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[quote=djnemo65;412348]If it is true that fan reaction has given Snyder pause then that is just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. If you are going to buck all conventional wisdom because your gut tells you to go a certain direction - against the wishes of the fans - then have the courage and fortitude to stand by that decision. If you think Fassel is the guy hire him and then let us deal with it. Prove us wrong.

If this is true - and that's an uncomfirmed if - then I have less confidence in Snyder than ever.[/quote]

I agree here -- and believe it or not, that actually made me feel bad for The Fossil. I don't care for the guy and certainly don't want him to be our next coach, but my irritation has less to do with him and more to do with how Snyder's handling this whole thing. The way that's worded, I'd be pretty embarrassed if I was Jim Fassel.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;412295]Looks to me as if Gibbs is doing some dirty work for the Danny by calling coaches & trying to get them to chill.[/QUOTE]

Would love to hear how those conversations went.....

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Seems like there is a lot of fan dissension about the hiring of Fassel as coach. A lot of the network news stations are starting to broadcast the public outcry.

I saw the piece about the Warpath during NBC's 6 o'clock news, pretty cool. Maybe all this nasty whining is not as useless as one might think.

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The combination of the lack of good candidates out there and Snyder's indecision is making us look silly. Hey, let's get Fassel to interview twice despite knowing his hiring is totally contingent upon two assistants with extremely strong ties to each of their current teams, then pause and back off to wait for assistants on Super Bowl teams while possibly our best candidate and the rest of the current staff are totally up in the air about their future.

Not to mention a team that's been through a brutally tough physical and emotional season is left in limbo. An offense that has worked tirelessly through brutal injuiries to learn the "700 page playbook" and a D that has bonded and grown under GW in the face of the murder of the team's best player. Arguments can be made for both sides of this coaching search, but I think it's getting pretty shitty.

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This is just a cluster-fuck. All they had to do to maintain cohesion was hire GW as the head coach and keep the rest of the staff in place. Now they have fucked up cohesion, chemistry, and their hopes for a winning team in the future. Why in the hell are we still fans?

The fans want GW, so give the fans GW. When we are wrong, then hire elsewhere, but I believe that we have our fingers on the pulse better than anyone else.

Give us what we want until, what we want fails. I guarentee you that it won't.

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[quote=angryssg;412512]This is just a cluster-fuck. All they had to do to maintain cohesion was hire GW as the head coach and keep the rest of the staff in place. Now they have fucked up cohesion, chemistry, and their hopes for a winning team in the future. Why in the hell are we still fans?

The fans want GW, so give the fans GW. When we are wrong, then hire elsewhere, but I believe that we have our fingers on the pulse better than anyone else.

Give us what we want until, what we want fails. I guarentee you that it won't.[/quote]

LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;412544]LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.[/quote]

If not for GW we might not make the playoffs at all the last 4 years. Now you leave the guy hanging so he can't pursue any other jobs cause you want to chase around guys that are less qualified? You piss off the whole fan base, piss off the rest of the coaches cause their futures are in limbo, probably piss off the players who are behind GW. You get Joe to do your dirty work for you since you're too spineless to tell them what's going on. And for what??? To chase around guys like Jim Fassel, Josh McDaniels and the Giants DC? Josh McDaniles IS NOT ready to be a HC. The guys like 30 years old. And the Giants DC is in his first year there. Plus Snyder chases aroound other teams assistants w/out a HC in place? Sorry but that makes no sense. When has Jim Zorn called plays in the NFL? Sorry but we as fans that support the team have a right to be upset. We care about the players and most of the coaches. There was a real sense of family, continuity and trust that Joe had built. Especially after the ST incident. Now it's all ripped up and gone the minute the guy resigns. And I thought Snyder had turned the corner. It just shows that he still hasn't learned a damn thing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;412544]Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions. I[B] guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season[/B].[/QUOTE]I don't see the logic in saying something like that. Of course people would be pissed; they were pissed when Joe Gibbs had a 4 game losing streak, and they'll damn sure be pissed when anyone else has one. But how much more pissed will people be IF it's Fassel losing those games instead of Williams?
On the other hand IF Gregg Williams or whoever else is the coach goes undefeated the fans will be happy.
The point is, you could say "if this..." and "if that..." all day long and you'll always sound right.

The fact is right now, when Snyder and Vinny are close to making one of this team's most important decisions in years, the support is firmly in Gregg Williams' corner. It sounds like all the players, the vast majority of the fans, the analysts, many if not all of the current assistant coaches, and even many former players (Gary Clark was very supportive of Williams on Comcast this morning) feel that this team was finally headed in the right direction and that to completely change course now would be a very big mistake. So is it worth it for Snyder to say "No, F you all; this is my choice and I'm going with whoever I want"? Of course it's his decision to make and since he owns the team he can do whatever he wants, but does that make him right, right now?

