Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=warriorzpath;377271]I don't disagree that the defense didn't play well yesterday, but at some point, the offense needs to win the game without the luxury of the defense playing lights out. Even with the defense making several mistakes, they managed at least one big play (forced fumble) and kept the game within range.

Just look at the eyes of the offensive players at the end of the game - does that look like fire, hunger, and confidence in their eyes? The only player that may have that look is Portis right now.[/quote]A 5 point lead with 4 mins to go should hold if your defense is [B]any good [/B]whatsoever. One of the biggest advantages you have is that FG range is eliminated from the consideration. As they get closer to the end zone, it gets tougher and tougher to score.

You just have to HAVE to stop the big play. The game was calculated PERFECTLY until that point. GW made the wrong call, the players made a bad play and we lost, just like that.

The execution just has to be better.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;377274]A 5 point lead with 4 mins to go should hold if your defense is [B]any good [/B]whatsoever. One of the biggest advantages you have is that FG range is eliminated from the consideration. As they get closer to the end zone, it gets tougher and tougher to score.

You just have to HAVE to stop the big play. The game was calculated PERFECTLY until that point. GW made the wrong call, the players made a bad play and we lost, just like that.

The execution just has to be better.[/quote]

Like I said, of course the defense didn't play well. And I know there's no convincing you, but there has to be a point where the offense just wins the game when given the chance. You can't rely on the defense at the end of the game to hold the other team, especially the way they were playing yesterday.

I think the expectation for the offense to just score enough points to get by and let the defense win the game is bullshit. For all the yards and points the offense scored yesterday - it doesn't mean shit until it can actually win a damn game. The frustation comes from patiently waiting half of a season without seeing that.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

Of course the redskins are playing to win, but they just don't have (and I know it's an old cliche, but true) enough heart at the end, specifically the offense. An offense without heart at the end of a close game is a liability.

And I know I shouldn't be sticking up for a defense that allowed McNabb and Westbrook to burn them, but at least they made a big play(McNabb's fumble) near the end of the game and have been making big plays all season.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;377277]I think the expectation for the offense to just score enough points to get by and let the defense win the game is bullshit. For all the yards and points the offense scored yesterday - it doesn't mean shit until it can actually win a damn game. The frustation comes from patiently waiting half of a season without seeing that.[/QUOTE]

We scored 25 points yesterday. There are only 5 teams in the entire NFL who average more than that per game. If you can't win with 25 points, it's DEFINITELY the defense's fault. No question.

For the record, I voted Penalties. I disagree with other posters who said, "its part of the game." In my opinion, there is never an excuse for a penalty.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;377316]We scored 25 points yesterday. There are only 5 teams in the entire NFL who average more than that per game. If you can't win with 25 points, it's DEFINITELY the defense's fault. No question.

For the record, I voted Penalties. I disagree with other posters who said, "its part of the game." In my opinion, there is never an excuse for a penalty.[/quote]

It's so black and white with some of the fans. The defense have stepped up, made big plays, and won games this season- that's something I can't say about the offense. The offense have actually lost at least one game for the redskins. So the offense puts up so-so number of points, so what.. it's not the first team to 25 that wins the game.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

Two words here:

Time - - - Management


After wasting two timeouts to prevent delay of game penalties - - in THEIR OWN STADIUM - - the braintrust on the sidelines decided to spend the last timeout challenging a call that was so obviously not going to be overturned. Who was up in the booth looking at replays telling Joe Gibbs to toss that red flag on the field? Stevie Wonder?

All the options presented here contributed to this embarrassing - and unnecesssary - loss. But you have to add Time Management to the equation too.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

A lot of the big plays that the defense gave up were the penalties.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;377321]It's so black and white with some of the fans. The defense have stepped up, made big plays, and won games this season- that's something I can't say about the offense. The offense have actually lost at least one game for the redskins. So the offense puts up so-so number of points, so what.. it's not first to 25 that wins.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about yesterday -- not the other previous games we played. Yesterday's loss was totally on the defense.

