Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=skins28;509268]As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.[/quote]

JC will be successful when he gets time to make the throws he has to make.

I mean, you know you're in trouble when your head coach doesn't have any back up lineman on the bench! I mean, TWO!? THATS IT?! TWO LINEMAN? I've never heard of that crap before in my life! Not even Spurrier or Turner were that dumb!

Okay, so your stud left tackle goes down for the game so you get to have a back up center play left tackle now! OH SHIT! And he's blocking Terrell Suggs..........................Did you all see Campbell, once the ball was snapped, IMMEDIATELY start rolling out away from Terrell Suggs? He new he was hit before the play even started! He was just trying to buy a little more time, but to no avail...........Suggs is just to darn fast!

That play spelled, "Busted" in seventeen different languages! And that is not Campbell's fault!

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=skins28;509268]As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious.[B] 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, [/B]he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.[/quote]

Wow, that is a great example of false analogies:
[url=http://www.documentingexcellence.com/stat_tool/reasoning.htm]Reasoning, critical thinking[/url]
What does vital stats of smith vs moss, or westbrooke-CP (not even sure how that comparison makes any sense) have to do specifically with JC? Using the same exact comparisons, couldn't you easily argue that it is the coach/OC's responsibility to use his best players in the best way?

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

I created a monster :doh:

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=Angry;509260]If that is the case, then why isn't Bugel in Zorns ear a little bit? Or maybe he has been. IDK. It just seems silly to have an Oline coach of that cailber and have your QB getting killed game in and game out.[/quote]

Maybe Zorn needs to get into Bugel's ear a bit more and get this line blocking better.

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[quote=irish;509279]Maybe Zorn needs to get into Bugel's ear a bit more and get this line blocking better.[/quote]

One of the few times I agree with you...

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=skins28;509268]As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.[/quote]

I am not following your reasoning at all.

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Zorn was embarrased last night.

Answer: 3 minutes to go in the 1st Half

Question: First Blitz check down thrown by JC and Co. It took us almost a half to adjust to the overloaded blitz. Horrible.

Zorn seems a little over his head now.

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=skins28;509268]As I agree JZ needs to bare some of the blame I think that we need to really evaluate what we have at QB, I love JC but my love for him will not let me ignore the obvious. 1. Steve smith from carolina is 5-9 185 # , santana moss is 5-10 200# 2. Donovan Mcnabb only has westbrooke as a viable offensive threat , we have CP......common problem is JC, he is not a great QB he is just good he needs alot of good people around him to be successful.[/quote]

Don't forget about Andre the Giant who weighed over 500 pounds but ended up selling the title to Ted Dibiase in a shocking display of venality. Sure the Giant was good, but was he great? You make the call.

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[B]From JLC's recent blog entry:
[/B]
Beyond personnel, the decision to use Mike Sellers as the third-down pass protector over Portis, banged up or not, was stunning. Putting Justin Geigsinger at left tackle with no help from a tight end against Terrell Suggs was stupefying, even for one play. Not running more two tight-end sets with Geisinger and Stephon Heyer as your tackles was a major surprise. Not opting to go no-huddle in the third quarter, not rolling Jason Campbell out more, not going to the screen-pass game before the end of the first half was odd.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/monday_morning_h-back_7.html#more]Monday Morning H-Back - Redskins Insider[/url]

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;509297][B]From JLC's recent blog entry:[/B]

Beyond personnel, the decision to use Mike Sellers as the third-down pass protector over Portis, banged up or not, was stunning. Putting Justin Geigsinger at left tackle with no help from a tight end against Terrell Suggs was stupefying, even for one play. Not running more two tight-end sets with Geisinger and Stephon Heyer as your tackles was a major surprise. Not opting to go no-huddle in the third quarter, not rolling Jason Campbell out more, not going to the screen-pass game before the end of the first half was odd.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/monday_morning_h-back_7.html#more"]Monday Morning H-Back - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

I watched Geisinger go in and was wondering who would give him some help. I guess no one did. No RB or Cooley...no one. Unbelievable.

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I'm sure I'll catch some sh**, but JZ has got to be dangerously close to losing this team. Sorry for the cliche, but the offense looked like they'd rather be elsewhere last night. At least show some emotion or fight. I didn't see it.

It wasn't just me Madden kept eluding to it as well.

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=redsk1;509303]I'm sure I'll catch some sh**, but JZ has got to be dangerously close to losing this team. Sorry for the cliche, but the offense looked like they'd rather be elsewhere last night. At least show some emotion or fight. I didn't see it.

It wasn't just me Madden kept eluding to it as well.[/quote]

Yes, it would have been nice to have seen some emotion. Every time they showed Campbell, Zorn or Randle-El it looked like they were more concerned about staying warm than cheering on the defense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;509183]I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting [I]shut out![/I]

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.[/quote]

The screens are a total waste of time cause there are a million guys lurking around the line.

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The thing that concerns me with Zorn is we've now seen the Steelers, Cowboys, and Ravens come at us with very similar blitz schemes and each game it's like he's never seen this stuff before. How many more overload blitzes does he have to see before he adjusts to it??

Re: Zorn has to take some blame
 

[quote=Mattyk72;509207]Honestly I don't care what he says as long as he works on fixing the problems. People always get their panties in a wad over the pressers. People hated that Gibbs always took the blame and never threw players under the bus, now people want Zorn to take the blame, hilarious.[/quote]I want Zorn to take his share of blame when appropriate. Expecting Greisinger to pass protect against Terell Suggs with ZERO help is asinine. I don't want to hear about lack of execution on a play like that when it was clearly Zorn's decision to put us in a bad matchup.