Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

Even if we do the trade for the picks we'll get, what, two additional picks? Now, I've heard the argument that we need depth and we could use the additional picks, and we do. But we're going to go to camp with some players on the depth charts anyway.

My point is, it's a gamble either way. You could draft two guys that still end up not panning out or could be no better than the back-ups we currently have, and get a top tier defensive lineman.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

I'm not big on bly but he is as least as good as springs. and alot healthier. and it would be wonderful to recoup those picks. it would be alot better for the skins, and make draft day more interesting for me. i say just do it

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=dmek25;286320]I'm not big on bly but he is as least as good as springs. and alot healthier. and it would be wonderful to recoup those picks. it would be alot better for the skins, and make draft day more interesting for me. i say just do it[/quote]

The sad thing is that were trying to trade our first round pick for our old third round pick, now thats a pretty bad front office.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=celts32;286318]Assuming that's true then it's fair. So the trade would be:

#6 pick

for

1st
2nd
3rd
Bly

I can live with that, but I am still not thrilled about giving a 30 year old CB a huge signing bonus.[/quote]

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;286315]I would think either Alan Branch or Adrian Peterson, when the Browns signed Jamal Lewis it made every other pick in the top ten more valuable, much more valuable. I think there will be several teams looking to move into that 6th spot now, please stop dealing with Denver Joe Gibbs, you always give them the goods and they dont even have to take you to dinner.[/QUOTE] I doubt the broncos will deal away all those picks just to get a running back, especially when you consider the fact that Shannahan seems to think it's all about the system. I would think they'd be happier using their 2nd (assuming they don't trade it) on another RB, like Bush from Louisville or Pittman from Ohio State, rather than break the bank on Peterson.
Also, I'm not so sure that the Browns still won't take him. They only signed Lewis to a 1 year contract, so he's obviously not in their long term plans, and they don't seem to be in love with Droughns anymore.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

If we have Springs, Smoot, Taylor, Rogers, and where does BLY fit

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;286326]I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.[/QUOTE]

That's just it...we don't know when they didn't have the money until those guys are gone already. Why not just try and get through another year with Springs and then see where things stand next year. I don't think it will happen...but suppose Rogers develops into a capable #1 CB? Then they never needed Bly...but needed a 2nd or 3rd CB instead. Every penny spent on one player is one less penny for another. I just think Bly is on the wrong side of 30 to be getting a big bonus.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=DGreen28;286328]If we have Springs, Smoot, Taylor, Rogers, and where does BLY fit[/QUOTE]

We're not 100% sure Springs will be in that lineup. Plus, Taylor is a safety.

It's a question that needs to be asked though. Assuming Springs is no longer with us, of Bly, Smoot, and Rogers, who is the nickel?

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;286334]We're not 100% sure Springs will be in that lineup. Plus, Taylor is a safety.

It's a question that needs to be asked though. Assuming Springs is no longer with us, of Bly, Smoot, and Rogers, who is the nickel?[/QUOTE]

I believe Smoot was signed as the nickle but he could easily become #2 if Stonehands Rogers plays like he did last year...

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=celts32;286332]That's just it...we don't know when they didn't have the money until those guys are gone already. Why not just try and get through another year with Springs and then see where things stand next year. I don't think it will happen...but suppose Rogers develops into a capable #1 CB? Then they never needed Bly...but needed a 2nd or 3rd CB instead. Every penny spent on one player is one less penny for another. I just think Bly is on the wrong side of 30 to be getting a big bonus.[/QUOTE]

I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=Beemnseven;286334]We're not 100% sure Springs will be in that lineup. Plus, Taylor is a safety.

It's a question that needs to be asked though. Assuming Springs is no longer with us, of Bly, Smoot, and Rogers, who is the nickel?[/quote]

With the way GW rotates his corners I'm not sure there's any shame in being the 3rd CB. They see a ton of action.

Right now I think the 3rd is Smoot.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;286336]I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.[/QUOTE]

They have Springs cap number fit in for this year even without a restructuring...so they would not have to cut him at all. I prefer to do a straight draft pick trade with Denver for all 4 of their day 1 picks and try and make it through one more year with Springs. Maybe we can find a younger #1 CB to give big bonus money to next offseason.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=Beemnseven;286336]I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.[/quote]

Totally! To many unknown things have to go................just right for this to work out in it's present configuration:

Can Springs stay healthy for 16 games + ?
Is Carlos going to step up this season?
Can Fred be a starter if either of the other two don't fly?

This is not to mention the added problems if we don't dramatically improve D-line, and/or D-ends.

TO MUCH RISK......as is

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;286326]I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.[/QUOTE]

So then the question becomes is it more valuable to us to cut trade Springs or wait until June and cut him then

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=Hog1;286340]Totally! To many unknown things have to go................just right for this to work out in it's present configuration:

Can Springs stay healthy for 16 games + ?
Is Carlos going to step up this season?
Can Fred be a starter if either of the other two don't fly?

This is not to mention the added problems if we don't dramatically improve D-line, and/or D-ends.

TO MUCH RISK......as is[/QUOTE]

Everyone talks about Springs health on here and the reality is that last year was the only year that his health has caused us a problem. His 1st 2 years here he played 15 games each season. I don't think Springs or Bly are worth a big payday right now...Springs is already here and under contract.