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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]I absolutely hate Keyshawn, and if I was a Panthers fan I'd be pissed that my team picked him up because I'd rather lose without him than win with him.

That said, as a neutral observer and football fan, the move vastly improves their WR situation. I hate the guy, but given their terrible WR corp., they now have something they simply didn't before: a legit #2 WR.[/quote]

These people down here are considering this one of their best free agent pickups in franchise history. I am not joking!! That is all that was on the radio down here yesterday and today. Yesterday it was he's at the airport, at the stadium, there negotiating we'll break in if he signs or any news. Its freaking horrible when you get that excited of a guy with his baggage.

Re: Panthers | Team lands K. Johnson
 

[quote=#56fanatic]These people down here are considering this one of their best free agent pickups in franchise history. I am not joking!! That is all that was on the radio down here yesterday and today. Yesterday it was he's at the airport, at the stadium, there negotiating we'll break in if he signs or any news. Its freaking horrible when you get that excited of a guy with his baggage.[/quote]

that's crazy. he's an upgrade, but i'm not sure he merits parade treatment ;)

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]I am pointing out the holes in their logic. I think that Keyshawn is an overrated bum who is on the downside of his career. He is a locker room cancer who will not help any team that wants to contend. Apparently everyone else thinks that he would be a good addition to a team that was one step away from the Superbowl. Well I think that all of them are wrong.

Keyshawn is mediocre and his baggage makes him a net negative.

Can you follow that wilso? If you cannot follow the thread pipe down.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I can follow your logic. If that's what you call it.

Keyshawn is mediocre you say? This statement is not supported by the facts or in this case hard stats. He does have baggage so you got half of your equation right.

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[quote=wilsowilso]I'm pretty sure I can follow your logic. If that's what you call it.

Kewshawn is mediocre you say? This statement is not supported by the facts or in this case hard stats. He does have baggage so you got half of your equation right.[/quote]

Why would they go out and pay a aging 34 year old receiver, with ALOT of baggage, to be the #2 guy. Why not go out and get a younger receiver who you can put beside smith and grow for few more years. There were better receivers out there, and WR was one of the most glaring needs this team needed to address. Much like us. Yet they sign a couple DTs backup lineman then a over the hill, Diva WR. I cant stand the Panthers, or their fans, they are fair weather fans. they show up half way through the 1st quarter and leave before the game is over. Not a lot of tailgating. I can not wait until we come down here next year(2007 season) and beat that ass. I hope a lot of skins fans show up for that one.

Re: Panthers | Team lands K. Johnson
 

[quote=#56fanatic]Why would they go out and pay a aging 34 year old receiver, with ALOT of baggage, to be the #2 guy. Why not go out and get a younger receiver who you can put beside smith and grow for few more years. There were better receivers out there, and WR was one of the most glaring needs this team needed to address.[/quote]

please name this younger receiver that'd be gauranteed to not suck next year and is still available.
Also keep in mind, he's getting 3.5mill a year, which is far less than the guys we got, and that Joe J wasn't considering carolina in any way.

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What is K. Colbert and D. Carter?

Re: Panthers | Team lands K. Johnson
 

[quote=#56fanatic]Why would they go out and pay a aging 34 year old receiver, with ALOT of baggage, to be the #2 guy. Why not go out and get a younger receiver who you can put beside smith and grow for few more years. There were better receivers out there, and WR was one of the most glaring needs this team needed to address. Much like us. Yet they sign a couple DTs backup lineman then a over the hill, Diva WR. I cant stand the Panthers, or their fans, they are fair weather fans. they show up half way through the 1st quarter and leave before the game is over. Not a lot of tailgating. I can not wait until we come down here next year(2007 season) and beat that ass. I hope a lot of skins fans show up for that one.[/quote]

Ok let's get this straight. In my first post I said Keyswan was a jackass, but he will really help Carolina at the #2 spot. There were a bunch of other receivers out there that would have been younger and better, but the cheap ass owners for Carolina decided on Keyshawn. He is a solid upgrade IMO. All I know about Carolina fans is that many of them used to be Redskin fans.

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yes he definitely will help carolina. not a great receiver but hes a huge upgrade over whatever #2 they have as it is.

