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railcon56 10-09-2006 05:09 PM

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[quote=TAFKAS;226303]Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.[/quote]
Cause he has the most explosive receiver in NFL History ...Mr Moss

skinsguy 10-09-2006 08:39 PM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225881]I simply cannot understand how our offense looks so potent one week and so awful the next. It's not the quality of the opponents because we torched a great Jacksonville defense. It's not the location of the game, as the offense has looked good at home and away. I do not believe that Brunell is the main reason why our offense has looked inconsistent. True, Brunell has looked inconsistent, but so has the offensive line.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

The Giants' offense controlled time of possession and score more times than not on offense (albeit mostly field goals.) Anytime a team's offense can keep the ball the majority of the time, and put up points on most of those possession, they're usually going to win. It takes the other team out of their gameplan.

mike340 10-10-2006 10:36 AM

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It's so refreshing to see someone admit that they need to go to outside sources when they're looking for someone with more than two brain cells. ;-)

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;226100]Brunell doesn't scare any secondary, not even an inept Giants secondary that was close to league worst.

What does that tell anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together?[/QUOTE]

Southpaw 10-10-2006 11:06 AM

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[quote=TAFKAS;226303]Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.[/quote]

The difference is, Peyton was behind at the end of the game on Sunday, and marched down the field and threw the game winning touchdown. Tom Brady does the same thing all the time, with far worse receivers. Most quarterbacks would kill to have the weapons that Brunell has at his disposal, and yet, he can't manage more than 100 passing yards and three points.

mike340 10-10-2006 11:09 AM

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Let's see..
The Patriots have allowed 74 points, the Redskins 110.
And who's been on the Colts schedule?
@Giants (OK, not easy as we know)
Texans
Jaguars (21-14)
@Jets (31-28)
Titans (14-13)

Also interesting: the Pats have scored 108, we've scored 96, CP was (mostly) out for 2+ games (including some disappearance this week), and we're learning a new system.

As far as QB rating for the year,
P Manning: 95.6
Brunell: 90.1 (10th in the league)
Brady: 82.6

[QUOTE=Twilbert07;226308]Better yet, Brunell has three times as many losses this season as P. Manning and Brady combined.[/QUOTE]

mike340 10-10-2006 11:11 AM

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Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;226438]The Giants' offense controlled time of possession and score more times than not on offense (albeit mostly field goals.) Anytime a team's offense can keep the ball the majority of the time, and put up points on most of those possession, they're usually going to win. It takes the other team out of their gameplan.[/QUOTE]

Southpaw 10-10-2006 11:41 AM

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[quote=mike340;226667]Let's see..
The Patriots have allowed 74 points, the Redskins 110.
And who's been on the Colts schedule?
@Giants (OK, not easy as we know)
Texans
Jaguars (21-14)
@Jets (31-28)
Titans (14-13)

Also interesting: the Pats have scored 108, we've scored 96, CP was (mostly) out for 2+ games (including some disappearance this week), and we're learning a new system.

As far as QB rating for the year,
P Manning: 95.6
Brunell: 90.1 (10th in the league)
Brady: 82.6[/quote]

I guess you're missing my point. Here's some numbers.

Come from behind victories(after being down in the 4th quarter)

Peyton Manning - 26
Tom Brady - 21
Mark Brunell - 18

Mark Brunell has been in the league for five seasons more than Manning, and seven more than Brady. And to top it off, Brunell is statistically the [B]worst [/B]quarterback in the league at fourth quarter comebacks since 1996.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/3978/]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2005[/url]

Basically, if Washington is down in the fourth quarter, they'll lose 75% of the time with Brunell running the show. And his rating is a bit skewed from the Texans and Jags games. His rating for the three losses were 76.9, 59.8, and 68.2. So keep defending his horribly inconsistent performance. It must be because the hundred million dollar trio of receivers isn't getting open. Or maybe when Portis isn't having an all pro day, Brunell forgets how to stand in the pocket and complete a pass. Either way, Washington is staring 6-10 in the face if the quarterback play doesn't become more consistent.

illdefined 10-10-2006 12:53 PM

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;226686]Either way, Washington is staring 6-10 in the face if the quarterback play doesn't become more consistent.[/QUOTE]

i think Brunell is excruciatingly consistent. consistently conservative.

REMEMBER DALLAS LAST SEASON MARK. there's a time to open it up, and YES, it can be between the hashes especially in the 4th and you're behind.

skinnyfan 10-10-2006 12:57 PM

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Our defense is whats wrong with our offense. The giants closed the half with about a 4 minute drive, then opened the second half with about an 8+ minute drive. When our offense finally got the ball in the second half they moved it into field goal range where Hall promptly missed a 42 yarder.........ballgame! So to answer the question..........our defense can't get off the freakin field. And don't tell me about, they only gave up 1 td all day......give me a break. Oh that, and if Mark Brunell gets any pressure he crumbles into the fetal position.

That Guy 10-10-2006 04:04 PM

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[quote=skinnyfan;226703]Our defense is whats wrong with our offense.... our defense can't get off the freakin field.... that, and if Mark Brunell gets any pressure he crumbles into the fetal position.[/quote]

that's pretty much it. the playcalling didn't seem to work with the matchups (or it was just too predictable) as well.

Longtimefan 10-10-2006 06:06 PM

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We're not going to win many games where you only run forty plays. What else can we say about the offense for one sunday. I really don't think there's anything wrong with the offense, sunday we just got it handed to us and that's going to happen to you in this league when you don't come ready to play. It appeared as though everything was wrong because we didn't play well, and we can't get it back. Time to move on, and hope we have more positive things to say after we beat the Titans on sunday.

skinsguy 10-10-2006 07:40 PM

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[QUOTE=mike340;226668]Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

Longtimefan 10-10-2006 08:18 PM

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[QUOTE=mike340;226668]Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]


The ideal situation is to control the ball against every team you play, but unfortunately it's easier said than done. I can't remember the last time we were able to play a ball control game against the Giants.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR 10-10-2006 08:27 PM

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Keep trying to compare brunell to the elite qb if you want to. ask any gm in the league who would they rather have brunell or manning or either manning. The difference between brunell and manning if your behind in the fourth quarter you know you have a chance to win or going to win with manning. Trying to compare manning to brunell is like trying to compare a sports car to a tricycle. You can make any stat you want to go in your favor but come cone on do you really think brunell a top flite qb. He so inconsitant one week good two weeks bad. Manning throw the ball down field our great sideline qb throws it behind the line or scrimmage or to the sideline 7o percent of the time. Its so high school its sad. brunell will have great stats this week against one the worst time in football and everyone will go ape about saying he back it will be a mirage. What really sad or makes me p-ss off is he suppose to be this mobile qb but everytime he under pressure or he assumes he under pressure instead of like other pro qb who step into the pocket it, Brunell just keeps backing up and up and throw the ball away instead of giving his so called playmakers a chance like the other teams do. Look at bledsoe the statue of stiffness on sunday against the eagles he ran a few time and got killed getting that td iby diving and takiing it for the team when has brunell ever done that,he just keep backing up and up or throw it away instead of running maybe getting a yard or two and sliding and taking it for the team. Get a couple of yards then go out of bounds do something else beside throwing the damn ball out of bounds. And anyone who tries to compare manning and brunell or with brady or palmer is on crack. hail to the skins

MTK 10-10-2006 09:47 PM

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Paragraphs and capital letters are very underrated.


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