You call 25 points, "so-so," but there are only 5 teams out of 32 who average more than that per game. That is 15% of the league. The Redskins have to produce more than 85% of the league on offensive in order to be better than "so-so"?

You're right, it's not first to 25 that wins. However, you are saying more points would win. So, is it first to 35 that wins? Bottomline: if you can't win with 25 points, your defense isn't doing it's job -- [B]for that game[/B]. Don't bring up the other games where the defense played well, in an effort to blame the offense for yesterday's loss.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

We lost to the Eagles simply because the coaches are so indecisive that it's pitiful, and not coming up with quick decisions gets transferred onto the playing field. I don't see a logical game plan after the first half of any game, and this has been going on for four years. Gibbs needs to be called on the carpet and held accountable. Gibbs is a nice guy, but he's not the same person who coached the Redskins to three Superbowl wins.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;377328]I'm talking about yesterday -- not the other previous games we played. Yesterday's loss was totally on the defense.

You call 25 points, "so-so," but there are only 5 teams out of 32 who average more than that per game. That is 15% of the league. The Redskins have to produce more than 85% of the league on offensive in order to be better than "so-so"?

You're right, it's not first to 25 that wins. However, you are saying more points would win. So, is it first to 35 that wins? Bottomline: if you can't win with 25 points, your defense isn't doing it's job -- [B]for that game[/B]. Don't bring up the other games where the defense played well, in an effort to blame the offense for yesterday's loss.[/quote]

Whatever, the offense doesn't play their plays in a vacuum - and the same for the defense. I don't want a math formula to figure out games. All I know was the offense had 2 chances at the end to win the game and didn't. There were already a few times this season that the defense stepped up - even in this game with the forced fumble. How do you throw a defense like that under the proverbial bus?

The expectations for the offense are so low and the defense too high. It's time for the offense to step up.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;377322]After wasting two timeouts to prevent delay of game penalties - - in THEIR OWN STADIUM - - the braintrust on the sidelines decided to spend the last timeout challenging a call that was so obviously not going to be overturned. Who was up in the booth looking at replays telling Joe Gibbs to toss that red flag on the field? Stevie Wonder?[/QUOTE]

I'm a staunch Gibbs supporter, but these clock management issues definitely need to get worked out. I was pounding my fist on the bar when we took our second timeout. Gibbs gets a pass for the challenge, but we seriously need to find a new guy up in the booth. We've got to have one of the worst success rates on challenges in the league.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;377341]Whatever, the offense doesn't play their plays in a vacuum - and the same for the defense. I don't want a math formula to figure out games. All I know was the offense had 2 chances at the end to win the game and didn't. There were already a few times this season that the defense stepped up - even in this game with the forced fumble. How do you throw a defense like that under the proverbial bus?

The expectations for the offense are so low and the defense too high. It's time for the offense to step up.[/QUOTE]

Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.

The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault. :doh:

Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.

The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;377345]Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.

The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault.

Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.

The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.[/quote]

What are you talking about - "the previous games don't matter". When you're taking into account the average points of the worst defense and the top 5 offensive average points per game. I can't argue with the performance of past redskins games this season, but you can argue with stats of games of other teams?

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;377349]What are you talking about - "the previous games don't matter". When you're taking into account the average points of the worst defense and the top 5 offensive average points per game. I can't argue with the performance of past redskins games this season, but you can argue with stats of games of other teams?[/QUOTE]

I am using the cumulative stats from previous games around the league as a way to measure the performance of the offense and defense yesterday. What are you using to measure their performance? You are just saying they should have scored more. Well, I guess that argument works every time.

I agree, we needed our offense to score when they had the chance. I'm not arguing that. However, if the defense did its job yesterday that would be a moot point. So, the defense didn't do its job and it's the offense's responsibility to bail them out. They didn't, and it's their fault we lost the game? Where's the logic?

Re: The main reason the Skins lost to the Eagles?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;377345]Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.

The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault. :doh:

Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.

The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.[/quote]

I think you lost me at "Hi". Are you a math major ?