Re: Raiders Want Their Money Back from Russell
 

[quote=irish;703830]If your sources knew that then the Raiders definitely did yet they signed him anyway so they deserved what they got.[/quote]

I agree. While JR was a bust, it was a contract and they both agreed to it. Russell was willing to fulfill his end and be their QB (although not a good one). The Raiders need to honor their end of the deal.

I also think the problem with NFL contracts is they are never what they appear to be. If a player isn't performing, the team can cut him and not pay the future years. Then, if a player out performs his contract and holds out for more money, all you hear is how he signed the contract and should honor it.

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[SIZE=5][B]Good luck, Oakland. Your money has already been digested. [/B][/SIZE]

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[quote=Buster;703888][SIZE=5][B]Good luck, Oakland. Your money has already been digested. [/B][/SIZE][/quote]



Amen to this. From the looks of his physique, it appears that the digestive processes acted on lots of Twinkies and bacon cheeseburgers...

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That's nature of guaranteed money, it's GUARANTEED. JR was a bust no doubt but he received a deal consistent with what other firsts had received previously and the normal year to year contract increases. I don't know about a rookie cap coming from all this but at least make rookie contracts 3 years from now on. Then teams won't get hemmed up with huge salaries for guys that are not playing well enough to justify those salaries. At least then a team can pay on the scale that exists now but they don't have to make such a huge future investment in the player that has the potential to set them back for multiple seasons. This also presents an argument for teams to lobby for eliminating the dead cap space designation for players who change teams while under contract or leave football with accelerated bonus money still on the books. That money should be able to move to a franchise expense category that does not count against the cap.

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Perfect scenario for Russell: Getting signed as a backup lineman project. He's mobile enough to be a pulling guard, plus he will not only be allowed to eat as much as he wants, it will be encouraged. 330 pounds...no big deal.

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Yeah it'd be perfect if all it took to play offensive line was to be big. He couldn't get motivated to play QB in front of a rabid NFL fan base for millions of dollars, something tells me being a backup interior lineman for close to vet min won't change that.

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Honestly WHO Gives a DAMN?

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Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field. Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.

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[quote=JLee9718;703961]Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field. Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.[/quote]

Maybe the first time he left because of imminent talent deficit but the second time I really think pulling that team through the Sean Taylor tragedy took a lot out of him on personal level. Sean was his first pick with the team for his second go round, Gibbs tried so hard to help Sean turn things around in his life, and see all that work end the way that it did I think coming back for another year would have been too much, I mean to see a career and a life end like that when so much progress had been made has to be disheartening and then to be the guy that a team looks to for guidance after the situation that took a toll....off topic I know but I don't fault Gibbs for leaving the second time and I think he earned his money.

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[quote=redskins121684;703981]Maybe the first time he left because of imminent talent deficit but the second time I really think pulling that team through the Sean Taylor tragedy took a lot out of him on personal level. Sean was his first pick with the team for his second go round, Gibbs tried so hard to help Sean turn things around in his life, and see all that work end the way that it did I think coming back for another year would have been too much, I mean to see a career and a life end like that when so much progress had been made has to be disheartening and then to be the guy that a team looks to for guidance after the situation that took a toll....off topic I know but I don't fault Gibbs for leaving the second time and I think he earned his money.[/quote]

Well put I agree 100% I thought that was A Miracle finish to a season.

Re: Raiders Want Their Money Back from Russell
 

[quote=Leader In Sports;703867]I agree. While JR was a bust, it was a contract and they both agreed to it. Russell was willing to fulfill his end and be their QB (although not a good one). The Raiders need to honor their end of the deal.

I also think the problem with NFL contracts is they are never what they appear to be. If a player isn't performing, the team can cut him and not pay the future years. [B]Then, if a player out performs his contract and holds out for more money, all you hear is how he signed the contract and should honor it.[/quote][/B]

I hate that, look at Chris Johnson he needs to get paid somehow incentive based or something but Tenn. are a bunch of tight asses.

I hope JaMarcus doesnt have to pay shit back.

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[quote=redskins121684;703981]Maybe the first time he left because of imminent talent deficit but the second time I really think pulling that team through the Sean Taylor tragedy took a lot out of him on personal level. Sean was his first pick with the team for his second go round, Gibbs tried so hard to help Sean turn things around in his life, and see all that work end the way that it did I think coming back for another year would have been too much, I mean to see a career and a life end like that when so much progress had been made has to be disheartening and then to be the guy that a team looks to for guidance after the situation that took a toll....off topic I know but I don't fault Gibbs for leaving the second time and I think he earned his money.[/quote]

I agree. Joe Gibbs doesn't need to pay back anything. He earned every cent he ever made with the Redskins. The man wasn't perfect but he was the best thing this franchise ever had.

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[quote=JLee9718;703961]Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field.[B] Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left[/B] (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.[/quote]

Are you a Skins fan?

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[quote=53Fan;703762]Doesn't Davis still owe Shanahan money?[/quote]

Yeah, although Probably too late to sue. I can't believe he didn't even try to get that money. I saw that on the nfl.com "In His Own Words" video (which was great btw.)
For those that don't know, Davis told Shanahan that when he left he could go anywhere but to Denver and he'd still pay him the money he owed him.

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maybe shanahan saw it as monkey's paw money