Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=GMScud;522275][B]Gruden is also good with QBs[/B], but in that case I'd worry about the "too many cooks in the kitchen" cliche as far as Jason Campbell is concerned. Zorn has already started molding him.

Sherman Smith and Zorn are also very close friends. I don't see Smith getting fired. I have a feeling adding Gruden to our staff would complicate more than help.[/quote]

Which quarterbacks are you talking about?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

OK how many of you on the Gruden thread talked about how much he did with the lack of talent he had? If that was you then why would you want BA the man who was in charge of finding that lack of talent for the Buc's.?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

1. I always thought Gruden and Allen were really close but I've learned recently that they may not have been the case. They actually clashed a lot

2. This isn't the first time Bruce Allen has been rumored to be available and not the first time he's been rumored to be "coming home to the Redskins"

3. Just a couple of days ago, PFT was speculating Allen for NFLPA Executive Director. So what's next...Warpath Mod?

4. Bruce Allen's most obvious skill is his mastery of contracts and the salary cap...but we already have Eric Schaeffer for that

5. I increasingly get the feelings that, Allen or not, Scott Campbell is going to be a fall guy here even though they gave him more responsibilities last year

6. Bringing Allen in doesn't mean letting Cerrato go necessarily

7. Going back to point 5, plus Campbell's noted passion for college scouting and Allen's work with pro contracts, I suppose I could theoretically see a scenario where Campbell is Director of College Scouting (or whatever title you want to give him) and Allen is Director of Pro Personnel. But then what about Mo Brown? Does he jump over Campbell as Campbell did to Riddick and become Director of Player Personnel?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

So....first of all, this is a PFT Rumor....so I'm not going to get riled up about it until I hear it somewhere else (I checked ESPN rumors, and didn't see anything). I guess it'd make sense for Allen to come in as some sort of assistant to Vinny...unless Snyder wants Vinny to move on to other things right away.

Now Allen is no Pioli (although Patriots fans would tell you that Pioli did everything through Darth Hoody, so he's not that great), but I think a new voice in the front office would not be a bad thing.

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=44ever;522278]Way to stir the pot Skinny:)[/quote]

That's the least I can do.


I at least had the decency to head the title of thread "Rumor:". Although as far out in left field as this article is it should have been "Wildly Outrageous Rumor:"

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[quote=Skinny Tee;522289]That's the least I can do.


I at least had the decency to head the title of thread "Rumor:". Although as far out in left field as this article is it should have been "Wildly Outrageous Rumor:"[/quote]

Nah, "PFT Rumor" would have been sufficient...any Warpath member would know that it means "Wildly Outrageous" Rumor. LOL. :food-smil

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522285]1. I always thought Gruden and Allen were really close but I've learned recently that they may not have been the case. They actually clashed a lot

2. This isn't the first time Bruce Allen has been rumored to be available and not the first time he's been rumored to be "coming home to the Redskins"

3. [B]Just a couple of days ago, PFT was speculating Allen for NFLPA Executive Director.[/B] So what's next...Warpath Mod?

4. Bruce Allen's most obvious skill is his mastery of contracts and the salary cap...but we already have Eric Schaeffer for that

5. I increasingly get the feelings that, Allen or not, Scott Campbell is going to be a fall guy here even though they gave him more responsibilities last year

6. Bringing Allen in doesn't mean letting Cerrato go necessarily

7. Going back to point 5, plus Campbell's noted passion for college scouting and Allen's work with pro contracts, I suppose I could theoretically see a scenario where Campbell is Director of College Scouting (or whatever title you want to give him) and Allen is Director of Pro Personnel. But then what about Mo Brown? Does he jump over Campbell as Campbell did to Riddick and become Director of Player Personnel?[/quote]

An Allen running a union?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=redsk1;522248]That's great.

DS: Your hired.[/quote]

More like

DS: How's your raquetball game these days?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

to me this all comes down to the danny's growth as an owner & willingness to let go/admit mistakes. i.e.if Allen were hired & given the title 'GM' many people would say it's about time we got a GM.

However, if he doesn't have full authority over personel, which I question whether Vinny truly does, we've got the same issues.

Having said that, a hiring of Allen & letting go of Vinny might be a sign of major positive change by the Danny. But simply hiring another guy w/some name recognition does not convince me that true change is underway.

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;522260]Because he has [B]limited GM experience[/B] and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.[/quote]

really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7

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[quote=freddyg12;522302]really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7[/quote]

he was basically a cap manager in Oakland

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One thing that makes me salivate is a lot of the lineman he's drafted have turned into quality starters. Sears, Trueblood, and Joesph were all part of a line that helped Dunn (who's 34) and Grahm combine for over 1,200 yards with a 4.2 average. Zuttah also seems to have a bright future with the team. Aquib Talib turned out to be one of the better defensive rookies this year with 4 int's. Clayton was a one year wonder. Barrett Rudd was one hell of a pick and Alex Smith has been a nice role player for them. As for the rest well I'm willing to bet that a lot of them are cut but some of them might have a role that only Buc's fans really pay attention to. Sort of how like how we know about guys on our team like Lorenzo Alexander, Demetric Evans, and HB Blades.

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

If he signs for the vet min, sure.


J/k

Is it time for training camp yet?

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

Allen has the pedigree of his father and likes to draft for the trenches. He had good picks in Oakland and Tampa.

He would be a big improvement on Vinny Cerrato in terms of direction of our draft picks and quality of those he picks.

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=freddyg12;522302]really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7[/quote]

He was the GM in Tampa since 2004, that's it for his GM experience.

[quote][B]Allen worked with Gruden in Oakland and joined him in Tampa Bay in 2004.[/B] During his nine seasons with the Raiders, Allen, who has a strong background in salary cap management and contract negotiations, was named the league's executive of the year in 2002. Allen was actually a senior administrator with Oakland in 2002 when the Gruden-led Bucs defeated the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3208384]Bucs reward coach Gruden, GM Allen with extensions - NFL - ESPN[/url][/quote]