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NFL Therom of Deduction:

If a team just got one player worse then my team just got one player better.

Better for McNair anyway...he's going to be one of those guys who can't get out of bed in the morning. He's so banged up with back issues it doesn't bode well for his longterm health.

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Steve Mcnair was one of the better Qb's the past two decades. He helped make the Titans a decent team when he was with them. He should have retired after last season though. Injuries were a problem and the team(Ravens) is horrid now.

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There is only one, maybe two (Pat Ramsey) QB's who I have ever seen take a hit like McNair, and that is Terry Bradshaw. The only difference was that Bradshaw got back up and got hit again play after play and still managed to win a few SBs. McNair's problem was the getting back up part. Oh, and Ramsey just lacks the knowledge of football altogether.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;440587]There is only one, maybe two (Pat Ramsey) QB's who I have ever seen take a hit like McNair, and that is Terry Bradshaw. The only difference was that Bradshaw got back up and got hit again play after play and still managed to win a few SBs. McNair's problem was the getting back up part. [b]Oh, and Ramsey just lacks the knowledge of football altogether.[/b][/QUOTE]

And ability.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;440709]And ability.[/QUOTE]

Heart and and a big arm just doesnt do the trick anymore

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PFT.com source of article.

MCNAIR NOT A HALL OF FAMER
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 20, 2008, 8:45 p.m.

We already know that one recently retired quarterback from Mississippi, Brett Favre, will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2013. But what about the other recently retired quarterback from Mississippi, Steve McNair?

Three Hall of Fame voters were asked their opinions by ESPN.com, and all three said no.

“I think Steve was a real good QB but has no chance for the Hall,” one voter said.

Another voter said of McNair, “He’s borderline at best.” The third also plans to vote no but added, “I can’t say that I would never vote for McNair.’

To get into the Hall of Fame, a candidate needs to receive 80 percent of the vote. As Art Monk discovered this year, voters do sometimes change their minds, but all indications are that a lot of minds would have to change for McNair to get in.

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If you had asked me last year if McNair was a future Hall of Famer I would have probably said yes, but looking at his numbers it is tough to make a case for him. He's a guy whose perception around the league was greater than his numbers dictated, mostly because he was so tough, professional, and cool under pressure. Still one of my all time favorite guys though and if he ever did get in I wouldn't be mad at all. He was a few inches away from executing the greatest drive in Superbowl history.

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he would have been an excellent horseshoes player... you know, where almost counts.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;440302]Looking at his [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaSt00.htm?redir"]career numbers[/URL] I'll say he's definitely not a first ballot guy and might not even be a Hall of Famer at all.

He had a good career. Was he great though? Not so sure about that. He was a popular and well respected player though, that might help his case.[/QUOTE]

He's apart of the 30,000 passing yards and 3,500 rushing yard club..the other two frank T. and steve young also apart of the club and is in the hall of fame

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;441024]He's apart of the 30,000 passing yards and 3,500 rushing yard club..the other two frank T. and steve young also apart of the club and is in the hall of fame[/QUOTE]

That by no means makes him a hall of famer.
Seriously, take a gander at Brunell's stats vs McNairs. Amazingly similar. SO if McNair makes it, so should Brunell.

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This discussion right here is exactly why it is imperative for a player to go out on top of his game. Unless you were the absolute best at your position (Jerry Rice) then people are only going to remember the last two years. Both Mark Brunell and Steve McNair were highly thought of before their poor play in their later years changed many minds. It is arguable that they were great in their prime. Now they aren't even shadows of their former selves.

Another disappointing thing is that everybody wants to talk about stats keeping them out. I thought that we had learned that stats do not solely make you a Hall of Famer. Apparently, we have learned nothing from the whole Art Monk struggle. McNair is the best QB in Oilers/Titans history (Look it up). Yes, I am aware of Moon and that is my point. Moon is in, but McNair might not ever be.

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaSt00.htm?redir[/URL]

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00.htm[/URL]

I am refering more to the numbers for Houston/ Tenessee. Years are similar, yardage is similar, and TD's Favor Moon. It is compelling however to see that the passer rating, and TD/INT percentage are solely in McNair's favor.

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[QUOTE=Angry;441298]This discussion right here is exactly why it is imperative for a player to go out on top of his game. Unless you were the absolute best at your position (Jerry Rice) then people are only going to remember the last two years. Both Mark Brunell and Steve McNair were highly thought of before their poor play in their later years changed many minds. It is arguable that they were great in their prime. Now they aren't even shadows of their former selves.

Another disappointing thing is that everybody wants to talk about stats keeping them out. I thought that we had learned that stats do not solely make you a Hall of Famer. Apparently, we have learned nothing from the whole Art Monk struggle. McNair is the best QB in Oilers/Titans history (Look it up). Yes, I am aware of Moon and that is my point. Moon is in, but McNair might not ever be.

