Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;311754]first off, what exactly is the cost of running an insurance company? it only takes a handful of non trained professionals to deny a claim. managed health care was thought up by a group of insurance companies to control costs, and make sure the profit margin is at its greatest. there should be no way an insurance company can deny someone coverage on a claim that is needed. but it happens all the time. when these companies start dictating to the medical profession what they can do, and what they can charge, thats the problem. i am for national healthcare. it cant possibly be any worse then it is now, and it will be cheaper[/QUOTE]

Insurance companies pay out [B]BILLIONS [/B]of dollars a year in claims. THAT is the cost of doing business.

[QUOTE]managed health care was thought up by a group of insurance companies to control costs, and make sure the profit margin is at its greatest.[/QUOTE]

Umm yeah pretty much. They are public companies with share holders. That is why the company exists. Healthcare was becoming more expensive therefore hurting the bottom line. So insuarnce companies figured out how to still offer their services while also making the profits that they are supposed to make. You don't like it? Then go find another insurance company who isn't doing that. Can't find one? That ought to be a clue about what is going on here. If the profits were so "massive" then there would be companies running to get into the market to get a piece of the pie. That would in turn cause prices to drop. That isn't happening. I wonder why? Because insurance companies don't make "massive" profuts in the way that you mean. It is simple economics.

[QUOTE]there should be no way an insurance company can deny someone coverage on a claim that is needed.[/QUOTE]

Actually there should be. If their policy doesn't cover it. A lot of people bemoan the insuarnce companies for not paying out claims that they should pay out when in fact they are simply not paying out a claim that they shouldn't pay out. Very few insurance plans cover everything.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

I haven't been to a docor since 1992 so I can't comment on the health care system except to say that everyone seems to get it that wants it. The only way to reduce costs is for everyone to follow my example.

As for Moore, he is a pure charlatan. He pretends to speak truth to power but he gets all his laughs at the expense of working people. In addition, he his a morbidly obese alcoholic who has to have minders around at all times to prevent his drunken shenanigans from making the papers.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;311675]What's worse though... him or the sad state of our nation's health care?[/QUOTE]

The worst part is he never fixes ANYTHING. Points fingers with lies many times and Cashes In on the Victims.
That is why he sucks.

The messenger perverts and weakens the message to make himself gain.
Jerk.

peace

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

there should be legislation against the Drug Companies. hopefully his movie will expose their scam.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;311762]The worst part is he never fixes ANYTHING. Points fingers with lies many times and Cashes In on the Victims.
That is why he sucks.

The messenger perverts and weakens the message to make himself gain.
Jerk.

peace[/quote]

Who ever said it was his job to fix anything?

He's simply shining some light on things that are seriously F'd up, it's up to everyone to do something about it.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[quote=70Chip;311761]In addition, he his a morbidly obese alcoholic who has to have minders around at all times to prevent his drunken shenanigans from making the papers.[/quote]

Where is this coming from??

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;311770]Who ever said it was his job to fix anything?

He's simply shining some light on things that are seriously F'd up, it's up to everyone to do something about it.[/QUOTE]

He's Cashing in on other people's pain for his own gain and not really shineing a light.

Did you not know HMOs were F'ing all of us?
Did you not know Big CEOs were F'ing their companies?
Did you not know crazy people can legaly get guns in America?

He shed no light he filmed and cashed in on people's pain.

peace

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

I really want to see this movie about Moore

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Dissent]Manufacturing Dissent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

I have no problem with shedding light on things or exposing fraud what have you. But the way he does it, by selectiving choosing facts to strengthen his own viewpoints is pretty disgusting.

It's like if you took only the games at the Giants and at the Eagles and did a whole piece on how the Redskins were not able to score a TD in 2006. Sure that's true...for those two games. But it doesn't tell the whole story

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;311772]He's Cashing in on other people's pain for his own gain and not really shineing a light.

Did you not know HMOs were F'ing all of us?
Did you not know Big CEOs were F'ing their companies?
Did you not know crazy people can legaly get guns in America?

He shed no light he filmed and cashed in on people's pain.

peace[/quote]

Charities also "cash in" from his movies.

About 60% of the net profits from Fahrenheit 911 went to charity.

I disagree that he doesn't shine a light on anything. Sure people already know about these problems, but do most people understand the extent and depth of these issues?? Most people don't even read a newspaper every day let alone understand just how F'd up health care is.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;311782]Charities also "cash in" from his movies.

About 60% of the net profits from Fahrenheit 911 went to charity.

I disagree that he doesn't shine a light on anything. Sure people already know about these problems, but do most people understand the extent and depth of these issues?? Most people don't even read a newspaper every day let alone understand just how F'd up health care is.[/QUOTE]

Want to learn fact? Read.
Don't let someone like this "teach" you about issues.
If you need this guy to tell you your opinion or what to think or what is "right"...you need serious help.

Problem is folks listen to this jerk and take it as truth because he has a big budget.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;311784]Want to learn fact? Read.
Don't let someone like this "teach" you about issues.
If you need this guy to tell you your opinion or what to think or what is "right"...you need serious help.

Problem is folks listen to this jerk and take it as truth because he has a big budget.[/quote]

That's the problem, most people don't seek out the facts in regard to issues like this. I'm not saying people should take his word as fact, but if it helps make someone curious and seek out more information then mission accomplished.

I don't see any difference between what he does and the lies that are fed to us by our own government. In the end both sides are on the far extreme side of things.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;311787]That's the problem, most people don't seek out the facts in regard to issues like this. I'm not saying people should take his word as fact, but if it helps make someone curious and seek out more information then mission accomplished.

I don't see any difference between what he does and the lies that are fed to us by our own government. In the end both sides are on the far extreme side of things.[/QUOTE]

So I wouldn't go see a Government movie about what I am looking for as facts.
His movies are one sided propoganda to gain HIM cash only.

Watch them as such
peace

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

its up to the people to do something. the way that happens is thru the vote. the people have given us a democratic majority for the first time since 1992. Michael Moore's job is not to fix what is broken, its just him shedding light on our great nations biggest problems. his movies are the real issues, not Iraq and illegal aliens

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;311788]
His movies are one sided propoganda to gain HIM cash only.
[/quote]

If that was the case I doubt he'd give 60% to charity but whatever. Believe what you will.

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

Keep in mind the 60% that was given to charity was part of a negotiating tactic that Disney "forced" upon Miramax when they were arguing over distribution rights to the movie, to keep Miramax and Moore from really cashing in.

It wasn't some benevolent gesture by Moore

But you're right Matty, the idea is to use Moore's films to learn more about the issue at hand. Maybe you come out of it, after thoroughly researching through mediums other than Moore, that Moore is completely off-base in his assestment. But to Moore's credit, he at least gets you thinking