize his name: report[/B]


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-never-wanted-to-take-out-top-al-qaeda-target-al-zawahiri-because-he-didn-t-recognize-his-name-report/ar-AA10cv5K?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c6554ef6e20545299a7eed4e7f88867f[/url]


President Joe Biden announced that the U.S. killed top al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who served as Osama bin Laden's No. 2 in the ongoing attacks on the United States. But according to an NBC report from 2020, former President Donald Trump had an opportunity to do the same, but refused because he didn't recognize al-Zawahiri's name.

Reporting in early 2020, NBC News reported that intelligence officials briefed then-President Trump many times about the most worrisome terrorist threats, specifically mentioning al-Zawahri.

Trump would ultimately agree to take out ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Yemeni al Qaeda chief Qasim al-Rimi. But other of the significant names on the CIA's list were ignored.


[url]https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/donald-trump-claims-nobodys-gotten-to-the-bottom-of-9-11-at-golf/[/url]

[B]Donald Trump says ‘nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11’ at Saudi-backed tournament[/B]

Former President Donald Trump defended hosting the Saudi-backed LIV Golf Series at his Bedminster, NJ course on Thursday, brushing off criticism from families of 9/11 victims by saying “nobody’s gotten to the bottom” of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

With families set to protest the event on Friday, ESPN pressed the 45th president for a response to the controversy.

“Well, nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing to our city, to our country, to our world,” Trump said. “So nobody’s really been there.”

The former president then attempted to put a positive spin on the event, saying, “there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we’re gonna have a lot of fun.”

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[quote=Chico23231;1318920]If you like east bound and down (which is amazing) check out Vice Principals which ran a couple years later. Also, Veep is another HBO comedy gold which is relevant today with Kamala Harris

[B]You have never seen Chappelle show?[/B] Dude u gotta get on that. I was rewatching episodes of Boondocks last night. I wonder if both could be made today with these loser culture generation wanting censor comedy?[/quote]

I've seen every episode multiple times over, but I still want to re-watch the series from start to finish.

I don't think it would be on today. He even said he was surprised back then, that it was on. I don't even watch any new shows on cable anymore. Basically only have cable for sports and re-runs of shows like Seinfeld, Married with Children, etc. Anything else is a streaming show. New shows now are lame. Everything is a touchy subject nowadays, so it's hard to be funny anymore.

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[quote=Giantone;1318922][B]Trump never wanted to take out top al-Qaeda target al-Zawahiri because he didn't recognize his name: report[/B]


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-never-wanted-to-take-out-top-al-qaeda-target-al-zawahiri-because-he-didn-t-recognize-his-name-report/ar-AA10cv5K?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c6554ef6e20545299a7eed4e7f88867f[/url]


President Joe Biden announced that the U.S. killed top al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who served as Osama bin Laden's No. 2 in the ongoing attacks on the United States. But according to an NBC report from 2020, former President Donald Trump had an opportunity to do the same, but refused because he didn't recognize al-Zawahiri's name.

Reporting in early 2020, NBC News reported that intelligence officials briefed then-President Trump many times about the most worrisome terrorist threats, specifically mentioning al-Zawahri.

Trump would ultimately agree to take out ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Yemeni al Qaeda chief Qasim al-Rimi. But other of the significant names on the CIA's list were ignored.


[url]https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/donald-trump-claims-nobodys-gotten-to-the-bottom-of-9-11-at-golf/[/url]

[B]Donald Trump says ‘nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11’ at Saudi-backed tournament[/B]

Former President Donald Trump defended hosting the Saudi-backed LIV Golf Series at his Bedminster, NJ course on Thursday, brushing off criticism from families of 9/11 victims by saying “nobody’s gotten to the bottom” of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

With families set to protest the event on Friday, ESPN pressed the 45th president for a response to the controversy.

“Well, nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing to our city, to our country, to our world,” Trump said. “So nobody’s really been there.”

The former president then attempted to put a positive spin on the event, saying, “there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we’re gonna have a lot of fun.”[/quote]

Remember, Joe Biden advised Obama not to go on the raid that got Islamic terrorist bin laden

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[quote=Chico23231;1318926]Remember, Joe Biden advised Obama not to go on the raid that got Islamic terrorist bin laden[/quote]

chico, you're such a fool.

[url]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/bidens-position-on-osama-bin-laden-raid/[/url]

Questioned by a Fox News reporter, former Vice President Joe Biden denied that he told then-President Barack Obama “not to go after [Osama] bin Laden” in what turned out to be a successful mission to kill the 9/11 mastermind. The Republican National Committee immediately called it “an instance of Biden flat out lying.”

