no hall of fame game as i suspected. ill check about the cuts now. i was doing training camp that whole time.

damn, time limit expired to edit my post...

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Madden elegantly handles slight direction changes by 'leaning' the player in the direction, making it very smooth, but you couldn't change directions quick without spinning or juking and that isn't really cutting.

i've been hoping for years that Madden would finally get to this one of these years, even FEVER did it!!!

here's a TREAT for you running freaks...

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yea cuts are smooth, the player leans. It compensates for that with the juke button. Real players dont have a juke button,b ut this simulates a fast cut because it slows you down and you jump that direction, to try and avoid someone diving perhaps.
Either way its much mroe smooth the espn. I was so annoyed playing espn and you try to run at an angle and your player faces straigh left intially and you usually get it. It sucks in espn in my opinoin

Botton line, better than 2004? Best Madden to date?

ok....well as I said earlier I played teh panthers on all levels of the game. But only played a qtr of each game. Just tried the first half against carolina again in the presason, on all madden, and its definitly a ton harder and more realistic. All the things i used to do dont work anymore. you have to be set to throw with accuracy. You get picked off all the time if you throw to a guy in mulitple coverage. Its very real and very hard... time to decide if im better off doing a season on allpro to learn the new game a little more...

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Botton line, better than 2004? Best Madden to date?[/QUOTE]

definitly better than 2004 without a doubt. Theres no reason why it shouldnt be.

Some other small changes I noticed. In training camp, you have to press the catch button now in the receiving drill. The scramling qb drill is much easier, along with trench fight. those two drills were by far the hardest in 04. The other qb drill is much harder. I used to be able to get 7 point on it easily, its much tougher now becuase its more realitic. i cant throw off my back foot and expect it to go threw the hoop anymore.

I havent finished preseason but the position battles looks like a nice feature.

another small thing, they added player of teh game back. Somethign I always like but they took out of 04 for some reason. Its shown with the stats at the end of the game.

create a fan is kinda neat. nothing special. kidna like creating a sims character. You can put a hog nose on him! And i think it has to be a him. What are they trying to say about women and football?!?1 i guess at the games we dont need them to bring us a beer

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]yea cuts are smooth, the player leans. It compensates for that with the juke button. Real players dont have a juke button,b ut this simulates a fast cut because it slows you down and you jump that direction, to try and avoid someone diving perhaps.
Either way its much mroe smooth the espn. I was so annoyed playing espn and you try to run at an angle and your player faces straigh left intially and you usually get it. It sucks in espn in my opinoin[/QUOTE]

yeah Madden certainly handled slight direction changes way better by having leaning, but i'm wondering about major sudden changes...

say you're on a toss, but you see an open hole inside and nothing outside... in 2K5 now, if you're running sideways and press UP suddenly, the back DIGS in for a second, plants his foot (kickass animation) then starts to accelerate in that direction. its sick. and realistic, cuz it penalizes you with time. can't do that with a juke or spin, it's just moving the stick. before in Espn they would just rotate in place 90 degrees then go with no time penalty or animation, which totally sucked. my biggest beef with it.

but like you said, 2k5 still rotates on the majority of the regular turns, when they should lean in like Madden. try totally reversing field on a toss in '05, whats the back do?

SkinsnCanes, did you skip through a season to get to the offseason stuff yet? If so I'm wondering how the draft looks and works this year, also, how does the player morale stuff play in? Thanks

no im going to do a 'practice' season after the game to see how that stuff works. ill let you know.

ok i lied when i said they made trench fight easier. its still impossible. Im doing the practice mode of minicamp, when i just keep trying it. im on the second level, pro, and i cant get gold. ive been trying for like 15 minutes...and it only takes 9 seconds so ive tried it a few times

and my first attempt after typing that message i finally got gold!!! you guys are great, thanks for the help, lol

[QUOTE=illdefined]yeah Madden certainly handled slight direction changes way better by having leaning, but i'm wondering about major sudden changes...

say you're on a toss, but you see an open hole inside and nothing outside... in 2K5 now, if you're running sideways and press UP suddenly, the back DIGS in for a second, plants his foot (kickass animation) then starts to accelerate in that direction. its sick. and realistic, cuz it penalizes you with time. can't do that with a juke or spin, it's just moving the stick. before in Espn they would just rotate in place 90 degrees then go with no time penalty or animation, which totally sucked. my biggest beef with it.

but like you said, 2k5 still rotates on the majority of the regular turns, when they should lean in like Madden. try totally reversing field on a toss in '05, whats the back do?[/QUOTE]

ok, just spent five minutes doing the running drill just to anwser your question. And the anwser turned out to be pretty cool. if you immediatly push the control pad in teh opposite direction you are going you look like barry sanders. your legs start to slide in that direction, you slow down, adn have to reaccelerate. This is only if its an abrupt change in direction, otherwise you just drop your shoulder and turn that way.

What would be cool, is if you tried this in the snow and you slide and fell and were then tagged down. that woudl be awesome if they factored that in.

But it seems like madden has finally done somethign about this problem. its infinitly smoother and more life like then espn, i promise you that.