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaSt00.htm?redir[/URL]

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00.htm[/URL]

I am refering more to the numbers for Houston/ Tenessee. Years are similar, yardage is similar, and TD's Favor Moon. It is compelling however to see that the passer rating, and TD/INT percentage are solely in McNair's favor.[/QUOTE]

Usually you provide a good argument to your view, but to use Moon's Houston stats vs McNair's houston / tennesse stats is not good. You can't ignore the rest of moon's career.
Moon, 49,325 yards, 291 tds. Also, it was widely thought that Moon had to suffer through racial issues at the QB position, something McNair had no problems with.
McNair, 31,304 yards, 174 tds. Those are not HOF numbers...especially when you consider that McNair was only a top tier QB 1 time in 2003. Even compared to players of his own era, he doesn't rank up at the top. To me this is a no brainer no.
Also, I'm not saying that 1 issue should disqualify a person's character, but when you compare him to Monk, I think it should be known that McNair was a passenger in a DUI case. He was never tested, but there was plenty of thought that he was drunk as well:
[url=http://www.wbaltv.com/news/13291769/detail.html]Ravens McNair Arrested For DUI By Consent - Baltimore News Story - WBAL Baltimore[/url]
Monk never had those kinds of issues at all. He ALWAYS kept his nose clean.
Again, I am not saying this makes McNair of poor character, just that you can't exhault him to Monk like status.

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[quote=jsarno;441343]Usually you provide a good argument to your view, but to use Moon's Houston stats vs McNair's houston / tennesse stats is not good. You can't ignore the rest of moon's career.
Moon, 49,325 yards, 291 tds. Also, it was widely thought that Moon had to suffer through racial issues at the QB position, something McNair had no problems with.
McNair, 31,304 yards, 174 tds. Those are not HOF numbers...especially when you consider that McNair was only a top tier QB 1 time in 2003. Even compared to players of his own era, he doesn't rank up at the top. To me this is a no brainer no.
Also, I'm not saying that 1 issue should disqualify a person's character, but when you compare him to Monk, I think it should be known that McNair was a passenger in a DUI case. He was never tested, but there was plenty of thought that he was drunk as well:
[URL="http://www.wbaltv.com/news/13291769/detail.html"]Ravens McNair Arrested For DUI By Consent - Baltimore News Story - WBAL Baltimore[/URL]
Monk never had those kinds of issues at all. He ALWAYS kept his nose clean.
Again, I am not saying this makes McNair of poor character, just that you can't exhault him to Monk like status.[/quote]

Good point in the passenger DUI case regarding character. But I was also refering to the helps the team win category (game changer). Combined with statistics these areas makes up a Hall of fame resume.

I agree with the sentiment that McNair may not be a strong candidate for Canton. In my opinion though, if you can induct Moon for for ok stats and 2 great seasons, then you cannot discount McNair who had a similar resume. If I had it my way, then neither would be in. That is not the world that we live in though, so both of them should be in.

Just my opinion.

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JSARNO, I would also like to point out that the numbers are also a bit scewed in favor of Moon. He was in the run and shoot offense. He passed more, therefore throwing for more yards, touchdowns, and intercecptions. When you take that into consideration, then you are talking about essentially the same QB.

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[quote=Angry;441298]This discussion right here is exactly why it is imperative for a player to go out on top of his game. Unless you were the absolute best at your position (Jerry Rice) then people are only going to remember the last two years. Both Mark Brunell and Steve McNair were highly thought of before their poor play in their later years changed many minds. It is arguable that they were great in their prime. Now they aren't even shadows of their former selves.

Another disappointing thing is that everybody wants to talk about stats keeping them out. I thought that we had learned that stats do not solely make you a Hall of Famer. Apparently, we have learned nothing from the whole Art Monk struggle. McNair is the best QB in Oilers/Titans history (Look it up). Yes, I am aware of Moon and that is my point. Moon is in, but McNair might not ever be.

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaSt00.htm?redir[/URL]

[URL]http://http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00.htm[/URL]

I am refering more to the numbers for Houston/ Tenessee. Years are similar, yardage is similar, and TD's Favor Moon. It is compelling however to see that the passer rating, and TD/INT percentage are solely in McNair's favor.[/quote]There is a solid era discrepency between the two. I do think Moon was a fringe hall of famer, but McNair is no where near fringe. I'm not pissed that Moon is in--he was very deserving, but if McNair gets considered, then Matt Hasselbeck, Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Rich Gannon, Trent Green, and Mark Brunell all need to get similar consideration for the Hall. All have had dominant NFL seasons to date, and solid careers, which is the best we could say about McNair.