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I get the feeling that this is going to still be a real problem this year. Samules is at the point where he's probably not going to be able play 16 games anymore. And Thomas is coming off major surgery and is 33 or 34. And we all know RT is a mess. They can keep signing guys off the street but none of them are going to be effective and most probably won't even make the team. Why don't they re-sign Kendall for depth? I hope sure hope Rinehart is ready. I'm keeping my fingers crossed here...

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The most disappointing part of it all is Zorn's evident resignation to enter another season w/o upgrading the o-line. From the article it would appear the group will have regressed even further from it's awful state last year...

It almost requires a conspiracy theory IMHO to wrap one's head around the situation. Like Danny and the FO are so anti-JC they simply won't give him the opportunity to elevate his game. That's crazy, right? I don't know what the answer is, but I do know this kind of behavior causes me to question whether there's a real football mind anywhere in the FO.

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Well let's see how heyer and mike Williams do and hopefully we can't get levi jones when he gets cut by cincy

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[quote=The Goat;554202][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050103847.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

The most disappointing part of it all is Zorn's evident resignation to enter another season w/o upgrading the o-line. From the article it would appear the group will have regressed even further from it's awful state last year...

It almost requires a conspiracy theory IMHO to wrap one's head around the situation. Like Danny and the FO are so anti-JC they simply won't give him the opportunity to elevate his game. That's crazy, right? I don't know what the answer is, but I do know this kind of behavior causes me to question whether there's a real football mind anywhere in the FO.[/quote]

Dude, be careful with calling out the front office like that. 'Son of Man' will come out and label you as a hater!!

All kidding aside, I completely agree with you.

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I hope we get an additional starter somewhere along the line, but before we go breaking out lifeboats, can we remember that we have some young talent who are being called upon to step up. For all those who wrung their hands at us not taking Meredith or another OT in the later rounds, do we really expect that they would come in and suddenly be the answer. I don't. I think they will need a year or two under their belt before they reach that point. That by the way is what Rinehart, Clark, and Heyer now have. So why shouldn't we be counting on them to be " the guys", at the least for the back up positions.

I would also remind you that Kendall came from the Jets in July/August time frame. So that year we would not have had him in mini camp either.

Finally, if our line absolutely needs better talent, than that is on Bugel and Zorn to make their case to the FO, comments from Buges that Rabach is the best Center, are going to lessen the OL need in the eyes of the FO, not heighten it.

For those who preach that Snyder needs to get out of the way of his football people, you should joyful that we did not get OL in the draft, because according to the coaches we have got good talented youth. Unless you don't trust our "football people" either.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;554211]I hope we get an additional starter somewhere along the line, but before we go breaking out lifeboats, can we remember that we have some young talent who are being called upon to step up. For all those who wrung their hands at us not taking Meredith or another OT in the later rounds, do we really expect that they would come in and suddenly be the answer. I don't. I think they will need a year or two under their belt before they reach that point. That by the way is what Rinehart, Clark, and Heyer now have. So why shouldn't we be counting on them to be " the guys", at the least for the back up positions.

I would also remind you that Kendall came from the Jets in July/August time frame. So that year we would not have had him in mini camp either.

Finally, if our line absolutely needs better talent, than that is on Bugel and Zorn to make their case to the FO, comments from Buges that Rabach is the best Center, are going to lessen the OL need in the eyes of the FO, not heighten it.

For those who preach that Snyder needs to get out of the way of his football people, you should joyful that we did not get OL in the draft, because according to the coaches we have got good talented youth. Unless you don't trust our "football people" either.[/quote]

I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

Its not always the X's and O's, but the Jimmy's and Joe's. The line is not exactly full of all pro's or under achievers. They are undersized and under skilled.

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

[B]Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys[/B]? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

I was wondering about this myself. Wasn't Buges singing praises of Rabach during an interview not that long ago? I'm wondering if he's telling the FO that his line is ok. Otherwise maybe we would have taken Oher at #13.

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[quote=Ruhskins;554272]I was wondering about this myself. Wasn't Buges singing praises of Rabach during an interview not that long ago? I'm wondering if he's telling the FO that his line is ok. Otherwise maybe we would have taken Oher at #13.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703410.html]Redskins Insider: Offseason Moves About to Start - washingtonpost.com[/url]

In this article that was published at the end of last season says that during a season ending meeting Buges was brutally honest about his O-line collapse.

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

I don't think any of this is very far off the mark...but i also think the FO must be complicit somehow to continually put off serious new investment into the o-line. Dock was a gift...he's not gonna fix anything to his right though.

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Buges is loyal but not too a fault IMO. I think he's well aware of what he's dealing with and the reality of the situation. You don't become such a good coach by being blind.

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[quote=WaldSkins;554281][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703410.html]Redskins Insider: Offseason Moves About to Start - washingtonpost.com[/url]

In this article that was published at the end of last season says that during a season ending meeting Buges was brutally honest about his O-line collapse.[/quote]

It also says Buges has been privately criticized by some in the organization for being too loyal to veterans in the past. I could see how this could happen with Buges being so close to his guys and the personal tragedy he went through last year. These guys are like a family to him and like a team within a team. Sometimes when you become too close to a situation things have to be made obvious before you see them. Having said that, Buges is a great coach and if he has made mistakes I feel confident he'll correct them. He's loyal, but he's not stupid.

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Bengals released LT Levi Jones. [url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx]Fantasy Football, Baseball and Basketball - news, projections, rankings, draft guide - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Jones is only 29, but probably has the body of a guy in his mid-30s. Back, hamstring, and knee issues cost him 17 of the Bengals' last 48 games. His latest injury is to his leg, where heavy scar tissue buildup caused the appendage to go numb. Jones had surgery this winter and is out until June. He's mentioned Arizona as a possible fit, but needs to get healthy first. Any Takers?????

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;555331]Bengals released LT Levi Jones. [url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx]Fantasy Football, Baseball and Basketball - news, projections, rankings, draft guide - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Jones is only 29, but probably has the body of a guy in his mid-30s. Back, hamstring, and knee issues cost him 17 of the Bengals' last 48 games. His latest injury is to his leg, where heavy scar tissue buildup caused the appendage to go numb. Jones had surgery this winter and is out until June. He's mentioned Arizona as a possible fit, but needs to get healthy first. Any Takers?????[/quote]

As long as he doesn't demand huge $$$, yes, bring him in.

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I was just checking out the [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp"]Redskins[/URL] website and saw an interview (5/7) with Mike Williams. The guy is down to like 392 lbs., I think that's amazing considering that a few months ago he was pushing 450. Good for him, I hope things work out for him.