Re: Holmgren
 

Holmgren's gameplan was great in the first quarter, when they actually threw to DJax. 5 catches in the first quarter, none for the rest of the game. Nice Holmgren. Way to expose the Steeler's crappy secondary.

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=skindogger47]Holmgren's gameplan was great in the first quarter, when they actually threw to DJax. 5 catches in the first quarter, none for the rest of the game. Nice Holmgren. Way to expose the Steeler's crappy secondary.[/QUOTE]



jeremy stevens was their way but he was having trouble catching. holmgrens game plan was perfect but his players didn't execute well enough. when the players did play well the refs steped in and put a stop to it.

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]come on , get real. the game was well over at that point. [u]the refs would not have allowed a miracle come back by seattle.[/u][/QUOTE]

Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

Fact is, he botched the last couple of minutes of both halves, not to mention he was mediocre at best for a good portion of the second half. It doesn't make him an awful coach, but it sure makes your claim that he "perfectly coached 58-59 minutes out of 60" sound a bit silly.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]the refs would not have allowed a miracle come back by seattle.[/QUOTE]

btw, offiss could use a little help ;)
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11005[/url]

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

Fact is, he botched the last couple of minutes of both halves, not to mention he was mediocre at best for a good portion of the second half. It doesn't make him an awful coach, but it sure makes your claim that he "perfectly coached 58-59 minutes out of 60" sound a bit silly.[/QUOTE]


holmgren botched or his players botched ? i say his players. i don't think i said he was perfect for 58,59 minutes but what i did say was he had a perfect gameplan and that he coached well for 58, 59 minutes. the gameplan was good, it was the execution that faultered.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

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if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]
holmgren had a great gameplan and it was working effectively until the refs got involved and stevens started dropping passes.[/QUOTE]


the gameplan obviously wasn't that great if it required throwing to a guy with teflon hands 30 times a night.

and where was his great gameplan in the last 2min of each half? he's the head coach he's who told or allowed his qb to audible when he wanted to.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]

i'm not really sure what your problem is, but I think all this crackpot conspiracy stuff is a little over the top and that statement up there is highly ironic.

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]


Parcells was interviewed on the radio tuesday, and was asked what he thought about the officiating? And he said he never critisizes the officials and wasen't going to start now, but he did say that he felt that those penalties determined the outcome of that game. He kind of in a round about way blamed the officiating by saying those calls were tough.

Personally I think that game raised a lot of eyebrows of suspicion about the legitamcy of the game.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]All i can say is it's pretty sad to only see one coach in the middle of the field after the game. I have no more respect for Holmgren because he didnt show one once of respect to Bill Cowher.[/QUOTE]

Just to follow up on the original post in this thread:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9214984[/url]

"Nobody saw Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren and Steelers coach Bill Cowher shake hands after Super Bowl X-tra L-arge, but nobody should interpret it as a rift. It was more a miscommunication.

The two coaches were supposed to meet at the 25-yard line. Holmgren went to one 25-yard line, Cowher to the other, and they never got to engage in the traditional hand-shaking act that most coaches do after every game.

While they each waited and looked for the other, the madness and grandiosity of the game swallowed them. Nobody was going to find anybody at that time. Finally, Holmgren opted to head to the locker room.

Later, in the Seahawks locker room, the two coaches caught up with other, with Holmgren congratulating Cowher on joining the fraternity of Super Bowl winning coaches. With nobody watching, the two shook hands and spoke.

Not only was there no feud between the two, but it's just the opposite. The two really like each other, so much so that after each won the conference championship, they spoke on the telephone and congratulated each other."

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]the gameplan obviously wasn't that great if it required throwing to a guy with teflon hands 30 times a night.

and where was his great gameplan in the last 2min of each half? he's the head coach he's who told or allowed his qb to audible when he wanted to.[/QUOTE]



stevens was good all year who new he was going to play so bad


everyone needs to get off this last 2 minutes crap, holmgren did nothing wrong. he was letting his players play. qbs audible all the time, what, you think he supposed to look over at holmgren and say "please coach , can i audible ? please, pretty please. can i" ?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i'm not really sure what your problem is, but I think all this crackpot conspiracy stuff is a little over the top and that statement up there is highly ironic.[/QUOTE]

i have no problem, i never said this game was fixed but what i did say was that i would not be surprised if one day we find out that it was. what i also said is that it surely looked as though it was fixed. worse, most one sided officiating i have ever seen. thats my opinion, you don't like it, oh well.

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[QUOTE=offiss]

Personally I think that game raised a lot of eyebrows of suspicion about the legitamcy of the game.[/QUOTE]



it did with me as well. i'm pretty sure other sports have had fixed games or events ( example- dale jr. winning that race after his fathers death ). i never thought football games were fixed and i'm still not convinced they are but that superbowl was definately fishy.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]stevens was good all year who new he was going to play so bad
[/QUOTE]

he played pretty poorly this year (though better than his other years). lots of balls thrown his way, LOTS of drops. he can't block, and he's very average at his strength.

Re: Holmgren
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]he played pretty poorly this year (though better than his other years). lots of balls thrown his way, LOTS of drops. he can't block, and he's very average at his strength.[/QUOTE]


he had been playing good in the playoffs. if the steelers were taking jackson out of the game but leaving stevens open, then i can't fault holmgren or hasselback for trying to get the ball to the open guy.