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Good post, Gmanc. I agree here. Clements isn't gonna fix it, and it feels like another quick fix, big splash move. We need D-line help, and we need to target guys like Marcus Washington--on the rise, but not there yet, etc. Of course, everyone is looking for those guys, but when we did that, it worked.

And we need to re-sign guys, not just to keep continuity, but to show the players we're for real when we say "core redskin." I think the loss of AP, Smoot, and Clark hurt the D and shook their faith in this "core player" idea. That didn't happen on the offensive side of the ball--wonder if Williams and co made those decisions, and Gibbs stayed out of the way there? Is there anyone we miss on offense? (More and more, I am growing skeptical of Williams--maybe this is just an easy way to avoid knocking on St. Joe, but whatever...)

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Stop with this rogers is gonna improve crap, I don't like the guys attitude, it's not a hardworking improvement type attitude, I bet we could get something good for him right now. He's the only guy on the team I truly dont like as a player and person.

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[quote=dall-assblows;249825]LB kawika mitchell.

espn said he is th best LB in FA this year and we need LB help.

have a look:
[URL="http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/kawika_mitchell/"]Kawika Mitchell, #50, Linebacker, Kansas City Chiefs[/URL][/quote]
he is so good that i have never heard of him

Re: Do We Have A Legit Shot At Nate Clements?
 

[quote=dall-assblows;249831]there defense isn't crappy. it's 13th. plus what the hell are you talking about? in case u haven't noticed, our defense is terrible. it can't hurt at all to give him a shot.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2006/regular?sort_col_1=4"]NFL.com - NFL Stats[/URL][/quote]

It can't hurt???? yes it can, free agency always hurts us, plus that defensive rating is inflated cause the chiefs probably lead the league in offensive possession time due to running larry so many times a game, giving the defense less time on the field to give up yards.

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The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of signing Clements. He's going to command a huge contract. He's also going to be 28; so he's got about 2 years before he starts declining.

Yeah we need help in the secondary, but I'm not going to give up on Rogers just yet and I'm praying that we can find a less expensive alternative on the market or in the draft.

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Yeah, I think our secondary needs should be adressed in the draft, with our second pick possibly. Our first pick should be a MLB, posluzsny, and our later picks should be DTs, while free agency should be used for a DE, but we need better talent evaluation for the DE position before we make a move on that. I just feel that quality DE's are so so hard to find in the draft, many of them are busts.

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I prefer us not think about FA's already. For much of this season we have critisized the FO for it's free agent aqusitions, and with the season just a little over half gone, we're back to the well again. When are we ever going to learn? It certainly wouldn't suprise me if Nate Clements is reading here, he can't wait for Snyder One to land so he can make his haul.

For once I want to see the FO go into the offseason with the mindset, we're going to seek players who will play to get paid, as opposed to those whom you have to pay to play. Our #1 priority should be to improve the D-line first, we have witnessed first hand for the last few years that it's our major weakness. I'm not a GM, or in any way a football expert, but if I were going to start building a team tomorrow, I would start with my offensive, and defensive lines. Every team I can think of that has ever been successful on a sustained basis had both. I repeat, the lines are the heart and soul of your football team, once in order, everything else will take shape.

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[quote=dmek25;249855]he is so good that i have never heard of him[/quote]

exactly! you dont need the big names like AA. do you remember when our defense was best? it was when we had no name players like a Antonio pierce and others. we just need some players with level heads and want to play football rather than count there money.

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[quote=Redskins_P;249835]I agree with GMANC. We should focus on the defensive line before we go out and get a brand new secondary. The defensive line is definitely our achilles. We can't stop the run, and there's no rush whatsoever.

I say we add another guy to compliment Griffin, and a legit pass rusher to replace Daniels/Wynn.[/quote]
I also agree , Clements will be of little help without a pass rush . We need two D-Lineman , one pass rusher and one big nasty mountian of a man who can stuff the run . This team needs to stop trading away all these damn draft picks ! At least if you lose a guy that you draft in a few years , you get compensation , when a F/A that you sign leaves or is cut , you end up with a hit on the cap . Not to mention you always have an older team. If Synder and Gibbs keep doing what they are doing , people around the league will be calling us the AZ . Cardinals of the east .

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[quote=budw38;249925]I also agree , Clements will be of little help without a pass rush . We need two D-Lineman , one pass rusher and one big nasty mountian of a man who can stuff the run . This team needs to stop trading away all these damn draft picks ! At least if you lose a guy that you draft in a few years , you get compensation , when a F/A that you sign leaves or is cut , you end up with a hit on the cap . Not to mention you always have an older team. If Synder and Gibbs keep doing what they are doing , people around the league will be calling us the AZ . Cardinals of the east .[/quote]
Amen! Rebuild the team from the interior lines first. We're getting killed in the trenches, especially on D. Griffin and Golston may be the only current D-linemen who are slam-dunks to return next year. Gibbs should look to draft DE since stud free agent DE's are far more expensive than DT's. Draft either Adams or Moses with the 1st round pick, and look for a run stuffing DT through free agency. Take care of the D-line first, and the entire D will improve (including Carlos Rogers).

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[quote=Gmanc711;249829]Just to touch on Sean Taylor real quick, the guy is going to hold out if we dont get him a new contract. If you ask me, he will probaboly do it after this offseason, as well he should. Taylor got some bad advice signing the rookie contract that he did, but when we are paying the guy on the bench to be the highest paid saftey of all time, and Taylor is on the feild making plays, he'll have a problem with it.

As far as Nate Clements, I dont want him. This is exactly what is wrong with this team, we label guys busts after 1 crappy year (imo, Rogers has work, but is solid), Springs is getting older, but he has another good 1-2 years left. Thats time to sign some young talent and try to develop them before we break the bank for someone.

Lastly, if we improve this god awful defensive line, then teams wont be able to run on us to open up the pass, we wont be giving QB's 30 seconds to throwt he football, and that will greatly help our secondary. Signing Deion Sanders in his prime wouldnt help our secondary right now. Every single CB in the league would have gotten beaten on that Galloway play last week. Yes Rogers has played poorly in some games, outside of Minnesota, I have a real hard time looking at him as the problem. I say stick with the secondary that we have, take a look at the linebackers, but fix the damn line. Period. If we fix the line, that makes our LB, and secondary problems better from the get go.[/quote]


I haven't been a member of this post long, but this is one of the best posts I've seen here. The problem is primarily with the front seven. The secondary has looked horrible b/c they are getting no help up front.

Throwing Rogers in the trashcan is bit impatient at this point. I think we've been spoiled by the CB talent that's been here in recent years. Give the guy some time and let him learn.

If we sign Clements its going to be for too much and the money can be better spent elsewhere. The skins need depth everywhere not just for game day, but during practice as well. If you practice against cream puffs all week, then guess how you're going to play on Sundays.

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You act like it's not a foregone conclusion. OF COURSE we're getting Nate Clements. Gas up the jet and make sure it's stocked with all the Diet Coke you can drink, the Danny's going to upstate New York!!

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Maybe they are trying to have great corners to make up for the lack of effectiveness of the D-line. I dunno, just a thought.

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ok sign him, so he can be a huge bust for us - we gotta work through the draft in my humble opinion.

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[quote=Crat92;250004]Maybe they are trying to have great corners to make up for the lack of effectiveness of the D-line. I dunno, just a thought.[/quote]

Or they could address the line through FA and the draft.

I would rather build up the line this year. We have tried fixing the D by signing and drafting corners and it hasn't worked this year.

If they used every draft pick the O and defensive lines by picking the best available, I would be thrilled.