Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=dmek25]hey steveo, remember how good a scrub like tommy maddox looked for the steelers before he got hurt? and willie parker had 1200 yards mainly running on the edge of the field. bettis got all of the tough yards between the tackles(where games are won) who gets those yards now? if parker stays on the field the entire game now he doesnt finish the season healthy[/quote]
Maddox had one good year in 2002 and he didn't even play the whole season, and he still threw 16 picks. Then he got crappier in 2003 and the steelers sucked. [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1005"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1005[/URL]. Then they lost Mike Mularkey as their offensive coordinator, but the system didn't change that much because they just promoted Ken Whisenhunt from being the Tight Ends coach. Maddox's last two seasons have been total crap, even though he only played a couple games each year.

Willie Parker had a lot of carries each game, so there is no way that he ran outside every play. Nobody gets 255 carries and doesn't go through the middle. They also have Verron Haynes and Duce Staley to make up for the few yards that Bettis got. They are both big backs that got more yards per carry than bettis last year.

And Roethlisberger will probably pass it more, now that he is more experienced and he has shown that he can handle it. He will have a great season...and it's not because of the system.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

well, you know how the old saying goes, only time will tell

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

bettis was a nice guy, but his production was already tailing off. they still got krieder at FB and faneca at guard etc. they'll be alright. OLines/TEs/FBs are, on average, way more important than RBs (unless you've got jim brown or barry sanders).

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

Brunell threw decent long balls last season, but Santana Moss had to wait for some of those passes. With all these speedy WRs we have now, I hope Brunell is able to get the ball to them on stride.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=Kevikazi]Brunell threw decent long balls last season, but Santana Moss had to wait for some of those passes. With all these speedy WRs we have now, I hope Brunell is able to get the ball to them on stride.[/quote]I noticed that too. As long as the QB gets it out over the reach of the defender, I'm happy. Let the WR do the work and score.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=FaithfulFan]Here'sthe real question:
Is he any better than JoeTheisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypein?
3 avergae qb's, one awesome coach, 3 Superbowl victories.[/quote]

Like I have said....I could have quarterbacked the 1992 squad with that awesome offensive line. The key is the line. Joe, Doug and Mark R had Super Bowl caliber offensive lines. Get Brunell some time to find the great recievers we have and we should do very well!!!
It should soon read like this....Joe, Doug, Mark and Mark !!!

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

I'd keep Brunell over all these guys:
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger
Brad Johnson
Jake Delhomme
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Steve McNair

leaving:
Tom Brady
Trent Green
Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer (healthy)

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

Brunell played incredibly last season when he was healthy and his accuracy, running ability for making plays and field prowess are among the leagues best. Way smarter and field savvy than Brad Johnson and all the others.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

Yes, he's just swell!

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[quote=Luxorreb]Brunell played incredibly last season when he was healthy and his accuracy, running ability for making plays and field prowess are among the leagues best. Way smarter and field savvy than Brad Johnson and all the others.[/quote]

Did you watch the same games everyone else did?:nono:

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[QUOTE=FaithfulFan]Here'sthe real question:
Is he any better than JoeTheisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypein?
3 avergae qb's, one awesome coach, 3 Superbowl victories.[/QUOTE]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but among the QBs you mentioned, I would have to say Theismann is quite a bit higher than 'average'. Check out some stats on him here:

[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm[/url]

From 1978-1984, he was consistently ranking in the top ten for statistical categories for quarterbacks, with an effective scrambling threat to boot. In fact, he was the last scrambling QB Washington had before Brunell.

It's been such a long time since he's played, and many of the members here at the Warpath have never seen him play. Most people think of him now as an annoying broadcaster, they forget that he really was a great player.

Edit: When the history books are written, the three best quarterbacks Washington ever had will be Baugh, Jurgenson, and Theismann.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=Kevikazi]Brunell threw decent long balls last season, but Santana Moss had to wait for some of those passes. With all these speedy WRs we have now, I hope Brunell is able to get the ball to them on stride.[/quote]

Yes, he gets the ball out late on a lot of deep throws. This could be a factor of his age. With age you can get stronger, but you can't get quicker in terms of reflexes and your depth perception changes. So it may be that his arm is just as strong but he can't see the field & react in the quick fashion that he used to.
He's also much less likely to throw the ball into traffic or gamble than when he was young. Sometimes I think he was too conservative, but overall I'll give Brunelll his props & hope he can stay healthy. He deserves to end his career on a high note.

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I can't believe we are having this conversation again. How many times did we have it during last season, and how many this offseason. In my mind Brunell should have been in the pro bowl. Vick should not have been there. The guy is a quality QB who can win games. Its been unproven if he can win the big game. I think with the talent we have around him this season it will be less pressure on him to win the game and just be one of the pieces that wins the game.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=Beemnseven]I understand the point you're trying to make, but among the QBs you mentioned, I would have to say Theismann is quite a bit higher than 'average'. Check out some stats on him here:

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm[/URL]

From 1978-1984, he was consistently ranking in the top ten for statistical categories for quarterbacks, with an effective scrambling threat to boot. In fact, he was the last scrambling QB Washington had before Brunell.

It's been such a long time since he's played, and many of the members here at the Warpath have never seen him play. Most people think of him now as an annoying broadcaster, they forget that he really was a great player.

Edit: When the history books are written, the three best quarterbacks Washington ever had will be Baugh, Jurgenson, and Theismann.[/quote]

Definitely have to agree here. Theismann was much more than just an 'average' QB.

Re: Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

[quote=#56fanatic]I can't believe we are having this conversation again. How many times did we have it during last season, and how many this offseason. In my mind Brunell should have been in the pro bowl. Vick should not have been there. The guy is a quality QB who can win games. Its been unproven if he can win the big game. I think with the talent we have around him this season it will be less pressure on him to win the game and just be one of the pieces that wins the game.[/quote]Brunell not only outplayed Vick, but Delhomme also. He and Eli should have been at the pro bowl, not Vick and Delhomme.