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Ban him for life, Commissioner. Vick has crossed a moral line that I don't think can be rehabilitated. Once you begin killing living things, you can't go back to the way you were before. The same goes for all murderers, rapists and child molesters. It takes a very evil mind to be able to do something like this and I don't believe you can return to your life before you crossed the line.

Let's not forget, from a league standpoint, there are several issues to deal with when thinking about Vick's future with the NFL. He's guilty of an illegal gambling ring aside from the dog killing.

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[quote=Mattyk72;341921]I guess you haven't heard what cats have been saying.[/quote]

But cats have no say in this discussion. At least not until someone finds a Cat to English translator. I'm sure they're all very supportive of Vick lol.

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;341918]peter king said last night at halftime of the ravens/giants game that vick would'nt be back in the NFL until 2010 at the earliest.i do'nt know if that's a penalty for the gambling or dog fighting together or not.anybody else here think he may go to canada if the falcons cut him?maybe not this season,but he still draws a lot of people so i would'nt be surprised if he did.as bad is this is,[B]it's nothing compared to the mess the NBA has on its hands because of the drty ref [/B]and the potential for a lot more worse than the 1st guy.from what i have read,organized crime may be involved big time with the dirty refs.[/quote]

You're actually saying that fixing a basketball game is worse than forcing dogs to fight and then torturing them and killing them? Wow.

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[quote=mooby;341924]But cats have no say in this discussion. At least not until someone finds a Cat to English translator. I'm sure they're all very supportive of Vick lol.[/quote]

Cats have been saying a lot lately about Vick.

You know, things like "meow, meow". I even heard one cat say "MEOW"!

Damn I'm really bored right now. :doh:

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[QUOTE=Buster;341926]You're actually saying that fixing a basketball game is worse than forcing dogs to fight and then torturing them and killing them? Wow.[/QUOTE]

From a sports perspective, no doubt is it worse. The ref put the whole league's integrity in jeopardy. Vick's actions reflect on him, not the entire NFL.

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[quote=mooby;341916]True but Vick doesn't have any support at all, the only people supporting him are the ones saying racism is playing a role in this. And those people are the very small minority, everybody else is still most likely sickened by what he did to those dogs and they probably won't forgive him anytime soon. I for one won't be forgiving him for a very long time, if at all.[/quote]

Trust me I am a dog lover. We have 3. I would never injure or otherwise put my dogs in a position to be hurt. ( For they are part of our family) I don't agree with what he has done nor do I think it is at all acceptable behavior. But people out there will forgive him. As a christian it is one our strongest beliefs. Anyway we will all have to take a wait and see approach as to what will happen to this man, his life and career. Hopefully he will learn something from this. And also by the way I don't feel this is in any way a race issue. I live here in SC now and a coupleof years ago they busted a huge dog fighting ring and the kennel owner was white. From what I hear Micheal Vick was on some of his books and may have been one of the contributing factors to Vicks dog fighting ring downfall.

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[quote=Paintrain;341929]From a sports perspective, no doubt is it worse. The ref put the whole league's integrity in jeopardy. Vick's actions reflect on him, not the entire NFL.[/quote]

BUT...

There is so much more involved in this case. We can't ignore or separate the moral issues from the sports issues here.

From a sports perspective, steroids in baseball are worse than that pro wrestler killing his family and himself. That's not a good way to look at things. Lives are always more important than sports, even if it's "just" the lives of animals.

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[quote=Mattyk72;341927]Cats have been saying a lot lately about Vick.

You know, things like "meow, meow". I even heard one cat say "MEOW"!

Damn I'm really bored right now. :doh:[/quote]

really? I heard one cat say "hiss" but then that cat was quickly dealt with by other cats.

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[quote=mooby;341939]really? I heard one cat say "hiss" but then that cat was quickly dealt with by other cats.[/quote]

Yeah I forgot about the dreaded 'Hiss'. You know they're really pissed when they're saying that.

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His career's over. Period. Say he were to sit out a year, and Goodell lost his senses and simply imposed a fine. What team would want that PR nightmare?

What a waste.

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[QUOTE=Buster;341931]BUT...

There is so much more involved in this case. We can't ignore or separate the moral issues from the sports issues here.

From a sports perspective, steroids in baseball are worse than that pro wrestler killing his family and himself. That's not a good way to look at things. Lives are always more important than sports, even if it's "just" the lives of animals.[/QUOTE]

Which is why I said 'from a sports perspective'.. Morality and sports don't really mix in my opnion. Athletes are entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. I don't look to anyone to be a better or worse person because they are athletically gifted. I don't see why there is always a moral compass that athletes are held to that is more or less than a construction worker.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;341879]I have a question. Does the NFL suspension begin when he gets out of jail?
I would assume so. Any info there guys?[/QUOTE]



It does not suprise me that Vick decided to plead guilty, I have felt all along that's what he would eventually do. However, he will in all likelyhood be sentenced to more than the one year, and any suspention he receives after he serves his prison sentence will have to be predicated on his signing with another team. He cannot begin a suspention until he's under contract with a team. Finding a team willing to sign him will be his biggest nightmare. I've said this before; I know of no convicted felons to play in the NFL, and if Vick is successful in doing so, he will be the first.

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[quote=Mattyk72;341927]Cats have been saying a lot lately about Vick.

You know, things like "meow, meow". I even heard one cat say "MEOW"!

Damn I'm really bored right now. :doh:[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Paintrain;341950]Which is why I said 'from a sports perspective'.. Morality and sports don't really mix in my opnion. Athletes are entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. I don't look to anyone to be a better or worse person because they are athletically gifted. [B]I don't see why there is always a moral compass that athletes are held to that is more or less than a construction worker[/B].[/QUOTE]

Because thousands of kids look up to them. They are all over the place, endorsements and what not. They are held to a higher standard morally because they are famous not because it's right.

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There was an article discussing if he would ever play again. Not many teams would ever like the publicity that a convicted felony dog fighter would bring. There would literally be protests in the city that would take him by PETA. Now I do think he will be back someday. Until then, f... people with mike vick on madden.