We wouldn’t go that far, but Biden wasn’t giving the whole story.

In his initial recounting of the events leading up to bin Laden’s death on May 2, 2011, Biden portrayed Obama as a decisive leader who decided to move forward with the daring raid over the vice president’s advice. In the mid-2011 and early 2012, Biden recounted how he advised Obama during a national security strategy meeting in April 2011 to wait for further confirmation that bin Laden was actually in the compound in Pakistan before acting. That’s the version being seized upon by the GOP as a contradiction of Biden’s recent denial that he advised Obama not to go after bin Laden.

But Biden also — months later and ever since — claimed that in a one-on-one meeting with Obama immediately after the security council meeting, he told the president to “follow your instincts,” knowing that the president was inclined at that time to move forward with the raid.

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Not the whole story? Bro, this is common knowledge and even by Obama said Joe said it…you trying to recast and gaslight using fake fact check ain’t helping.

Try again, here even Obama states Joe told him not to go:

In 2012 Biden said he told Obama not to launch raid on compound
In January 2012 at a Democratic congressional retreat, Biden recounted how Obama asked senior officials whether they should go ahead with the raid. Everyone in the room "hedged their bet" except CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said "go."

"Mr. President, my suggestion is, don't go," Biden recounted. "‘We have to do two more things to see if he's there." (He did not explain what the two additional things were at the time.)

(When a reporter asked White House spokesman Jay Carney in 2012 about Biden’s comments stating he was against the raid, Carney said: "I know that he is speaking accurately.")

In May 2012 on NBC’s Meet the Press, Biden said he told Obama "follow your instincts."

"I wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there," Biden said.

Obama’s statement during a debate in 2012 supported the idea that Biden was critical about the raid proposal. Obama said that "even some in my own party, including my current vice president," critiqued the proposed raid.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318930]Not the whole story? Bro, this is common knowledge and even by Obama said Joe said it…you trying to recast and gaslight using fake fact check ain’t helping.

Try again, here even Obama states Joe told him not to go:

In 2012 Biden said he told Obama not to launch raid on compound
In January 2012 at a Democratic congressional retreat, Biden recounted how Obama asked senior officials whether they should go ahead with the raid. Everyone in the room "hedged their bet" except CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said "go."

"Mr. President, my suggestion is, don't go," Biden recounted. "‘We have to do two more things to see if he's there." (He did not explain what the two additional things were at the time.)

(When a reporter asked White House spokesman Jay Carney in 2012 about Biden’s comments stating he was against the raid, Carney said: "I know that he is speaking accurately.")

In May 2012 on NBC’s Meet the Press, Biden said he told Obama "follow your instincts."

"I wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there," Biden said.

Obama’s statement during a debate in 2012 supported the idea that Biden was critical about the raid proposal. Obama said that "even some in my own party, including my current vice president," critiqued the proposed raid.[/quote]
trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.

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[quote=Giantone;1318954]trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.[/quote]

So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.

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[quote=MTK;1317935]If only it were that easy

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/abortion-ruling-states.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes"]Supreme Court Throws Abortion to an Unlevel State Playing Field[/URL]
The Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade shifted the abortion fight to state legislatures, where gerrymandering has given Republicans an advantage.[/quote]

Kansas, not a liberal stronghold, [B][U]voted[/U][/B] to keep abortion legal.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kansas-voters-reject-constitutional-amendment-granting-lawmakers-ability-regulate-abortion[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1318966]So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.[/quote]

#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.

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[quote=Giantone;1318970]#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.[/quote]

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

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So the PACT act finally passes... really don't understand why veterans having healthcare is an issue in the first place. Should be a no brainer. If you serve you should be taken care of. No excuses. They way vets are jerked around is just so wrong. Why the hell are burn pits even a thing? Not only do they make people sick but they sound like ecological disasters courtesy of our military.

Same deal with 9/11 first responders, the fact they've had to fight for benefits is just criminal.

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[quote=MTK;1318976]So the PACT act finally passes... really don't understand why veterans having healthcare is an issue in the first place. Should be a no brainer. If you serve you should be taken care of. No excuses. They way vets are jerked around is just so wrong. Why the hell are burn pits even a thing? Not only do they make people sick but they sound like ecological disasters courtesy of our military.