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If anything Keyshawn will give them a reliable receiving threat other than Smith. Honestly I've always thought that's what the Panthers have been lacking. Great offensive line, just no wide receivers other than Steve Smith.

Re: Panthers | Team lands K. Johnson
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]If anything Keyshawn will give them a reliable receiving threat other than Smith. Honestly I've always thought that's what the Panthers have been lacking. Great offensive line, just no wide receivers other than Steve Smith.[/quote]

Their O-Line was not that good last year, especially at run blocking, pretty decent at pass blocking. I have a philosophy where I dont like signing old guys. Some agree , some dont. I just think there may have been better options than Keyshawn. Carolina is one of those teams concidered to be high revenue, that because of teams like us supplying the income, but they still dont put the money out in the players. Actually, they put alot of money in players that they shouldn't (Dan Morgan-always injured , Deshaun Foster - cant stay healthy as a part time player) I am not a carolina fan. i do think he will help take some pressure of Steve, but w/ Colbert getting healthy and another year, I think he could have been just a good.

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[quote=That Guy]please name this younger receiver that'd be gauranteed to not suck next year and is still available.
Also keep in mind, he's getting 3.5mill a year, which is far less than the guys we got, and that Joe J wasn't considering carolina in any way.[/quote]

Exactly they got him at a good price he has 2 good years at least left and he commands attention, he will take pressure off S. Smith a problem Carolina had last year and reflected against dallas and Seattle take away S.Smith and you take away their game.

Now with KJ they have a proven #2 receiver that demands atention also a wr thats willing to do the dirty work and cover downfield.

Great pic they just got better.

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Solid pickup for Carolina, he will definitely give them the reliable #2 WR they were lacking.

As much as I love to hate on him, I have to admit he is a solid possession WR. If he wasn't such an ass I might actually like him.

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[quote=#56fanatic]Their O-Line was not that good last year, especially at run blocking, pretty decent at pass blocking. I have a philosophy where I dont like signing old guys. Some agree , some dont. I just think there may have been better options than Keyshawn. Carolina is one of those teams concidered to be high revenue, that because of teams like us supplying the income, but they still dont put the money out in the players. Actually, they put alot of money in players that they shouldn't (Dan Morgan-always injured , Deshaun Foster - cant stay healthy as a part time player) I am not a carolina fan. i do think he will help take some pressure of Steve, but w/ Colbert getting healthy and another year, I think he could have been just a good.[/quote]

great, how about instead of thinking there are better players available you actually name them instead ;)

according to you, even great players, once past 30, shouldn't be signed by anyone and just retire?
they were close last year, and this stopgap player will help them stay close and work better in the short term than a draftee or underacheiving prospect currently on the team. if they were the 49ers it wouldn't make nearly as much sense.

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[quote=That Guy]great, how about instead of thinking there are better players available you actually name them instead ;)

according to you, even great players, once past 30, shouldn't be signed by anyone and just retire?[/quote]

Is Keyshawn great? didnt' think so. At the start of FA there were WR out there available. Randel El , David Givens , Robinson , to name a few. You can go back and look at the list of FA WR that were there. Obviously now there aren't any. My point to this was they knew they needed a WR when the season ended last year, and they waited to sign Keyshawn when if they acted earlier they could have signed someone else. Personally I dont think Keyshawn was worth it. You may disagree, thats fine. I dont say not to sign anyone past 30, I said Keyshawn - 34 down side of career, with baggage and attitude being a #2 option. He went crazy when wayne crebet was getting the ball in NY, crazy when McCardell was getting the ball in Tampa, and silent in Dallas when he was getting the ball. I doubt he stays quiet when he doesn't get the ball in Carolina. He may turn out to be a good pick up, it speculation at this point.

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[quote=wilsowilso]Ok let's get this straight. In my first post I said Keyswan was a jackass, but he will really help Carolina at the #2 spot. There were a bunch of other receivers out there that would have been younger and better, but the cheap ass owners for Carolina decided on Keyshawn. He is a solid upgrade IMO. All I know about Carolina fans is that many of them used to be Redskin fans.[/quote]

I agree that he will be a upgrade at #2. I don't think him and steve smith will get along but we will have to see if they can maintain their composure on and off the field.

As far as many of their fans being ex-skin fans I don't think that is true. Cause if they are ex-fans they were never really fans at all!