Back to my point about what you said would happen if the team starts out 0-4 (hey, didn't Gibbs start out his first year 0-5?): Yes, we'd be mad, but none of us know how it will play out once the new season starts. If we did the game wouldn't be half as fun to watch. But I look at it like folding bad cards at the beginning of a hand of Texas hold'em. If the guy ahead of me goes all in, I fold a 2-7, and the flop comes out 2-2-2, I'd still say I made the right decision at the time. I'd be mad at my crappy luck but hopefully I'd be smart enough to realize that I can't see into the future.

And I just wasted about 20 minutes of my morning.

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I'm confused.

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[quote=Mattyk72;412544]LOL do the fans really know what they want?? I mean let's be serious. The fans change their opinions week to week, hell play to play sometimes. One week Jason Campbell is a hero, the next week people are saying Collins should be starting. One week Portis blows, the next week he's the man. If the fans got what they wanted, the team would be an absolute joke. Players would get cut on a weekly basis, and we would replace a kicker who was 29 of 35 this year because of one missed kick in the playoffs.

[B]Fans are too emotionally wrapped up in the team to make rational, meaningful decisions.[/B] I guarantee this love for Williams would die pretty damn quick if the team opened up the season 0-4 and went on to have a miserable season.[/quote]Has it occurred to anyone that The Danny is too much fan and too emotionally invested to make a rational decision? This coaching search reminds me of so many times in the past where The Danny pined for everyone else's high profile free agents, yet allowed some of our homegrown talent to walk (B. Mitch, Smoot, Pierce, etc.). Leaving Williams and Fassel hanging is no way to conduct a search. If he was serious about McDaniel and Spagnuolo, he should have put off interviewing others until the week of the Super Bowl. The current coaching staff is being left in limbo for close to a month. I wouldn't blame Williams if he eventually got the offer then told Danny to take his job and shove it.

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[quote=SouperMeister;412573]Has it occurred to anyone that The Danny is too much fan and too emotionally invested to make a rational decision? This coaching search reminds me of so many times in the past where The Danny pined for everyone else's high profile free agents, yet allowed some of our homegrown talent to walk (B. Mitch, Smoot, Pierce, etc.). [B]Leaving Williams and Fassel hanging is no way to conduct a search.[/B] If he was serious about McDaniel and Spagnuolo, he should have put off interviewing others until the week of the Super Bowl. The current coaching staff is being left in limbo for close to a month. I wouldn't blame Williams if he eventually got the offer then told Danny to take his job and shove it.[/quote]

How else can he go about it? He couldn't put off interviewing other candidates in the meantime because until just recently there were other HC openings around the league.

I see this as him conducting a thorough search of all possible candidates. Why hire someone now when someone like Spagnola or McDaniels are still possible candidates?

I know everyone wants to view this as a disaster, but if you look at the other side of it maybe he just wants to make the best possible decision and he's in no rush to do so. Perhaps his downfall is he's being too patient.

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Who says they're hanging?

That's the thing that really bugs me about all of this. People come on here and talk like they *know* every detail about what Dan Snyder is doing. None of us do. Anything we *think* we know is nothing more than our assumptions based on the latest rumor-of-the-minute.

I'm going to wait until a coach is named and the circumstances of the hire have been released until I form an opinion on all of this.

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[quote=cpayne5;412582]Who says they're hanging?

That's the thing that really bugs me about all of this. People come on here and talk like they *know* every detail about what Dan Snyder is doing. None of us do. Anything we *think* we know is nothing more than our assumptions based on the latest rumor-of-the-minute.

I'm going to wait until a coach is named and the circumstances of the hire have been released until I form an opinion on all of this.[/quote]

Yep, too many people are taking media speculation as fact and are automatically assuming the worst.

Maybe those like myself that aren't assuming the worst are dead wrong. I'll be the first to admit it if I am, but the reality is nobody really knows much at all right now.

I know some may see this as me saying that we can't have a negative opinion. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying let's try to maintain a level head and see how this plays out. Some of these chicken little responses are just totally ridiculous.

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I think Snyder actually does care what the fans think, but he shouldn't. I think, having grown up a fan himself, he thinks "Oh the fans will love it if I make this big move and we bring home a Super Bowl this year." But sometimes, you just have to accept that things take time. It's sort of like that saying "Buy a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life."

Snyder needs to remember he's more than just a fan now, and he needs to stop trying to make the impulsive moves to instantly gratifying his fan base. I believe that he is heading in that direction. Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.

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How much work really gets done during the month of January for a team not in the playoffs? Dont coachs and players usually get this time off anyways for a few weeks before draft prep (assuming you aretn teh scouting coach at the senior bowl). I dont think not having a coach for even a month translates to loses in September. Its not like its a QB holding out for money and not getting reps.