Same deal with 9/11 first responders, the fact they've had to fight for benefits is just criminal.[/quote]

Burn pits are not as prevalent anymore. I'm pretty sure for the most part we have discontinued using them, except in cases where there is really no feasible alternative to dispose of waste. I don't think we knew the future health consequences that would develop from the use of burn pits back then. We had to get rid of our waste. There was no landfill to bring it to, or septic system in the middle of the desert. Burning it, at the time, seemed like the best course of action. Obviously, in hindsight it was a dumb idea.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1318983]Burn pits are not as prevalent anymore. I'm pretty sure for the most part we have discontinued using them, except in cases where there is really no feasible alternative to dispose of waste. I don't think we knew the future health consequences that would develop from the use of burn pits back then. We had to get rid of our waste. There was no landfill to bring it to, or septic system in the middle of the desert. Burning it, at the time, seemed like the best course of action. Obviously, in hindsight it was a dumb idea.[/quote]

Who would have thought throwing jet fuel on human waste and other toxic materials would get people sick? I know, humans have done tons of dumb things over the course of time that looking back now just look insane. Though I'm sure this won't prevent more dumb things from going down in the future. At least now vets will get the health coverage they deserve.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1318968]Kansas, not a liberal stronghold, [B][U]voted[/U][/B] to keep abortion legal.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kansas-voters-reject-constitutional-amendment-granting-lawmakers-ability-regulate-abortion[/url][/quote]

Maybe a sign the SC overreached and people are pissed? Should Republicans be worried? We'll know more in the coming months. Pretty resounding statement by Kansas voters that's for sure.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-should-be-terrified-over-abortion-referendum-turnout-in-kansas-2022-8"]A losing anti-abortion referendum in Kansas cranked up voter turnout by a staggering amount, flagging a massive new problem for Republicans[/URL]

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I love the 10th amendment, whether people in X state vote the way I would prefer or not on any given issue.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318971]Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.[/quote]

chico, again I will give you more attention then you deserve . You're wrong.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1318995]I love the 10th amendment, whether people in X state vote the way I would prefer or not on any given issue.[/quote]

Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1319002]Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. [B]The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion[/B]. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.[/quote]

Let's rephrase this - the Supreme Court took the power out of the hands of individual women and gave it to the states.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318971]Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.[/quote]

This entire argument strikes me as dumb as fuck. You guys want things to be so black and white.

Why couldn't Joe Biden be against the plan in the beginning and then gradually be persuaded it was for the best (or at least his mind was changed when he realized it was gonna happen with or without his approval)?

Obviously Obama came out and said Biden was against it. But that doesn't mean the night of the raid Biden was pouting in the corner - who's to say he wasn't swayed by the argument that a 60% shot of killing Bin Laden was the best odds they're ever gonna get?

Sometimes it feels like you guys forget you're talking about people, where opinions and feelings can change by the minute. Or maybe you forget because these are career politicians in a political climate where both sides are very dug in - having an open mind means being open to new ideas and your stance changing when new info comes available.

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[quote=mooby;1319005]Let's rephrase this - the Supreme Court took the power out of the hands of individual women and gave it to the states.[/quote]

Let's not. I like mine better.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1319002]Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. [B]The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states[/B], and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.[/quote]

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

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[quote=SunnySide;1319010]Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.[/quote]

You don’t recognize that Democrats have moved on the Abortion issue from “safe legal rare” to “abortion on demand up moment of birth”?

Boy, slippery slopes indeed.

Next you will tell me a Supreme Court Justice can’t define a woman because she’s not a biologist or men can have babies. Please with the gop culture war…the left been certainly been doing the same

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[quote=SunnySide;1319010]Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.[/quote]

I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1319013]I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.[/quote]

But States have proved they can't handle it .

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Oh yeah, which ones?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1319025]Oh yeah, which ones?[/quote]

Off the top of my head - Texas.

[URL="https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/26/1111280165/because-of-texas-abortion-law-her-wanted-pregnancy-became-a-medical-nightmare"]Because this story[/URL] is not totally unique - now if you are pregnant in Texas and an event happens which basically guarantees the fetus is not going to survive long enough to make it out of the womb - the doctors have to wait until the woman's life is at risk (and the fetal heartbeat is all but lost) before they can terminate the pregnancy. Make it make sense.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1319013]I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.[/quote]

It has EVERYTHING to do with christians pushing their religious beliefs onto all Americans.

There is zero point talking with you or anyone if you arent going to admit that the SCOTUS decision wasnt religious. Justice barrett talks in freaking tongues for fucks sake ....

Fuck christian nationalists and and anyone trying to play the "both sides" card

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Vin Scully, say it again for all the commies in the da back!